Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[%75life4Him]

This is quite a touchy subject because first of all, who will be saved? Only the Christians? Now which Christians because there are a lot of Christians. The Roman Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, Baptists... Etc.

Now we go to the non-Christians like Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims. Now how shall they attain salvation? Do they have to convert?

They need to know Christ. But if happens they did not had a chance while on earth then they will be judged according to the law in their conscience.

Romans 2:
14 For when Gentiles, who have no law, do by nature the things of the law, these, though they have no law, are a law to themselves,

15 Who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness with it and their reasonings, one with the other, accusing or even excusing them.

[noy]

@noy
If he's innocent of the gospel, ang ginoo ray mahibaw niya. If he’s not, the bible clearly states...
1 John 5:12
He that has the Son has life; and he that has not the Son of God has not life.
Who’s God as the owner of Life? The God of the bible….

ok i see your point, where can we find a verse in the Bible that states ang Ginoo ray nahibaw ug bahala mupahimutang kung inosente ang tao bahin ni Jesus

A person like Gandhi who let’s say is NOT ignorant of the gospel yet chooses to reject it and follow his own self-righteousness unya ma-imperno lang in the end is very impossible based on our human reasoning. But what does the bible says?

who said about human reasoning on this matter break? we know that Bible describes God as
All merciful, All Loving and Just He even Sacrificed Jesus for the sake of Justice when He could have saved us all in just one snap of His fingers without sending Jesus
now, we both know that Gandhi is not innocent about Jesus and the Christian doctrine of Salvation Logically and knowledge wise
But there's always a possibility that the reason Gandhi rejected Christ was because of his attachment to his personal religious beliefs
that of which had been proven true to Him. is He guilty for believing and embracing the wrong faith(assuming that Christianity is the correct one to be fair with the others though personally i think Christianity is, for i am a Chrisitan) if we take a close look Gandhi was just a victim of wrong choice...
as you can see in His deeds, Gandhi has even helped people a hundred times better than us professing Chrisitians..

prehas sa imu gud break, many times we have informed you about the reasons behind the Catholic practices
and thatit they are not how you perceived them, i even PM'd you the links for reference in our previous discussions diba?
but you just said that you'd rather not and you've decided to not even give us the benefit of the doubt. Lol
well imuha man pud tong decision, so it was ok. now just in case, in case lang ha, sayop jud ka sa imung tan.aw sa Catholicism nga it promotes idolatry, sun worship,paganism, even Satanism(Pope) Lol Can you still consider yourself innocent?
No, cause you have been made aware that there are reasons
Yes, in the sense that you decision was an Honest mistake, mao man pud toy imung nadesisyonan

your and Gandhi's situation are more likely the same if you think about it. hehehe

Proverbs 14:12
There is a way which seems right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Yes we can relate Salvation on this but
this verse could mean a whole lot of things really, not specifically for salvation alone...
Like you think money can satisfy you , so you loved money above all instead of putting God first...

Matthew 5:20
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

sometimes break, when you persistently insist that what you believe is the Truth
and that we all believe in Lies, and that some of the Catholic Practices we do are an abomination to the Lord
it somehow reminds me how the Jews condemned Jesus thinking that HE broke many of Moses' Law
has your righteousness exceeded that of the Pharisees?

But God made it simple for us….all we need to do is accept and believe in our hearts.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16 is really my favorite verse..
anyway
Yes, though not that simple, 'cause believing in God takes more than uttering the word "believe of i have faith"
it would a whole lot of justifying actions to be concluded that we do Believe..

Well we can all agree that it is easier than the OT laws for righteousness especially that we have been oriented to the Christian doctrines already by our parents, schools...etc
how about those people who have been rooted with other beliefs, and us we believe that our faith is the truth
PLUS those people are very peaceful and Loving and True...those people might have done more things than us
or those people might have displayed Christ-like attitudes in terms of Love, forgiveness and sacrifice
would God really throw them to Hell? because they refuse t believe in Jesus as God and Savior because their religious orientation were different?

Sa imoha pa, we don’t know the mind of God. Problema lang, his eternal plan of salvation was clearly defined in the bible. Tanan taw bro nag-ila ug ginoo, pero magdaug lang diha kung kinsa/unsa nga ginoo ang giila. Dili sad ko motuo nga daghay creator with different attributes and some says there are million ways to God.

Yes i believe there is only One God, however people call Him with different names
Yes God has made it clear that the Sacrifice of Jesus is for the atonement of our sins
to be fair with others, suppose Christianity has the right doctrine of Salvation
would God really condemn those people we blindly refused Chrsitianity because their orientation about religion is different?
di man gani ta ka conclude maski grabeh ka badlungon ang tao, how much more kadtong mga buotan jud kaayo, dili lang nuon Christian.

We are already a fallen creature, there is nothing desirable in us that pleases God…..we are lost since from the beginning….none of us seeks his face.
Romans 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

then all the more we should focus on imitating Christ instead of relying on our interpretation of biblical text about salvation..
how would others believe in Jesus as our Savior when we ourselves sometimes or even most of the time do not act as
someone who has been saved.

