The DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY. unsa inyong knowledge about God?

[noy]

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i've had my share in ups and downs jovs...some are really faith-shaking...
jovs, for me...i have found my truth and that is with Jesus Christ..
like you, i am also happy with this life, though lisud ang life but i know Jesus will never abandon me...
not in the sense that i will not face troubles in this life...i know i will...
but as what Jesus said, take heart i have overcome the world...
as a Christian i know this world is passing, so i set my hopes in the afterlife..
as what Jesus said, we should store riches in heaven.
that is mu truth jovs..
how would you reconcile the differences sa atong personal tuth?

for you, you are a soul nothing more..and you can attain salvation by igniting the Christ in you

for me, i am a soul but i also have a body and spirit. i can attain salvation by faith in Jesus
and by that faith i can overcome the pleasures of the flesh and spiritual lust by letting God's spirit dewll in me.

for you , you can save yourself in the awakening of your truth
for me, i'm saved by the grace of God through Jesus' sacrifice
and by grace i would claim the salvation He purchased for me on the cross

we both believe God is Love
for you, you need to spend an entire life practicing,meditating in hope to reach a spiritual awakening
through reaching "Christhood" however if failed to do so in this life..
will have to go back from scrath and relearn the whole process till reach perfection through reincarnation.
for me, i will never be Christ,i am far from it..i can never save myself
so i need a savior..and that savior is Jesus...my soul was bound to die because of sin
but Jesus became sin and died for me so my soul can live...
The glory belongs to Christ alone, i only share with it..

for you reincarnation is God's way of showing His Love for His children..
for me, God sent Jesus His only Son, so we sons of men through Jesus will become children of God.

how would you reconcile the difference jovs?
why is it that i am suppose to be wrong and you are right?

[slabdans]

clearly @ jovi we have different interpretation of the bible...pero nganong nag bugha man ka? klaro man kaha nimo nga usa ra ang teachings nila ngano kinahanglan pa man nimo silang hutdon? nagpamatood lng na nga wala kay salig anang imong pagtoo ...kung parehas lang ang ilang teahing ngano mag labang labang pa man ka...

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

i've had my share in ups and downs jovs...some are really faith-shaking...
jovs, for me...i have found my truth and that is with Jesus Christ..
like you, i am also happy with this life, though lisud ang life but i know Jesus will never abandon me...
not in the sense that i will not face troubles in this life...i know i will...
but as what Jesus said, take heart i have overcome the world...
as a Christian i know this world is passing, so i set my hopes in the afterlife..
as what Jesus said, we should store riches in heaven.
that is mu truth jovs..
how would you reconcile the differences sa atong personal tuth?

for you, you are a soul nothing more..and you can attain salvation by igniting the Christ in you

for me, i am a soul but i also have a body and spirit. i can attain salvation by faith in Jesus
and by that faith i can overcome the pleasures of the flesh and spiritual lust by letting God's spirit dewll in me.

for you , you can save yourself in the awakening of your truth
for me, i'm saved by the grace of God through Jesus' sacrifice
and by grace i would claim the salvation He purchased for me on the cross

we both believe God is Love
for you, you need to spend an entire life practicing,meditating in hope to reach a spiritual awakening
through reaching "Christhood" however if failed to do so in this life..
will have to go back from scrath and relearn the whole process till reach perfection through reincarnation.
for me, i will never be Christ,i am far from it..i can never save myself
so i need a savior..and that savior is Jesus...my soul was bound to die because of sin
but Jesus became sin and died for me so my soul can live...
The glory belongs to Christ alone, i only share with it..

for you reincarnation is God's way of showing His Love for His children..
for me, God sent Jesus His only Son, so we sons of men through Jesus will become children of God.

how would you reconcile the difference jovs?
why is it that i am suppose to be wrong and you are right?

yes, we should store riches in heaven means not the riches of this physical earth. that's more on the soul and not of the bodily wealth. the increase of consciousness of the soul, heavenly wealth.

faith is of the body and brain, meaning physical, contradicts the above statement. when it is of this earth, it is constantly tested how really strong your faith is. the body is weak, we all know that and it would give up to evil temptations. so wala ra gihapon imong faith. now ang soul can not tempted unsa diri sa earth, everything on this earth is not applicable to the soul, so dili gyud na siya matintal.

you need to prove to yourself that Jesus' sacrifice for you is true. It could be that you symphatized for his suffering just like you do with your parents, siblings, and friends.

again, you need to prove to yourself first that Jesus died to save yourself or else, it will remain a belief and not a knowledge.

on all what you believe be sure to prove them yourself, or else it will remain a belief and you will just be same as those people 2000 years ago.

nothing had been proven to yourself about what you believe. your belief remains a belief forever. on my side, i am in a school that Jesus started, a school means, i am a student, i was taught/lectured and then tested by teachers, then done some experiments and have proven it to myself. you were asking for proof, so i told you that the proof is something to be experienced personally for God and Christ are experiencial. Not unless, you will experience it yourself, then it cannot be proven to you. Sorry to say, but I know that your Christianity is fake, bec it is not the Christianity that Jesus had started. It is a revision by Emperor Constantine. Some of the original teachings of Jesus were removed.

