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@noy

hope dili ni OT atua

i see your point break and tinuod na juy wala makasabot. kaso unsa man nga relihiyon nga tanang myembro nakasabut jud?
But just because others are not able to understand it doesnt mean nga sayop na diba?

Dili sad bro, wala may religion nga ang tanang members nakasabot na diha2 sa mga teachings. What if bago pa na member ug angay pang tudloan? Bisan karaan but angay pa gihapong tudloan. Ang issue is, does it conform to the truths of the bible?

ang pagpasabut break kay trabaho na sa mga Katoliko sama nako..kung daghan man gani ang wa kasabut then we need to do a better job
BUT it doesnt mean nga kay abi naay wa kasabut SAYOP na nga practice or tradition.

Mao jud na ang nindot bro pagpasabot sa mga taw kung unsay kamatuoran. The question that follows is, Unsa ang reference sa mao nga kamatuoran? Coz I believe, once ang taw makadungog sa kamatuoran sa bible bro, he would surely try to challenge his belief or find answers to any doubts and confusions.

…about Truth break, we know no one can reach the level of Truth where we can conclude absolutes.

That’s why there’s a written word, the bible as reference. Though we cannot come to perfection but at least we’re aiming for the highest standards. Para nako lang, dili man gud pwede nga himuon lang accessory ang bible sa atong Christian life….it should be the basis and foundation of our Christian walk.

i hope in the same way that you do towards your RC brothers and sisters that you would also not entirely close your mind on these things, not necessarily nga you have to practice, or even accept it...just understand nganu naa ni...after all that is the purpose of this thread.

Yes I understand bro, that’s why I have the heart to share what’s in the bible kay diha pud ko gikan which I think fair raman tingali. Important is, wala ko mamugos or istorya ug bati.

but i'm a believer of respect jud towards other faith..basta wala lay insultohay ok ra ko to make adjustments.

That’s my desire also bro. Sharing is good while demonizing each other is the opposite.

“So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.”

God bless bro!

[noy]

Question: did God created us according to his image or did we created God according to our image?..

depende jud na sis..
if we talk about being able to Love,sacrifice, having emotions, and human greatness(in goodness) in almost all aspects of life...
then we are created in God's great image.

but if we are talking about God and how God should be because it fits to whatever we want or how we want things to be, or how our understanding on things are...
then that is the time that we are creating god in our image..
( This could happen to anyone )

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@dartzed



ok ra mam hihi. Basaha lage mam tibuok Psalm 45 nga diha gikan ang giquote sa Hebrews 1:8-9. Klaro pud kaayo wa nimo basaha akong reply og tarong hahaha tungod ani nimo nga statement:



niana bitaw ko naapil pa gani sa imo giquote

Spoiler! 

So the quoted ones that came from a song, a prayer or poem written in the Scriptures are not 'God's words'? a big NO. Even though God didn't say it Himself, they are still His words, for everything written in the Scriptures are 'breathed out by God'(2 Tim 3:16), not from the writer or author.

ayaw kahadlok mam. Basa lang gud. Naa pud ni ai:



highlighted in blue: 'God spoke'. Focus na pud sa two words hahaha unsaon nalang ang many time and in many ways.

wa jud ka nibasa tarong sa ako reply mam, kay wa man gani ka ka mention 2 Tim 3:16 nga gisigi nakog balik2x, nasud gani nas imo giquote. Naa diha giingon nga ang mga Scriptures kay 'breathed by God', so mga pulong jud na sa Diyos bisag dili ang Diyos mismo ang nagsuwat. Mao nga pwede ra kaayo moingon ang nagsuwat sa Hebrews nga "God said" bisan pag lyrics pa nas kanta basta kay nakasuwat nas Biblia.

