The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[kamikaze_007]

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well, church is a business - you've got to follow the guidelines.

I am catholic, I have nothing against the religion. I am just against some of the principles laid down by the administrators of the church. Oh well, churches were supposed to be temple of worship to our God, no discrimination. Ambot lang kaha karon.

[noy]

what principles in particular man bro? can you further elaborate your statement:church is a business ? Thanks

[noy]

@ bay noy di man gud malikayan...tungod kay tawo lng sad ang pastor, pari.. dayon ug tira nila sa mga lain nga denominasyon mao ni biya na lng ko kay para nako parehas ra man ta nag handom ug kaluwasan, regarding sa mga bata mao nay nindot nila nga start-up para makaila sila ni Jesus...

Ot -di na lng ko mo share ngano naabot ko sa desisyon nga di na ko ganahan ug religion

way blema na Slabs..you and i are on the same page..
i hate seeing Christians bashing with each other trying to prove whose denomination is Better...
it's like looking at the mirror while talking crap against yourself.

to be honest, i can actually picture out the Devil laughing at us whenever that happens..Lol
i understand and i respect your stand dihang dapita...
all i am saying is i also experienced withdrawing from religion and almost became an aetheist because of hypocricy in some of the churches...and it all the more confused me..
ang ako lang, basin na generalize lang nimu bah..'cause one way or another..i think we can both agree that 2 heads are better than one..hahaha...

there was a time a attended a service in one church...the sermon was good, nice and music...
and mga tao...but they said something about Catholics and all that jazz...hahaha!!!
so...i took what was helpful and let the "religion attack" pass the other ear...
and you're right,walay perfect..maski sa akong church group mismo,maski ako at times given the situation that i need to defend Catholicism...i hear people making jokes about other Christian denomination..
which is very sad.
BUT if we really wanted unity and change in these scenarios...
we shouldn't withdraw ourselves i guess all the more we need to engage in these things and show the "attackers" how "Loving our neighbors" is done..hahahaha..

bitaw slabs, imoha pud nanag disisyon to withdraw...i respect that..
at least it's just religion that you let go of...and not Jesus.

[Bibi Jones]

mga braders nganu kaha no, naka ask lang ko hah, of all the time period sa history...nganu nga si JESUS Christ didto man gyud ni appear sa panahon wa pay internet....nga kon boot hunahunaon based sa ako na sabtan sa iyang specs being GOD siya may magboot sa tanan panghitabo...kaning inyo gihagoan og debate trying to prove kinsay bright ninyo diri, ug uban pa daghan man kaha na iskwelahan...kay pirti man maka ininglis...pero sa simpleng binisaya mao ni ako pangutana.....y did GOD appear in / on record based on the bible sa panahon nga wa pa gyud ingong maka record og image na siya ni exist....

ang mga pari mo ingon dayon....FAITH brader ang tubag ana....believing with out seeing daw...pero sori kau kay di ko ka logic ana gyud...

simpli lang gyud.....why so backward in the timeline hah......wa gyud matawag ibidensiya....the TURIN covers nga na imprint ang nawong sa ginoo....pero piece of photo art man daw tong agaw da vinci...

cge na lang mga hait og otok diri bi....out of topik man gyud ni pero relevant pod ni sa issue....CHURCH....dili building kon dili fellowship....i got the point....bisag murag ilad pero bati man kon mo against tah ...wa nay mo votar nato inig election dibah....cge nalang....HIT me more....

[slabdans]

way blema na Slabs..you and i are on the same page..
i hate seeing Christians bashing with each other trying to prove whose denomination is Better...
it's like looking at the mirror while talking crap against yourself.

to be honest, i can actually picture out the Devil laughing at us whenever that happens..Lol
i understand and i respect your stand dihang dapita...
all i am saying is i also experienced withdrawing from religion and almost became an aetheist because of hypocricy in some of the churches...and it all the more confused me..
ang ako lang, basin na generalize lang nimu bah..'cause one way or another..i think we can both agree that 2 heads are better than one..hahaha...

there was a time a attended a service in one church...the sermon was good, nice and music...
and mga tao...but they said something about Catholics and all that jazz...hahaha!!!
so...i took what was helpful and let the "religion attack" pass the other ear...
and you're right,walay perfect..maski sa akong church group mismo,maski ako at times given the situation that i need to defend Catholicism...i hear people making jokes about other Christian denomination..
which is very sad.
BUT if we really wanted unity and change in these scenarios...
we shouldn't withdraw ourselves i guess all the more we need to engage in these things and show the "attackers" how "Loving our neighbors" is done..hahahaha..

bitaw slabs, imoha pud nanag disisyon to withdraw...i respect that..
at least it's just religion that you let go of...and not Jesus.

exactly bai noy...manghinaot lang ko ani someday magkahiusa ang tanan diha kang Jesus...wala na ng dautanay pa nga sila moy sakto...

