How do you obtain Salvation?

[LaBelleza]

O so you mean, mankind doesnt need a savior? Why do man commit sin then? If sin is not a problem for islam, well its a problem for christians because they dont want to continue on sinning. What about this?

"The acts of sins that a man commits outwardly cause his conscience to condemn him, whereas the nature of sin within him entangles him to continue in his sin. Man's intuition tells him that there is a God and that such a God is righteous. He desires to know God, but he realizes that his sinful acts and sinful nature isolate him from God." WL

Isnt this true?




So the forgiver Allah only requires part of our income but the God of the bible requires your entire being if you are going to help others.

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Who said sin isn't a problem in Islam? It's a huge problem! And a NO proper Muslim and Christian or any God-concious person wants to sin. Man sins because he's human. It could be a little sin or a big one. "It is considered part of man’s nature to commit errors in view of his being created with free-will and having finite attributes" more here Sin and Forgiveness

Mankind just needs God. In Christianity your saviour is Jesus coz u think he's God and the answer to your sins. In Islam, we just need God. Ok moving on I think we've established that ages ago.

Zakah doesn't only mean monetary charity. This certain amount of zakah I was talking about is the formal one. But there are other ways of giving charity. Like visiting the elderly or the sick. Smiling! Bringing food to someone etc etc.

[%75life4Him]

Btw guys I know I don't speak Cebuano (and I should learn and it's my fault) but you know I don't speak it so if you're talking about me I would appreciate it if you used English. Please.

However I tried to read and understand it and 75%Life, I wasn't judging Christianity. I love Christianity and I love Jesus (pbuh) but there are just some things I can't accept. I never said Christianity is easy, I didn't come to that conclusion. I said "well now it sounds easy" or something like that. That's the problem with forums and the like. Communication isn't the same as being face to face.

edt: God of the Bible is the same God in the Quran, by the waaay...
and a question! you said you left your family in Islam? Meaning you were Muslim before?

But you already said it earlier. You said christianity is an easy religion. Ok I forgive you on that.

Yes, my father is a muslim. I grew up as a christian.

[LaBelleza]

But you already said it earlier. You said christianity is an easy religion. Ok I forgive you on that.

Yes, my father is a muslim. I grew up as a christian.

If your dad was Muslim, were u born Muslim then chose Christianity?

[noy]

No it is not impossible. God is Almighty! But because he's Almighty, he doesn't need to become a man.

no one can really be too sure in most Absolute ways sis, After all, we all confess God's might and greatness
therefore, no one can really set boundaries for what God will and will not do..
whether God took Human form or He did not have to, Both are of similar rate in Possiblities.
Holy Quran says He need not to, the Bible says, for the Fullness of Forgiveness,
traces from Judaism, God would require a sacrificial Lamb for the atonement and forgivness of sins..
For Chrisitians, Jesus was and is the Sacrificial Lamb for the atonement of Sins
for Mankind's great sin, no bull nor any animal sacrifices would suffice for our Salvation..
we can take reference from the Jewish Messianic Prophecies, about God's plan of Salvation.
Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism, though traditional Jews refused to accept it which is ok, God respects dicision, no reason why we shouldn't.

i understand from a muslim's perspective, Jesus is just a porphet, the messiah but not God.
if we look at Jewish scriptures about their perspective on what the messiah is
the messiah would literally mean the Savior, the one who saves..and one of the messianic prophecies said that
the savior will be called Immanuel(God with us- which refers to the actual birth of God in the Flesh(withus),
and the name Jesus(english)Yeshua(hebrew)Eisus(greek) means "God Saves"
that is technically where the notion Jesus as God came from
aside from the writings of His apostles and early Christian followers and not through Paul
Paul embraced the already existing Idea that Jesus is God.

it doesnt mean that because Christians believed in Jesus as God, by any way demeans God the Father( perhaps you'd prefer to call Him Allah)
because God, Jesus and God's Holy Spirit are one.. unlike us we can not create Life by the word we speak...God word is Life itself.
God can do all things,
in the Bible we can see it written by the apostle John that

John 1:5
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

and these are Jesus' words Himself about baptism
baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19).

if Jesus was not God, How come He claims to be one, If he isn't God then He is otherwise a False Prophet(as some Jews see Him)
He wouldn't even qualify as a good moral teacher, if He claims to be God when He isnt.