[slabdans]

we should store riches in heaven -di ka ma langit oi ma reincarnate ra ka

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

clearly @ jovi we have different interpretation of the bible...pero nganong nag bugha man ka? klaro man kaha nimo nga usa ra ang teachings nila ngano kinahanglan pa man nimo silang hutdon? nagpamatood lng na nga wala kay salig anang imong pagtoo ...kung parehas lang ang ilang teahing ngano mag labang labang pa man ka...

wala na naglabang labang bro. usa ra ang Ginoo, usa ra pud ang source sa teachings. lain lain ang messengers sa lain lain nga region ug panahon. Sa panahon ni Buddha, mao ni ang teachings, sa panahon ni Abraham mao gihapon, sa panahon ni Moses, mao gihapon same David, Muhammad, Jesus, pareha ra na sila ug teachings. ug nganong nalahi ky tungod na sa mga tao ra pud, using the brain, without proper teaching and guidance by a teacher. so naglahi lahi gyud sa religion but sa mga schools pareha ra. maski asa ka, mahimo seguro lahi ang mga terms pero pareha ra ug pagsabot. Lahi lahi ang name sa God para masabtan sa brain ug physical body. Jesus called God Father, Muhammad Allah, Zoroaster Ahura Mazda, ug daghan pa.

Ang ako bro dili na pagtoo lng. Pagsabot gyud, niagi ug teachings/lectures, gi test, gi pa experiment, so proven sa akong self, so it is not a belief. Cheers bro!! nag abri ko smb.

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

we should store riches in heaven -di ka ma langit oi ma reincarnate ra ka

no, pasabot ana, heavenly, not physically, unsa man ang heavenly, ang soul na, enrich your soul by expanding its consciosness

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

“I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven." (Matt. 18:3-4)
This statement comes after Jesus’ disciples asked him, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” (Matt. 18:1) Then Jesus ‘called a little child and had him stand among them.’(Matt. 18:2).

It is not surprising that Jesus was asked who was the greatest in heaven. This is a typical concern among those of us living in the physical world. We all want to be the greatest. We all want to be king. We all want to dominate and rule over others. We all want to be loved by everyone and praised. This, precisely, is our disease: We want to be God.

Those of us living within temporary physical bodies are in fact doing so because we have this disease. We have the disease of enviousness of God. At some point, each of us became envious of God. We saw God getting all the attention. We saw God in control. We saw that God has the admiration and praise of others. We wanted to be God.

This is precisely the symbolism of the apple and the tree of knowledge discussed in Genesis. Because we became envious of God, we wanted to have the knowledge of what it was like being the ruler. We wanted the knowledge of what it was like being in control. To be master instead of our natural position of loving servant:

[the serpent said] "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:5)

And later, after Adam ate the fruit:

[God said] "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:22)

What is "knowing good and evil?" In order to know 'good and evil,' one must desire power and control. The only way a person can 'know evil' is if he dabbles in it. We came to 'know evil' because we became envious of God, because enviousness in itself is evil.

Once we became envious, we were no longer suitable for the humble loving relationships of the spiritual world (as Jesus describes, "like little children"). So God gave us this physical body and this physical dimension where we could pretend that we are in control. Here in this physical dimension, we can forget that He exists, and go about trying to dominate and rule over others. Here, we can find our own little niche and have others praise us as being great. Here, we can assemble our own little "kingdom" where we rule the roost. This might be our house and family members, or perhaps we are the boss of a little office of people. Perhaps we even become famous as an actor or politician, and we rule our entourage of people. In some way, we get to develop our little kingdom where we rule over others. Even unsuccessful people get to find some kind of group we can have the illusion of control over, even if it is simply a couple of pets or some children.

We can go pretty far here pretending that we are the greatest. This, in fact, is what most of the self-help gurus teach us: They want us to think: "I am the greatest. The world revolves around me. I can do whatever I want."

These are all the illusions of someone who is jealous of God’s control. These are the desires of someone that wants to be in God’s position. The only problem is that we are not in control. We are not in God's position. We do not really rule over others. We might think we are ruling over others or someone, but we can never really control others. This is because those we are trying to control also want control. They might pretend they respect us, but really they are thinking they are in control, as they manipulate us with their feigned expressions and false words of respect. In other words, we are all in the illusion that we somehow are in control of own little domain.