UG naa pud ni ai:



dayon highlighted in blue naa sa Heb 1:8-9 - "Therefore God, your God". Klaro kaayo bisag gamay wala jud nilili sa Psalms 45 kung diin na gikuha sa author sa Hebrews. Part sa usa ka wedding song, og ikaw mismo dili maka-imagine nga kantahon to sa Diyos hahaha. Niana lang jud ang author nga gisulti na sa Diyos kay pulong man sa Diyos tanan nga nakasulat sa Bibliya(2 Tim 3:16).

Ayaw lage kahadlok mam, open your book to Psalm 45. Ayaw kahadlok, breathe in breathe out then open your Holy Book to Psalm 45. Hadlok man ka mam oi di man kaha na mamaak imo Bibliya.

Magkatawa man ta mam oi, mura mag naay allergy sa Psalm 45. Sige ka, imong Bibliya makuwangan jud nag Psalm 45. Ayaw kahadlok. Maypang ni-like nibasa pa, ang gihatagan sa explanation wala.

Good afternoon.

i know sa imo point ug wala ko giignore ang imo mga psalm nga passages ako man sad na gibasa, wala jud ko mahadlok bro.. murag ikaw lang ang wala kasabot sa ako punto..

imo POV is quoted lagi tanan para nimo ang gipang storya sa new testament sa old testament, ok bro ibutang nato mao na.. deli c God ang nagsulti kun di mga followers ok sad na agree ko so i quoted "God may not be the one speaking it physically kay through his followers man but still it is God's words all of it.." sakto ko or deli?..

ako pangutana sa imo since sumpaki man jud ta anang imo quoted2 nga term: para nimo bro unsa man d i ang Word of God ug God spoke, speak, say, etc.. pwede ka musulti nako unsay kalainan between both?..

then dre tas Hebrew ana ka quoted ra dba?.. as you said:

Hebrews 1:5 Psalm 2:7
Hebrews 1:5 2 Samuel 7:14; 1 Chron. 17:13
Hebrews 1:6 Deut. 32:43
Hebrews 1:7 Psalm 104:4
Hebrews 1:9 Psalm 45:6,7
Hebrews 1:12 Psalm 102:25-27
Hebrews 1:13 Psalm 110:1

now ako tika pangutan.on, unsay wala nimo nasabtan anang word nga "God said" dha sa Hebrews 1:6 why kaingon man ka deli si God nagtell ana?.. and yes iconsider nato ang uban verse kay makita man jud ni sa lain verse ang ako pangutana dha sa Hebrews.. Did the author said nga it is quoted from a wedding song, other author, etc?..

para nako giclear nman gud na sa Hebrews kinsa ug asa jud na gikan ang words dha sa mga "quoted" kunohay nimo nga mga verses perting klaroha jud dha pagkastorya sa author sa Hebrews kung kinsa ug asa gikan..

"God spoke in many ways" as you insist but bsan pag kapila pana ug unsa pana nga pamaagi..

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God.

authors, prophets, songs, etc. follows!!...

lisod sabton bro?..

[dartzed]

depende jud na sis..
if we talk about being able to Love,sacrifice, having emotions, and human greatness(in goodness) in almost all aspects of life...
then we are created in God's great image.

but if we are talking about God and how God should be because it fits to whatever we want or how we want things to be, or how our understanding on things are...
then that is the time that we are creating god in our image..
( This could happen to anyone )

bro this is based sa bible ang ako questions not my personal ideas ha, so dont get me wrong bcn nagthink mo nga himu2 rani nko..

1st of all bro the God that I know or gipaila sa ako parents ug sa church was a perfect God, a God that is all powerful, all loving, all merciful, etc. up to now I still hold that idea of a perfect God that i know and not the God which the RCC or other Christian religion is telling me. kinda odd but that's the truth..

kaso it's not what the bible said.. mao na nicome up ko ana nga question..

[noy]

@noy

hope dili ni OT atua



Dili sad bro, wala may religion nga ang tanang members nakasabot na diha2 sa mga teachings. What if bago pa na member ug angay pang tudloan? Bisan karaan but angay pa gihapong tudloan. Ang issue is, does it conform to the truths of the bible?