[NapoleonBlownapart]

mga braders nganu kaha no, naka ask lang ko hah, of all the time period sa history...nganu nga si JESUS Christ didto man gyud ni appear sa panahon wa pay internet....nga kon boot hunahunaon based sa ako na sabtan sa iyang specs being GOD siya may magboot sa tanan panghitabo...kaning inyo gihagoan og debate trying to prove kinsay bright ninyo diri, ug uban pa daghan man kaha na iskwelahan...kay pirti man maka ininglis...pero sa simpleng binisaya mao ni ako pangutana.....y did GOD appear in / on record based on the bible sa panahon nga wa pa gyud ingong maka record og image na siya ni exist....

ang mga pari mo ingon dayon....FAITH brader ang tubag ana....believing with out seeing daw...pero sori kau kay di ko ka logic ana gyud...

simpli lang gyud.....why so backward in the timeline hah......wa gyud matawag ibidensiya....the TURIN covers nga na imprint ang nawong sa ginoo....pero piece of photo art man daw tong agaw da vinci...

cge na lang mga hait og otok diri bi....out of topik man gyud ni pero relevant pod ni sa issue....CHURCH....dili building kon dili fellowship....i got the point....bisag murag ilad pero bati man kon mo against tah ...wa nay mo votar nato inig election dibah....cge nalang....HIT me more....

Nice question. Di jud ta makatubag ana ngano kato na time iyang gipili. Ang ato lang nga iya jud tong kabubut-on nga ato na time to tanan mahitabo. Pero di tinood nga way nakarecord nga siya ni exist kay naa man ang mga sinulat sa iyang disipulo, naa man ang bible narecord iyang mga gipangbuhat. Siguro kun karon pa to di pud matuman ang prophecy sa Isa.53 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. Kay adto na time ra man sad to mabuhat. Karon ko e execute ang tao halos di na man masamad pakatulgon ra nga way mata-mata. Kun karon sad to mahitabo di man sad gihapon garantiya nga motuo tanan. After pila ka years moingon ra sad gihapon nga fabricated to mga ebidensya ang mga pictures gipang-edit kay hi-tech na ang panahon, etc.

[slabdans]

mga braders nganu kaha no, naka ask lang ko hah, of all the time period sa history...nganu nga si JESUS Christ didto man gyud ni appear sa panahon wa pay internet....nga kon boot hunahunaon based sa ako na sabtan sa iyang specs being GOD siya may magboot sa tanan panghitabo...kaning inyo gihagoan og debate trying to prove kinsay bright ninyo diri, ug uban pa daghan man kaha na iskwelahan...kay pirti man maka ininglis...pero sa simpleng binisaya mao ni ako pangutana.....y did GOD appear in / on record based on the bible sa panahon nga wa pa gyud ingong maka record og image na siya ni exist....

ang mga pari mo ingon dayon....FAITH brader ang tubag ana....believing with out seeing daw...pero sori kau kay di ko ka logic ana gyud...

simpli lang gyud.....why so backward in the timeline hah......wa gyud matawag ibidensiya....the TURIN covers nga na imprint ang nawong sa ginoo....pero piece of photo art man daw tong agaw da vinci...

cge na lang mga hait og otok diri bi....out of topik man gyud ni pero relevant pod ni sa issue....CHURCH....dili building kon dili fellowship....i got the point....bisag murag ilad pero bati man kon mo against tah ...wa nay mo votar nato inig election dibah....cge nalang....HIT me more....

ngano backward in the time line? balik lang sa Genesis 1:1...In the Beginning...
unsa may atong hisgotan ug wa ta kahibaw sa sinogdanan

pila na man ka timeline gi agian sa ginoo para lang gyud tawon mahimutan ang iyang creation...gikan pa nila ni adan...nagpakasala pa gyud nga kompleto na man unta sila sa ilang gikinahanglan

tungod sa ka daghan nabuhat nga sala sa iyang mga binuhat iya na lng gipamatay panahon ni noah...after ato ni saad na si GOD nga di na niya to buhaton...

pero unsay gibuhat sa tawo? pakasala lng gihapon..mao nagpadala na siya sa iyang anak ato nga time para mao na lng ang patyon instead ang mga tawo unta.

kung ato ng e abot sa atong time nga naa nay internet...makahimo kaha tag internet nga mga matay man lang tag hurot..dayon lain na sad nga generation...maka develop pa kaha tag teknolohiya

