How do you obtain Salvation?

[%75life4Him]

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Just an afterthought ---

If Christians believe that Jesus is God, while Muslims do not believe it .... are we really talking of the same God?

Christians will be talking of salvation from the perspective of Jesus.
Muslims will be talking from the perspective of Allah.

If not, then there is really no ground for discussion since we are referring to different entities.


just my POV. will be my last post here.

Exactly, your point is what Noy should understand bai. The problem is that the muslim insist that the Jesus in the bible was never crucified and that apostle Paul was the culprit of erroneous christian faith and that how the bible says the story of our faith was tampered. They even have misconception about the christian trinity, they thought christian worships 3 gods namely God, Jesus and Mary. This is a clear ignorance on their part.

The 2nd problem here is that noy sided the muslim faith by compromising doctrines for the sake of unity.

[noy]

Exactly, your point is what Noy should understand bai. The problem is that the muslim insist that the Jesus in the bible was never crucified and that apostle Paul was the culprit of erroneous christian faith and that how the bible says the story of our faith was tampered. They even have misconception about the christian trinity, they thought christian worships 3 gods namely God, Jesus and Mary. This is a clear ignorance on their part.

The 2nd problem here is that noy sided the muslim faith by compromising doctrines for the sake of unity.

actually bai, its you who do not understand. i NEVER said that the views of MUSLIM and CHRISTIANS about JESUS are the same
what i said was Allah and Father God, the first person of the Trinity are the same..basing from Abrahamic religions..GETS?
i paste daw diri beh kung asa ko ning ingun nga prehas ra ang Jesus sa Islam ug atoa...kung wa kay mapaste, paila lang kas imung pagka sus! ambut na lng..Lol
ay pataka ug yaw2x diha! ikaw kuno muy basa ug tarong sa akong mga gipang post, READ between the LINES
SWETO ra kaayo ka!

[SioDenz]

Ang ending, tanan tawo naa diri sa Thread adtu sa Impyerno padulong tanan

Maypa mamutar tag tarong ani para MALUWAS atung nasud sa kalisud.

[noy]

Kasabot ko sa ato gihisgutan. Naa nasad ka anang libog libog nimo ha. Balika nalang basa ang thrending sa mga post para makasabot ka sa Bai noy.

Ang God sa mga Christians mao si Jesus who died and was resurrected. The Jesus of the muslims is just a man who never died and was just raptured. How come nga pareho silang duha? Di kay abe kay pereho silang Jesus usa ra na sila ka tawo.

ikaw maoy wa kasabut bai, again I was NOT referring to Practices, Views on Jesus of the Islamic Faith when i said prehas ra tag Ginoo sa ilaha which is si Allah ug atoang Father God basing from Abrahamic religions ..
mao ning ingun i don't see any connection sa imung gi comment nga they don't believe that Jesus was crucified..etc...
AGAIN for the Nth time NOT TALKING about Islamic views on Jesus,practices etc when i said Allah and Christian God which is Father God(first person in the Trinity) kay prehas ra...
obviously mao bitaw di sila mutoo ni Jesus as God because they rejected the TRINITY but that is NOT the point i am trying to raise, ni inngun ba gud ko nga si Jesus ug si Allah prehas ra? i paste daw beh...sus!

well kung ang concept sa Trinity atong basehan since Jesus and the Father are 1,prehas ra....
PERO specifically si Father God akong pasabut in comparison with Allah.
...sweto ra kaayo ka! again...IKAW maoy wa kasabut!

Unsa may imo ebendisyon nako kung naa koy ikapakita nimong bersikulo nga pwedi maka judge and usa ka Kristohanon? Hagit ni nako nimo para di na nimo balikbalikon kay kalatawan Bai noy.

