THE OBELISK: a pagan symbol?

[raissah]

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Your welcome Bro,
If GOD do favor the use of a pagan symbol i.e The Holy Cross,
Then the obelisk as a pagan symbol will have the same treatment
from GOD as well.

sorry for my ignorance bro. d kaayo ko himasa ug bible gud. asa na verse nato makita na nga ni favor ang Ginoo sa pag gamit ug pagan symbol w/c is the cross?

Ako lang ni opinion ha, I might be wrong, God does not favor the use of pagan symbolism's. Like breakeven said, at that time lang siguro, ang pamaagi sa pagpakaolaw and pagsilot sa mga makasasala (sa mata sa tawo) at that time kay through crucifixion, but dli man gud ta mka grasp sa knowledge and wisdom sa Ginoo bro, so dli ta maka ingon nga ni favor cya sa pagan symbol or not unless if there's a verse somewhere sa bible clearly stating it. Kani tanan puros rani interpretation nato sa bible, my interpretation might be different from yours and that's the beauty of it. kay the more we are in doubt, the more that we want to know more and dig deeper unsa jud ni cya or unsa jud ang pasabot niya.

Personally, the obelisk in Rome is shameful if naa ta sa time when daghan kaau pagans. But these days, most people don't even know that that tower is an obelisk unless otherwise knowledgeable cya anang butanga. People go there, visit the place, pray to God etc but they don't pray to the tower. So I guess, for people who're not familiar w/ it, it would not matter. But for those nga kabalo sa sign and origin sa obelisk, they would really wonder why and ask the same question that breakeven is pointing out.

[machinecult]

There's really nothing sinister about obelisks. It's just part of ancient Egyptian religion and is does not symbolize male genitalia (phallus). There are engravings on them usually depicting certain events, accomplishments, dedications. Westerners took some of them because it was decorative and naturally conquerors take souvenirs from conquered lands. The obelisk as a phallic symbol is a modern invention by conspiracy theorists, the new age movement, and has no basis in its actual history.

[Breakeven]

sorry for my ignorance bro. d kaayo ko himasa ug bible gud. asa na verse nato makita na nga ni favor ang Ginoo sa pag gamit ug pagan symbol w/c is the cross?

Ako lang ni opinion ha, I might be wrong, God does not favor the use of pagan symbolism's. Like breakeven said, at that time lang siguro, ang pamaagi sa pagpakaolaw and pagsilot sa mga makasasala (sa mata sa tawo) at that time kay through crucifixion, but dli man gud ta mka grasp sa knowledge and wisdom sa Ginoo bro, so dli ta maka ingon nga ni favor cya sa pagan symbol or not unless if there's a verse somewhere sa bible clearly stating it. Kani tanan puros rani interpretation nato sa bible, my interpretation might be different from yours and that's the beauty of it. kay the more we are in doubt, the more that we want to know more and dig deeper unsa jud ni cya or unsa jud ang pasabot niya.

Personally, the obelisk in Rome is shameful if naa ta sa time when daghan kaau pagans. But these days, most people don't even know that that tower is an obelisk unless otherwise knowledgeable cya anang butanga. People go there, visit the place, pray to God etc but they don't pray to the tower. So I guess, for people who're not familiar w/ it, it would not matter. But for those nga kabalo sa sign and origin sa obelisk, they would really wonder why and ask the same question that breakeven is pointing out.

Thanks so much for getting my point also sis nice imong statement.
May God bless us all!

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so unsa naman ni? pwede na nako ni eclose ang thread?

[Breakeven]

so unsa naman ni? pwede na nako ni eclose ang thread?

basin napay daghan mo comment nga makapuno2 sa atong knowledge bro. ang @mods ray maka decide.

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sorry for my ignorance bro. d kaayo ko himasa ug bible gud. asa na verse nato makita na nga ni favor ang Ginoo sa pag gamit ug pagan symbol w/c is the cross?

Ako lang ni opinion ha, I might be wrong, God does not favor the use of pagan symbolism's. Like breakeven said, at that time lang siguro, ang pamaagi sa pagpakaolaw and pagsilot sa mga makasasala (sa mata sa tawo) at that time kay through crucifixion, but dli man gud ta mka grasp sa knowledge and wisdom sa Ginoo bro, so dli ta maka ingon nga ni favor cya sa pagan symbol or not unless if there's a verse somewhere sa bible clearly stating it. Kani tanan puros rani interpretation nato sa bible, my interpretation might be different from yours and that's the beauty of it. kay the more we are in doubt, the more that we want to know more and dig deeper unsa jud ni cya or unsa jud ang pasabot niya.

Personally, the obelisk in Rome is shameful if naa ta sa time when daghan kaau pagans. But these days, most people don't even know that that tower is an obelisk unless otherwise knowledgeable cya anang butanga. People go there, visit the place, pray to God etc but they don't pray to the tower. So I guess, for people who're not familiar w/ it, it would not matter. But for those nga kabalo sa sign and origin sa obelisk, they would really wonder why and ask the same question that breakeven is pointing out.