[Bibi Jones]

dia pay lain braders...kita mga cristians apil ko hah....bog no pirmi kon kinsa maka proved na siya maoy tinood og igsakto nga sumusonod ni JESUS....pause ta gamay...try to look farther bih....lets say JAPAN karon...new breeds dont know anything about GOD ang religion...wa man lagi ninyo kondema sila nga anti christ og aetheist...perog ako na gani mosulti bati na ko kau para ninyo...hayman bih....louy hapon kay walay ginoo....pero kamo diri....wa mo malooy sa inyong kaugalingon nga cge mog istorya bahin sa ginoo pero ang inyong ginoo ang IPHONE 5 made in japan...baba ra taman ang word na ginoo...pero inyong gusto paliton IPHONE 5...di ra kamo brads hasta mga pari materialistik kayong dako...nya look farther more IPHONE 5 is made in japan diay...ang mga tawo way ginoo maoy nag himo sa inyong ginoo...nga si IPHONE 5...sample ra ni si IPHONE bro ha...daghan pani sila....MATERIAL nga butang.nga gipanganduy sa matag usa ka kristianus...

TUBAG ani we are not japanese...di ta mo kopara...cge malaysia nalng kay medyo pareha ra natog panit...dili kristiano pero taas og na abot sa ila panginabuhi pagkakaron...maayo ang goberyno...

di bah kaha tongod sa pag cge natog claim we are good kristian wa noon ta mo asinso....

[noy]

mga braders nganu kaha no, naka ask lang ko hah, of all the time period sa history...nganu nga si JESUS Christ didto man gyud ni appear sa panahon wa pay internet....nga kon boot hunahunaon based sa ako na sabtan sa iyang specs being GOD siya may magboot sa tanan panghitabo...kaning inyo gihagoan og debate trying to prove kinsay bright ninyo diri, ug uban pa daghan man kaha na iskwelahan...kay pirti man maka ininglis...pero sa simpleng binisaya mao ni ako pangutana.....y did GOD appear in / on record based on the bible sa panahon nga wa pa gyud ingong maka record og image na siya ni exist....

matud pang Jesus bai, "blessed are those who have not seen yet believed"
there are tons of Historical Facts and Records that Jesus walked on earth.
what's on debate really is His divinity.

ang mga pari mo ingon dayon....FAITH brader ang tubag ana....believing with out seeing daw...pero sori kau kay di ko ka logic ana gyud...

even Jesus said that too...whenever He heals, He would say "your faith has healed you"..our lives alone is full of uncertainties...we live by faith everday..
and we do the act of faith in almost everything...so how come you find faith illogical?
when making tough dicisions, we use faith...
when choosing a spouse, we use faith...even in believing that God does not exist...we use faith..'cause one can only say "i thinks there's no God" but never
"i know there's no God" simply because of uncertainties.

plus it doesnt automatically mean that one who believes in Jesus,bleieved in Him without any basis at all aside from Faith.

simpli lang gyud.....why so backward in the timeline hah......wa gyud matawag ibidensiya....the TURIN covers nga na imprint ang nawong sa ginoo....pero piece of photo art man daw tong agaw da vinci...

The shroud of turin as per initital Carbon Dating is dated between 11th to 13th century, which is 200-300 years earlier than Leo Da Vinci..
so it is not possible.
so is the turin fake? 'cause it should have been dated in the 1st century...
reason i said initially 'cause the carbon dating process through accurate...but only tested the sides of the shroud and not the actual picture..
which progresses to another theory that the tested parts where patches due to repairs from damages overtime.

there is a new process for carbon dating thorugh that no longer requires sample but can actually test the entire shroud therefore revealing a more clearer conclusion...BUT the test hasnt been done yet...it is still in proposal...

cge na lang mga hait og otok diri bi....out of topik man gyud ni pero relevant pod ni sa issue....CHURCH....dili building kon dili fellowship....i got the point....bisag murag ilad pero bati man kon mo against tah ...wa nay mo votar nato inig election dibah....cge nalang....HIT me more...

that's just one side of the coin bai...
yes, there are corrupt people in the church, but it doesnt mean that the CHURCH itself is corrupt...
by this Logic...
as politics being associated with corruption...We can also conclude that ALL Politicians are corrupt BUT we both know that it is NOT true.

just in case you are a member of a Fraternity, for sure you know not all Fratmen are warfreaks.
but again by the Logic used earlier...ALL Fratmen are.

[Bibi Jones]

ngano backward in the time line? balik lang sa Genesis 1:1...In the Beginning...
unsa may atong hisgotan ug wa ta kahibaw sa sinogdanan

inyong gi apil ang mga HAPON ani brader....wako y idea if mu hisgot sila bahin sa genesis...in fact ang kagamay sa ila population maka dictate sa economy sa kalibotan...