And who said its about moral judgement? Kung bendisyonan ko nimo nga magkita sa gawas tagaan takag verse.

tan.awa ra jud pagkatoy2x nimu...HAGIT? hoy! discussion ni di ni pa maayohayng laki..bai wa koy panahon anang kita2x tawn sa gawas oi!
ibutang na imung verse diri.

when i mentioned about moral judgement, it was actually to clarify if mao ba imung pasabut when you said maka judge ang mga Kristohanon...

Dont you think this is not passing judgement? Ga judge man gani ka kung unsay ako disposition di na noun ko pwedi mu judge what I consider to be true according to the bible. Kung masukanun pa lang unta ko, dugay ra unta ko nasuko nimo kay gipabalik balik ko nimo atong niaage sa ako mga tubag. Tarunga na imo salabutan noy. Pintok lang jud ko manurya basta kinahanglan sa mga tawo pareho nimo.

pareho nako nga unsa? kay nganu wa ka ma highblood? basing sa imung mga comment bai...HIGHBLOOD ka do! or kung ing ana lang jud ka muistorya
it means you don't have freakin manners! you call yourself a Chrisitan?
ultimo respeto diri sa forum di nimu mabuhat2x...SWETO pa jud kaayo kang dako!

Havent you read I am a son of a wahabis muslim? I have been asking you before to expound whatever verses you quoted from the bible as a test if you really understand the bible and you cannot even say a simple explaination. Why dont you just back off nalang Bai and learn from both of us. Wa man ganey nanghilabot natng duha atong kita muy nag discussion. if you really want to discuss something with me, you can envite me outside for man to man discussion.

Remember, ikaw baya ni arang natong duha sa atong discussion about the topic of salvation so please ayaw sge pangbutt in.

What a joke, you join into this discussion without a sufficient knowledge of the topic? I am sorry, if this is too harsh for you Noy. But if this the only way so I can get into your nerve para dili ka magpasagad. Favor ra ba kaayo sa islam imo post abi nakog kana imo post tigpatunga.

That is because they are still human being and it is nature to man to know what is right and what is wrong untaught. Boot nako ipasabot. Kabalo silang naay sayop pero wala lang nila ginbuhat. Daghan naman ganey run mga muslim nga wa na gapractice run ug polygamy because they know its wrong.

Di man gani ka ka expound ug usa man lang ka verse atong ato discussion ako pay imo gihagit.

bai, basaha nang imung gi reply sa ako, do you think reply na sa usa ka muhigugmaong Christian? cge pa jud kag balik2x nga ni undang ko sa atong discussion bahin sa purgatory ug indulgence
NATURAL! we have different views..gi respeto nako imung views bahin Salvation, purgatory and indulgence...unsa pa may atong istoryahan
mao bitaw ni ingun ko nga the most Chrsitian thing to do is to agree to disagree..GETS nimu bai?

di ko prehas nimu nga ipamugos ug unsay imuha...ug di ko prehas nimu murag kahibaw sa kinatibuk.an sa tanan-tanan
unsa ka Ginoo?

tigpatunga? di ko mediator diri ninyo oi!
i am not taking sides either ! i firmly believe in the Christian Faith to the point that i do not need to argue with those
who do not share the same Faith. but would rather respect thier views.

The bible says "do not be equally yoke with the unbelievers". See unity is not the solution so God would fulfill His purpose.

Did i say that for the sake of unity i will renounce my Christian faith?
you assume too much...again, sweto ra kaayo ka!
my ONLY point here is RESPECT for the DIFFERENCES...
if Muslims say they will be saved through whatever means of salvation they believe...LET THEM BE!

Unta bai noy, ang ato discussion maoy ato tagaan ug tagad. Di lang unta ta maghilabot sa discussion sa uban para dili ba malawgaw. Binastos mana. Lawgawa sad nimo oi.

This is a FORUM! a general discussion where everyone in the FORUM can post, comment, react etc...
this is not an EXCLUSIVE debate where only 2 individuals can deliver lines...KASABUT naka nganu naay mu comment sa imung post maski lahi imung kaistorya?
ITS NOT binastos bai, IT IS the nature in these type of discussions.

speaking of binastos..basaha na imung mga earlier comments sa akong mga post ug imung mga post towards sa muslim nga forumer...
MAO TOY BINASTOS!