OT: Ambot lang bro if we have the same concept of heaven with Islamic teachings….pasayloa ko kung nasayop ko ug quote or sabot ani.

Do you believe lust/sexual desire exists in heaven in eternity?

No i don't break,

The 72 Virgins notion has its origins in the Qur’an. Although the holy book does not specify the number as 72, it does say that those who fight in the way of Allah and are killed will be given a great reward. It goes on to stipulate that Muslims will be awarded with women in Islamic heaven. It even describes their physical attributes—large eyes (Q 56:22) and big, firm, round “swelling breasts” that are not inclined to sagging (Q 78:33). The Qur’an refers to these virgins as houri, companions of equal age, but the highly-flavored emphasis of their bodily characteristics, including their virginity, gave rise to many hadiths and other Islamic writings.

Qur’anic commentator Al-Suyuti (died 1505) and Orthodox Muslim theologians such as al Ghazali (died 1111 CE) and Al-Ash’ari (died 935 CE) graphically elaborated sensual pleasures attributed to Muslims in paradise”.

Al-Suyuti wrote, “Each time we sleep with a Houri we find her virgin. Besides, the ***** of the Elected never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one [i.e. Muslim] will marry seventy houris, besides the women he married on earth, and all will have appetizing vaginas.”

as much as i wanna comment on this break, i'd rather not.
First, i'm not Muslim
second, i haven't actually sat down and studied about the religion
third, i'd rather have our Muslim brothers and sisters answer your views about their Religion.

[Chubi]

pag tuo + buhat = kaluwasan..

[Juvil John Soriano]

it's like asking if you can drink a glass of water without lifting the glass. what ever your faith is, it will always show through your actions. or whatever actions you do, will always reflect on what you believe in.

[noy]

They need to know Christ. But if happens they did not had a chance while on earth then they will be judged according to the law in their conscience.

Romans 2:
14 For when Gentiles, who have no law, do by nature the things of the law, these, though they have no law, are a law to themselves,

15 Who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness with it and their reasonings, one with the other, accusing or even excusing them.

ako pud gi ask si breakeven bahin ani bai
but you answered it already, hehehe..Salamat.
break, ay nalang to tubaga ang ako pangutana bahin ani...Lol

how about those people who have been made known about Christianity
but of course tungod sa ilang religious orientation like, muslim sila by birth
and that they were contented with their Islamic Faith.. Good Muslims bro, almost even bear the examples
of Jesus when it comes to Love, Forgiveness and Faithfulness(of course this is an overstatement, but you know what i mean: even more Christ-like than some Christians..)
do you have any idea if they will be save too? of course they rejected Jesus(religious influence and orientation but extremely good people)

[LaBelleza]

72 virgins is a myth..and ugly lie, just sayin.

Islamic belief of being saved is having faith in one God and doing good. It's as simple as that. I hope people get it out of their heads that in my beautiful religion Islam suicide grants you a place in heaven. It's a major sin.

[<SMILE>]

When I believe that all my sins are already redeemed,
is it okay for me to sin again in many folds for Jesus Christ had already
made sarifices for it?
If we believe in Jesus Christ, are we free to sin afterwards?

[%75life4Him]

ako pud gi ask si breakeven bahin ani bai
but you answered it already, hehehe..Salamat.
break, ay nalang to tubaga ang ako pangutana bahin ani...Lol

how about those people who have been made known about Christianity
but of course tungod sa ilang religious orientation like, muslim sila by birth
and that they were contented with their Islamic Faith.. Good Muslims bro, almost even bear the examples
of Jesus when it comes to Love, Forgiveness and Faithfulness(of course this is an overstatement, but you know what i mean: even more Christ-like than some Christians..)
do you have any idea if they will be save too? of course they rejected Jesus(religious influence and orientation but extremely good people)

Actually, salvation bro is not about going to heaven or hell, it is about having the divine life of God in Christ. If you dont have Christ, then you dont have salvation. This is for the purpose of fulfilling the eternal purpose of God in His DIVINE ECONOMY (Ephesians 1:9-10). He is not as narrow as sending people to hell because they did not believe in Christ, the son of God. God knew that 2k years before the advent of Christ there were people who have lived in Ifugao building the terraces without knowing the Lord in Israel. But God did not stressed this so much in the bible because He really wants us to believe in Christ as our saviour. Those are not saved but passed the great white judgement will enter eternity. Revelation 20:11

[Juvil John Soriano]

When I believe that all my sins are already redeemed,
is it okay for me to sin again in many folds for Jesus Christ had already
made sarifices for it?
If we believe in Jesus Christ, are we free to sin afterwards?

Jesus said fool me once joke's on me. Fool me twice shame on you.

Hehehe btaw that's not the christian way. It just mean you still are not a christian.

[shockie]

Jesus said fool me once joke's on me. Fool me twice shame on you.
Hehehe btaw that's not the christian way. It just mean you still are not a christian.

Very true! Our Christian experience is not of this world.....once we experience the holy spirit working in our life, It persuades us to do more righteous things than fooling around and play God.