Mao jud na ang nindot bro pagpasabot sa mga taw kung unsay kamatuoran. The question that follows is, Unsa ang reference sa mao nga kamatuoran? Coz I believe, once ang taw makadungog sa kamatuoran sa bible bro, he would surely try to challenge his belief or find answers to any doubts and confusions.



That’s why there’s a written word, the bible as reference. Though we cannot come to perfection but at least we’re aiming for the highest standards. Para nako lang, dili man gud pwede nga himuon lang accessory ang bible sa atong Christian life….it should be the basis and foundation of our Christian walk.



Yes I understand bro, that’s why I have the heart to share what’s in the bible kay diha pud ko gikan which I think fair raman tingali. Important is, wala ko mamugos or istorya ug bati.



That’s my desire also bro. Sharing is good while demonizing each other is the opposite.

“So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.”

God bless bro!

i think OT ni gamay.

however, by what you said basis of truth, my basis of truth as a Christian of course is no other than the Bible
and as a Catholic. my basis of interpreting the truth is how it is being taught by the Catholic Church.
through the Church's Apostolic Succession plus we also believe that the traditions we have in the RCC are the traditions that the Bible is referring to when it was written that traditions are to be observed. traditions given either by word of mouth or letter
unya we can also trace biblical references about these practices and historically makita pud nato.

and since lahi man tag denomination we can never expect our views to be identical diba?
Like you, i was baptized as Catholic but never by faith. so we can rule out inherited faith.
however..unlike you, nakakita lang jud ko ug reason why i should stick with being a Catholic.
but klarohon lang pud nako, wa puy bati sa imung pagbalhin...kay sure ko nausab imung kinabuhi sa imung pagdawat sa laing denomination...ug diha ka maluwas break, i'd rather have you stay with your denomination.
mao di ko manghilabut sa imu ug sa imung denomination nga views.
if i intended to, i have TONS of questions for the sake of argument. but i don't believe in that type of approach.

when you speak of truth break, as long as you are referring to God's Love through Christ where we are saved
wa jud koy problema ana...but if you say truth kay naa sa Bible and kay mao imung nasabtan from the BIble..
that is not entirely absolute break, that is your personal truth..and we cannot point fingers saying they are wrong just because you understood things differently.
in fact while we are doing that we are violating Christ law about judgement and Loving others.
sometimes break, Loving is not through confrontation but it is best expressed in letting go.
in the same way God let us go with our own freewills to choose Him or this world.
in the same way the father in the prodigal son let his son go..

since you're a fan of RZIM, Poor guy is being criticized by fundies for speaking well towards Catholics.

if one is truly a Christian, then the Bible should never be just a book or worse an accessory.

Amen on everyone is Learning, while we are alive and with our humanity we are deprived of knowing the aboslutes about the truth
of God. Yes we have the Bible as our guide of knowing the truth...but BIBLE ALONE approach can make us self-righteous/fundies
and eventually to what is worst.. hating others whom we think who are not following God's word.
the teachings about salvation has been revealed to us already when Jesus said to Love God above all
and others as ourselves and by what you said that you would rather stick with the truth of the BIble.
well so do i, i'd rather stick with God's truth about Loving HIm and others
than to spend my time questioning other beliefs.
we can both agree that not everything in the Christian faith is found in the Bible
but of biblical references which defeats the Literal BIBLE ALONE approach already.
however with this statement i am not imposing absolutes on the CAtholic church's views.
as i believe that it wouldn't matter to God that much
but rather promoting for all christians to focus on the plain commandments that would please God
"Love God above all and others as ourselves"..

Let's move on with another question break

[noy]

bro this is based sa bible ang ako questions not my personal ideas ha, so dont get me wrong bcn nagthink mo nga himu2 rani nko..

