How do you obtain Salvation?

[SioDenz]

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I don't really know if islamic salvation is the same as that of christians,
they said that the difference between the bible and the quran, is just
the book of muhammad.

Remove All the Books in the New Testament and it will be almost the same as the teachings of Islam. Christian and Islam were separated from the Point of Abraham down below.

The God of Abraham and Allah is the same God

[%75life4Him]

They are the same God.
Theres more to Zakah than the whole 2.5% thing.

How can they be the same God? Jesus, the God of Christians was crucified, buried and was resurrected, yet the Jesus in Koran did not die and was just raptured.

Qur'an mistaking Jesus' mother Mary for Moses' sister Miriam, claiming that Mary was Moses and Aaron's sister, a child of Amram (Sura 3:35-48; 19:27-2, despite the 1500 plus years which separate the two. They claim that a Samaritan sculpted the golden calf at the foot of Sinai (Sura 20:85-8 despite the fact that Samaritans didn't come into existence until several hundred years after the Exodus (at which time the calf was made, Exodus 32:1-4).

Furthermore, the bible says to love your enemies yet the God of Quran says to fight with the unbelievers because you will be rewarded if you do it.

Surah 8:59-60 in Quran

8:59 And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.
8:60 Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged.

I dont believe they are same.

[%75life4Him]

i was not referring to Islamic Faith and practices bai

i was talking about Allah, the Muslim God..by the Characteristics attributed to Him
a Father, All merciful and all Loving, Just, the Creator ,Perfect..etc..
without a doubt, i believe we are calling out to the same God only by different name.

in the same way the Spaniards accepted Bathala(the God of Filipino katutubos)
as the same with the Father God in the Holy Trinity.
because of the Characteristics attributed to Bathala, the Creator of the universe, first man and woman etc...

Obviously, you have not read that link before you write your post. That link will tell you why the god of islam is different that the God of the bible.

[newbie.86]

redundant thread ---


Are we saved by faith alone, or by works ?

[newbie.86]

@Labelleza:

Does birth from Muslim parents should FORCE you to become a Muslim?

[noy]

Obviously, you have not read that link before you write your post. That link will tell you why the god of islam is different that the God of the bible.

like i said bai, i was not referring to Islamic beliefs and practices(which means i've read the link as it talked about the creation of quran, Ishmael as the promised son of Abraham etc) BUT to Allah(God).

when i said i believe Allah and Father God in the Holy Trinity are the Same or technically Jesus as well For He in and Father are One in union with the Holy Spirit..but to not confuse ourselves...i referred to God the Father in citing similarities with Allah the Muslim God.

The link you posted was trying to Discredit the quran and the prophet muhammed..
But NOT Allah..

and on the link, this phrase can be found
"The origin of Islam is generally accredited to the prophet Muhammad but to the devout Muslim, Islam began long before Muhammad ever walked the earth."
which goes back to the time of Abraham only their lineage was through Ishmael...
but none the less STILL the same God they call upon to...even the Bible talks about God blessing Hagar and Ishmael.
people back then, before the children of Israel called themselves Jews
people call God as God of Abraham, God of Issac and God of Jacob.. etc...'cause they don't know God's name yet
or simply God which is Allah in Arab.

[newbie.86]

Just an afterthought ---

If Christians believe that Jesus is God, while Muslims do not believe it .... are we really talking of the same God?

Christians will be talking of salvation from the perspective of Jesus.
Muslims will be talking from the perspective of Allah.

If not, then there is really no ground for discussion since we are referring to different entities.


just my POV. will be my last post here.

[noy]

How can they be the same God? Jesus, the God of Christians was crucified, buried and was resurrected, yet the Jesus in Koran did not die and was just raptured.

Qur'an mistaking Jesus' mother Mary for Moses' sister Miriam, claiming that Mary was Moses and Aaron's sister, a child of Amram (Sura 3:35-48; 19:27-2, despite the 1500 plus years which separate the two. They claim that a Samaritan sculpted the golden calf at the foot of Sinai (Sura 20:85-8 despite the fact that Samaritans didn't come into existence until several hundred years after the Exodus (at which time the calf was made, Exodus 32:1-4).

Furthermore, the bible says to love your enemies yet the God of Quran says to fight with the unbelievers because you will be rewarded if you do it.

Surah 8:59-60 in Quran

8:59 And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.
8:60 Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged.

I dont believe they are same.

i think we can find several similar verses in the old testament bai..but we do not dwell on them for righteousness sake for we believe that they have been fulfilled by the new testament
and the final covenant through Jesus.
the muslims rejected Jesus therefore it is not surprising to find Extremist take quran verses literally..

if constitutional and criminal Law does not prohibit stoning to death for righteousness,
perhaps we would still find Jews doing so, simply because they rejected Jesus...

and even in the history of Christianity, we still find legalism and fundamentalism in the dark ages that
resulted to violence, killings and all sort of atrocities..
and even till this very day we find some people taking biblical accounts literally...di lang hinuon mupatay pero mu condemn ug ubang tao..Lol

point is, we cannot say that Allah the God of muslims is evil because of the violent verses found in quran..
for we know that Atheists say the same thing to us because of the similar violent verses that can be found in the Old Testament book..

[noy]

Just an afterthought ---

If Christians believe that Jesus is God, while Muslims do not believe it .... are we really talking of the same God?

Christians will be talking of salvation from the perspective of Jesus.
Muslims will be talking from the perspective of Allah.

If not, then there is really no ground for discussion since we are referring to different entities.


just my POV.

muslims rejected the Trinity bai that's why the Christian God(Jesus) and Allah appear to be different...
but if we focus more on the attributes of Father God in the Trinity we may find signicant similarities with Allah..(by the way muslims call their God just God which is Allah in Arabic).. Allah really is not a name like buddha or vishnu or khrisna...but it just means God literally.

[%75life4Him]

i think we can find several similar verses in the old testament bai..but we do not dwell on them for righteousness sake for we believe that they have been fulfilled by the new testament
and the final covenant through Jesus.
the muslims rejected Jesus therefore it is not surprising to find Extremist take quran verses literally..

FYI All muslims doesnt believe Jesus was crucified. They dont believe the trinity etc.

if constitutional and criminal Law does not prohibit stoning to death for righteousness,
perhaps we would still find Jews doing so, simply because they rejected Jesus...

and even in the history of Christianity, we still find legalism and fundamentalism in the dark ages that
resulted to violence, killings and all sort of atrocities..
and even till this very day we find some people taking biblical accounts literally...di lang hinuon mupatay pero mu condemn ug ubang tao..Lol

Sge man kag balik balik anang linyaha. Wa diay ka kabasa sa bible nga naa say verse naginun maka judge ang usa ka Kristohanun?

point is, we cannot say that Allah the God of muslims is evil because of the violent verses found in quran..
for we know that Atheists say the same thing to us because of the similar violent verses that can be found in the Old Testament book..

Wa pa ka kabasa ug quran oi para musulti kag inana.