“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
John 10:33

anyways, this is just to raise a point about Jesus as God,and why Christians believe He saves..
like i said, we can only be Faithful to what we believe in
we have Faith for we do not see the FULLNESS of God's perspective.

This is a thread that talks about how Salvation is revealed to us where one might not agree with what the other says..
that cannot change the truth that we are Loved by God and by that..
whatever faith we're in, whatever ways of Salvation we know...hope we all meet on the Last Day! haha..

[%75life4Him]

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Who said sin isn't a problem in Islam? It's a huge problem! And a NO proper Muslim and Christian or any God-concious person wants to sin. Man sins because he's human. It could be a little sin or a big one. "It is considered part of man’s nature to commit errors in view of his being created with free-will and having finite attributes" more here Sin and Forgiveness

When you consider sin is huge problem so Why dont you need a savior? If you say God Himself is your Savior, how can He become a Savior to you when He is unreachable in His Godhead? unless he must become a man. That makes a lot of sense.

Mankind just needs God. In Christianity your saviour is Jesus coz u think he's God. In Islam, we just need God. Ok moving on I think we've established that ages ago.

That is what you think in islam. In the bible, God became a man so that man may have eternal life.

Zakah doesn't only mean monetary charity. This certain amount of zakah I was talking about is the formal one. But there are other ways of giving charity. Like visiting the elderly or the sick. Smiling! Bringing food to someone etc etc.

I understand what Zakah means, I was taught by my father about that since I was young. But I saw its standard to be inferior than what the bible requires of us.

[%75life4Him]

If your dad was Muslim, were u born Muslim then chose Christianity?

Yes. my mother is a nurse in KSA and Engineer in KSA. I grew up with my uncle since 1st year HS. Now this is clearly OT. Let go back to the topic.

[LaBelleza]

Jesus on the last Day for Muslims will descend to fight against Dajaal (evil). As Muslims we have no need for a mediator to ask for forgiveness. No priests, no pope. There is nothing in the way of Creator and His creation.

[LaBelleza]

Yes. my mother is a nurse in KSA and Engineer in KSA. I grew up with my uncle since 1st year HS. Now this is clearly OT. Let go back to the topic.

Sorry there was a point to this question that's related to this topic...but I forgot..

[LaBelleza]

I understand what Zakah means, I was taught by my father about that since I was young. But I saw its standard to be inferior than what the bible requires of us.

How is Zakah or charity in Islam inferior? What is the standard? How big does charity have to be for it to be accepted? In Islam it's not about the standards. Zakah is based on the fact that Allah is the original owner of all things in the heaven and the earth. You said you know what Zakah is. Ok I believe you but were you taught about the roots of the word? It comes from "Zaka" meaning growth and increasing but it also means purify and clean. There is more wisdom behind Zakah than giving charity. One of them being that it purifies the character of the person and protecting him from egotism.

[noy]

Jesus on the last Day for Muslims will descend to fight against Dajaal (evil). As Muslims we have no need for a mediator to ask for forgiveness. No priests, no pope. There is nothing in the way of Creator and His creation.

i respect your views on Salvation sis, i also believe He will come on the last day to defeat all forms of Evil..
i also believe nothing can come in between God and Man, not even Sin.
as Catholic and i think Muslims believe this too, God is the Holiest of Holies
the prefection of all perfection, the greatest of all greatness as is with absolutely No sin..

to be human however, we sin in almost every aspect of our lives. God can never partake with Sin..
and mankind can never be saved without even the acts of will of God
while God is a God of Justice, mankind is bound for Damnation..which is really sad by the way
but God is All merciful as well, knowing that man alone cannot save himself..
that's why He came to save us, took the form of a servant, in the person of Jesus Christ
see john 3:16 - For God so loved the world He gave His only son that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but will have eternal Life

while Sin means an eternal separation from God, though we strive not to sin but we still do anyhow
there's gotta be a solution to that delimma, from a Christian and Jewish POV, that's where the Messianic Prophecy comes in,
that's where Jesus comes in(except for some of the Jewish sects though).