Hi Sis Raissah,
Sorry kaayo naa pa koy work,
Kini kuno.

1 Corinthians 1:23

23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For all the things in the world,
why God choose this pagan symbol which is the
cross to atone as from our sins.

[Breakeven]

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Corinthians 1:23
23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For all the things in the world,
why God choose this pagan symbol which is the
cross to atone as from our sins.

The emphasis is in the Lord Jesus Christ, not the cross. Bisan pa unsa ang paagi sa pagpatay wala gihapon nay connection sa saving power of Jesus' death and resurrection.

[SioDenz]

Hi Sis Raissah,
Sorry kaayo naa pa koy work,
Kini kuno.

1 Corinthians 1:23

23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For all the things in the world,
why God choose this pagan symbol which is the
cross to atone as from our sins.

Pag post daw ug verse nga si Kristo if maghisgot ug kaluwasan mu refer siya ug Cross? kana si Jesus jud ha. Para ma klaru ba if ni CHOOSE ba jud siya or unsa ka importansya ang paggamit sa cross. Kay kanang imung verse wa juy nag indicate dha nga si Kristo naghisgot nga cross iyang i CHOOSE. Ang main point man gud dha is ang pagpalansang ni Kristo para natu. since wala hatagi ug importansya murag way kalambigitan na sa main purpose.

If atung hatagan ug meaning ang tanang butang sa Bibliya bisag wa hisguti, maghimu nsad tag lain Thread Nganu DONKEY ang gisakyan ni Kristo pagsulod sa Jerusalem ug di man Kabayo or Baka or asno or unsa pa dha...

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The emphasis is in the Lord Jesus Christ, not the cross. Bisan pa unsa ang paagi sa pagpatay wala gihapon nay connection sa saving power of Jesus' death and resurrection.

Maora man gud ug symbol gyud na
sa salvation ang cross Bro, pareha ini o.

Mark 8:34

34 And calling the crowd to him with his disciples, he said to them, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

[noy]

I dont know how you consider this symbol kung ana lang sya ka simple.
The Phallic Obelisk and Dome America's Greatest Shame

Ive done my part bro @noy in searching for the truth and have discovered lots of things from the bible that awakens my soul from slumber
continue lang ta asa ta nag grow spiritually.

Likewise, im blessed sa imong transformation and sharing God's love also. Hope we'll continue to show the work of God in our lives. Thanks for the advise anyway bless you bro.

amen to continue growing in Spirit, all the more bai that we should widen our horizons with regard to these things..

when i said unbiased bro, it means to be able to search from different if not all areas, free from comfortable perspectives..
of course, kung mga anti Catholic sites imu gina visit kanunay, unya ang imung orientation isip Protestante, against na daan sa ubang Catholic practices..
dayun ang mga research materials nimu kay of the same point of view sa imung nahibaw,an daan...
not that there's something wrong with it ha but for understanding other POV's sake what would you gain other than what you already have?

sama sa usa ka Atheist, kung puro Atheistic perspecives ra iyang studyohan...impossible jud siya makasabut sa Theism..

wala man ta nagpa maayohay ug denominasyon ngari bai ha kay mao nay labaw sa tanang makasubo sa atong Ginoo...
but ang punto, basaha ra gud nang imung link nga gi post, does that link really promote "TRUTH"? or some conspiracy trying to disprove and discredit
Roman Catholicism through some pagan symbol that the church in Rome found to be historically significant...
klaro kaayo nga ang imung link is of those Anti Catholics..tsk tsk tsk,
dwelling on them would not only cause fixation but worse is you might end up hating CAtholics unconsciously.
accusing them with occultism, why i used the term accuse? 'cause i'm Catholic and i know there's no truth behind what the link was trying to imply pertaining to pagan worship and Catholicism...

suwayi ra gud ug basa kanunay ug mga Hate articles towards Islam esp tong nag focus sa mga beheading,jihad,(note: mga binuhat sa mga extremist)..pirmeha jud, diba no surprize you'd feel something stingy towards our muslim brothers..now as a Christian, does that really confirms the Love of Chrsit? the apostles and early Christian martyrs loved their persecuters even to the point of giving up their lives not only for the sake of the gospel but for the sake of loving their enemies..does anti CAtholic links really promotes the Love of Christ?

try to think about it, if the Obelisk was such a biggie in RCC, then each Roman Catholic Church should have an Obelisk displayed on the Altar..
pero wala diba? like i asked you earlier, what specific doctrine of the Catholic Church states that the Obelisk is
something that we worship?
the answer is No, the Obelisk IN Rome is dear to Catholicism 'cause it served as the silent witness of the blood of martyrs shed for the Christian faith
,it is special Historically and Sentimentally but it's not part

God bless you too..