[LaBelleza]

@Labelleza:

Does birth from Muslim parents should FORCE you to become a Muslim?

Say a person was born to Muslim parents but is a total douchebag and does wrong things intentionally. They have made that choice to not practice Islam.

Muslim means "to do Islam". It's an Islamic belief that when a child is born (whatever religion the parents are) he/she is Muslim because Muslim means "one who submits to the One and True Creator". When we're old enough to distinguish between right/wrong and good/evil then that's what determines what makes us Muslims. Children of Muslim parents are learning to do Islam. Muslims are those that do what God has commanded and stay away from doing evil. When someone does something against the law of God, they're not being Muslim.

[LaBelleza]

OT: @%75life4Him

Muslims who prefer the one wife one husband arrangement made it their choice. They don't believe it's wrong because they know that Allah swt has allowed it in the Quran. A man and woman can establish that before getting married. For some people it works. No problems there. There are couples who do choose the multiple wives simply for the love of Allah and for a woman's protection and for her to be supported financially. It's a HUGE responsibility for a man to look after more than one wife. Some men can't even look after themselves let alone a wife or 2 or more. On the Day of Judgement a man will be questioned for every single thing concerning the happiness of his wives. With this is mind, he will have to consider his choices really carefully.

Also I must have missed the "Wahabi Muslim" part. Now I know why you don't know the real Islam. Islamophobes has got us divided into all these made up sects. You're either Muslim or not!

[SioDenz]

Say a person was born to Muslim parents but is a total douchebag and does wrong things intentionally. They have made that choice to not practice Islam.

Muslim means "to do Islam". It's an Islamic belief that when a child is born (whatever religion the parents are) he/she is Muslim because Muslim means "one who submits to the One and True Creator". When we're old enough to distinguish between right/wrong and good/evil then that's what determines what makes us Muslims. Children of Muslim parents are learning to do Islam. Muslims are those that do what God has commanded and stay away from doing evil. When someone does something against the law of God, they're not being Muslim.

Does Islam allows Disbelief?

What if a Muslim or You perhaps dont want to be a muslim anymore?

[Bears Grill]

Does Islam allows Disbelief?

What if a Muslim or You perhaps dont want to be a muslim anymore?

Penalty is DEATH. Just ask the Imams.

[%75life4Him]

OT: @%75life4Him

Muslims who prefer the one wife one husband arrangement made it their choice. They don't believe it's wrong because they know that Allah swt has allowed it in the Quran. A man and woman can establish that before getting married. For some people it works. No problems there. There are couples who do choose the multiple wives simply for the love of Allah and for a woman's protection and for her to be supported financially. It's a HUGE responsibility for a man to look after more than one wife. Some men can't even look after themselves let alone a wife or 2 or more. On the Day of Judgement a man will be questioned for every single thing concerning the happiness of his wives. With this is mind, he will have to consider his choices really carefully.

Again, in the bible having many wives is not an option. The bible calls it adultery. We believe its wrong because our conscience with the bible consider it to be a sin. This is how constricted the biblical way concerning marriage in the New Testament dispensation.

Also I must have missed the "Wahabi Muslim" part. Now I know why you don't know the real Islam. Islamophobes has got us divided into all these made up sects. You're either Muslim or not!

To be clear I am not a muslim. I dont want to be a muslim. God becoming a man makes a lot of sense to me to free me a from guilt of sin. Jesus died at the cross to conquer millions of christian throughout history but muhammad killed unsubmissive jews in medina for about 2 years to possess it.

Of course, Muslim means one who submit to the will of Allah (islam). Yes, I am a muslim not of quran but of the bible. .

By the way, do you know how muhammad died?

[JcBoY]

Unsa na man ni nga thread oi! Muslim vs Christian na pud ni? BTT Guys....