1st of all bro the God that I know or gipaila sa ako parents ug sa church was a perfect God, a God that is all powerful, all loving, all merciful, etc. up to now I still hold that idea of a perfect God that i know and not the God which the RCC or other Christian religion is telling me. kinda odd but that's the truth..

kaso it's not what the bible said.. mao na nicome up ko ana nga question..

can you elaborate further sa part nga dili maoy nahisuwat sa BIble? kay AFAIK with regard to Christian views and as what the bible say
we are created in His image and likeness...but i think we can agree that it is not literally..
as we would have to be god ourselves as well...

Thanks.

[dartzed]

can you elaborate further sa part nga dili maoy nahisuwat sa BIble? kay AFAIK with regard to Christian views and as what the bible say
we are created in His image and likeness...but i think we can agree that it is not literally..
as we would have to be god ourselves as well...

Thanks.

God is all loving but he punishes the sinners by killing them dha sa old testament dba then comes the new testament giusab ang image ni God ni Jesus maybe nakarelize ang tao conflict au ang all loving ug merciful God nga term or is it really the nature of a God? God is all good and pure yet He is a jealous God, isn't jealousy a sin but in His case ana ang mga religious sects exempted daw cya..hmmmmm God does not need earthly things but He needs tithes(money, offering, etc) and demanded 10% sa abot sa tao.. and etc..

[Breakeven]

@noy

Nice point bro. I respect your opinion too

Next question:
Naka recall ko ba, during holy week labi na sa way of the cross, dunay mga taw nga mag-sakripisyo daw like doing the role of Jesus unya magpalansang sa krus literally. Is this a righteous practice or mockery towards Christ's sacrifice kay mahimo nalang hinuong kataw-anan sa uban (like moreklamo kung lapdusan maayo, usahay harabas kayo ug nawng ang kristo,etc...)

[noy]

God is all loving but he punishes the sinners by killing them dha sa old testament dba then comes the new testament giusab ang image ni God ni Jesus maybe nakarelize ang tao conflict au ang all loving ug merciful God nga term or is it really the nature of a God? God is all good and pure yet He is a jealous God, isn't jealousy a sin but in His case ana ang mga religious sects exempted daw cya..hmmmmm God does not need earthly things but He needs tithes(money, offering, etc) and demanded 10% sa abot sa tao.. and etc..

God is all loving but he punishes the sinners by killing them dha sa old testament dba then comes the new testament giusab ang image ni God ni Jesus maybe nakarelize ang tao conflict au ang all loving ug merciful God nga term or is it really the nature of a God?

aw i see. kini diay imu pasabut. Thank You.
i too once had the same questions. but there are few things we need to consider first. before getting a different perspective on God's ways.

1. why are those people being punished? why were they killed?and who were those people?
were they given chances?

2. does being killed automatically means being forsaken or damned? what if those people repented when God met them when they died?
remember early Chrsitian faithfuls were also given to the enemy to be martyrd. even Jesus Himself gave himself. does that mean God abandoned them?

3. Do we really know what God has in mind when He allowed those things to happen?Do we have a clear view about what is right and wrong?
diba we have experienced blessings bursting forth from unpleasant events?
diba its through making wrong choices we know the right ones?


4. is our view about salvation the same with God's?
that's why we find people questioning God for life's hardships when they pray everyday and have faith in Him.
we often forget the part that this life is passing, and what matters really is what lies ahead.
and that most of the bad things that happened were a product of our own wrong choices..

5.if ever death is the only way for salvation, would that still be Evil?
if problems and struggle would open our eyes and our hearts, are they still evil?
say God allowed a very righteous man to die at a very young age..
sa ato kay bati kaayo na nga buhat sa Ginoo kay buotan gud dpat i bless unta diba? what if lang ha, kadtong righteous nga tao if wala to siya namatay
years after he might end up selling his soul to the devil...so ma impierno pa nuon siya..point really is our understanding about blessing is way too far from God's perspective ug dako kaayo ug role ang faith aning mga panahona.

regarding sa changes from OT to NT di man pud pasabut sayop to ang OT ways mao giilisan..
but they were rather fulfilled by the fullness of Jesus' coming and Sacrifice.
this article explains better than i do, so if its ok with you...please refer to this link:
God's Change in Old and New Testaments: Does God Change? - 2pi.info

God is all good and pure yet He is a jealous God, isn't jealousy a sin but in His case ana ang mga religious sects exempted daw cya..hmmmmm God does not need earthly things but He needs tithes(money, offering, etc) and demanded 10% sa abot sa tao.. and etc..

First we need to ask ourselves...
is God's jealousy really like the jealosy in us driven by insecurities,greed, lust and paranoia?

God wouldn't have issues with insecurities kay God naman Siya
He wouldn't have issues with greed 'cause He owns all things, He wouldn't lust over something 'cause He is completely the opposite.
and of course God is never paranoid 'cause He knows and sees all things.
therefore God is not jealous in the same way we humans do.

ok, suppose that you are all knowing and all seeing..
what would you feel, when you know that yourself is the best deal the other perosn could have but the other person just ceased or refuse to see it..
if you know that you can give the other person everything that could make him/her happy eternally but that other person just somehow finds his/her own way in settling for something less...
i think you too would be jealous over those other things..

God is the best of everything we could have..so when He say He is jealous over the other things we replace Him with...He doesn't mean He is insecure or something, it only means one thing..He loves us that much! and that because of that Love, He worked over time,went out the usuals just for us to figure out that He is what we need.

in a way
i even praise God for getting jealous over my sins and guilty pleasures
'cause that also means He is also holding out to me..

regarding Tithes..

Tithing esp in our age today with the new covenant is a personal conviction esp if certain percentage is involved..aside from the fact that it would help the church or church group financially if you come to think of it or if you believe that God owns everything and that whatever you have is nothing more but just a blessing
10% is not even enough.. we sometimes even give 100% of ourselves to other things doesnt bring us good..example would be vices and guilty pleasures.

personally, tithing is basically Helping the Church in every way..
some may be convicted with the 10%, others may be through services,others may be giving church maintenance for free...but we all know that
the church also needs funds on a daily basis...kung korakoton man gani atong gi hatag...problema na na sa nagkorakot..

here is a link about tithing,you may wanna check this out
What is the Church's position on tithing? | Catholic Answers

[noy]

@noy

Nice point bro. I respect your opinion too

Next question:
Naka recall ko ba, during holy week labi na sa way of the cross, dunay mga taw nga mag-sakripisyo daw like doing the role of Jesus unya magpalansang sa krus literally. Is this a righteous practice or mockery towards Christ's sacrifice kay mahimo nalang hinuong kataw-anan sa uban (like moreklamo kung lapdusan maayo, usahay harabas kayo ug nawng ang kristo,etc...)

katawa kos mureklamo kung lapdusan ug maayo dah..hehehe...ug kataw-anan kay way angay ang nawung sa nagpa Kristo2x..

anyway, duha dala ani break, this is not really a doctrine of RCC nga magpalansang jud kung simana santa
first is ang paghinumdom sa sakripisyo sa atong Ginoo...sama sa pagtan.aw sa salida nga passion of christ..
ug tourist attraction...hehehehe

pero bahin sa mga nagpalansang jud, i can only Hope that they are doing it in wanting to share with Christ's pain..
or it is their way of expressing their faith and that through having a glimpse of Christ suffering they might be closer to Him
so sa side sa nagpalansang,or kanang mga nagpinitensya...PERSONAL CONVICTION ra jud na break.
and it only becomes a righteous practice if we see results of Christ's example in the lives of the Penitents on regualr days..
and in the lives of those who partake with the Commemoration of our Lord's Passion.

personally, di na na kinahanglan magpalansang jud ug tinud-anay kung paghinumdom lang atong gibuhat...
but again, it all boils down to conviction...

like how i was convicted before to take the nazirite vow...