In reality, none of us really has any control. We cannot control the weather. We cannot control our environment. While we try to manipulate others, we cannot really control them, because they will always have the freedom to at least think as they wish. Even oppressive governments cannot totally control their people, though they may try pretty hard. At some point, the people begin to get out of hand. And even if the dictator or emperor remains in power throughout his lifetime of 60-75 years, the dictator will still be subject to disease, old age, and finally death. So even a great emperor such as Constantine or Napoleon never gained complete control, despite their thirst for it. They only had a temporary illusion of control.

What does this have to do with what Jesus is teaching here? Everything. A young child is an example of someone who is obviously not in control. An innocent child will typically be completely dependent upon his or her parents. Theoretically, they have yet to be able to truly exercise their desires for control because their bodies are too small. So they typically are somewhat humble, innocent and trusting. This is a dim reflection of those in the spiritual world.

The spiritual world is a dimension where its inhabitants are completely in awe of God and humble before each other. They are meek, humble, courteous, respectful, gracious, and fun-loving. This is because God is also this way. While many of us might imagine God as some mean, oppressive Person, He is actually the Most Wonderful Person. He is the most loving. He is the most giving. He is the most playful. He is courteous and gracious. He is perfectly worthy of everyone’s praise and attention, because He is in fact, the Supreme Person. He is, in fact, the Greatest. Therefore, those in the spiritual kingdom spend their lives focused upon pleasing and playing with God. In the spiritual world, each of us are focused upon the variegated relationships that we have with God and with God’s other children. These relationships are complex but fun, and always blissful. About the closest we can come to in comparison within the physical world would be watching very young children play (unless or course, they are fighting).

We can not enter into this spiritual world with an attitude of wanting to be the center. We can not take into the spiritual world an attitude of self-centeredness. With such an attitude, we simply can not relate with others. It would be like a bull in a china shop.

We might compare this to an adult trying to enter into a game that a group of small children are playing. The adult just would not fit in. The adult would be not only too big physically, but they likely could not relate well with the children. The adult would probably over-emphasize the rules and the scoring system to enable someone to win, while the children would likely not care who scored the most points. The children would just ‘play.’

This example is not perfect. Children often attempt to manipulate their parents to get what they want. Children are also self-centered. Also, our society does not have the same kind of controls that the culture during Jesus’ time likely had with regards to respecting elders. Therefore, it is probably safe to say that the child that Jesus had stand before the group as he talked was probably better behaved and humbled as they stood before the adults.

While we have this disease of wanting control, each of us is, deep within, naturally meek. This is evidenced by the respect we give to those who are humble, and the disdain we give those who are proud. This is because within, we wish we were our natural, humble selves.

Should we progress in our spiritual lives, and we begin to re-develop our original relationship with God, our natural meekness will gradually develop. Gradually, we will grow out of trying to control others. We will gradually begin to appreciate and respect the world that God assembled. As our natural love for Him re-develops, we will be increasingly humbled by Him. Should our love for Him grow, we will gradually desire to please Him and gradually give up our desire for control. This is the ultimate fulfillment of the spiritual living being, because loving and serving God is our natural position.

[noy]

yes, we should store riches in heaven means not the riches of this physical earth. that's more on the soul and not of the bodily wealth. the increase of consciousness of the soul, heavenly wealth.

faith is of the body and brain, meaning physical, contradicts the above statement. when it is of this earth, it is constantly tested how really strong your faith is. the body is weak, we all know that and it would give up to evil temptations. so wala ra gihapon imong faith. now ang soul can not tempted unsa diri sa earth, everything on this earth is not applicable to the soul, so dili gyud na siya matintal.

you need to prove to yourself that Jesus' sacrifice for you is true. It could be that you symphatized for his suffering just like you do with your parents, siblings, and friends.

again, you need to prove to yourself first that Jesus died to save yourself or else, it will remain a belief and not a knowledge.
on all what you believe be sure to prove them yourself, or else it will remain a belief and you will just be same as those people 2000 years ago.

nothing had been proven to yourself about what you believe. your belief remains a belief forever. on my side, i am in a school that Jesus started, a school means, i am a student, i was taught/lectured and then tested by teachers, then done some experiments and have proven it to myself. you were asking for proof, so i told you that the proof is something to be experienced personally for God and Christ are experiencial. Not unless, you will experience it yourself, then it cannot be proven to you. Sorry to say, but I know that your Christianity is fake, bec it is not the Christianity that Jesus had started. It is a revision by Emperor Constantine. Some of the original teachings of Jesus were removed.

what if i will tell you that the reason why i believe Christ saved me 'cause apart from
other evidences,personally i have experienced His love..and yes,ako nang na prove sa akong kaugalingun..that i do and will always need a savior.
and i am not bluffing for the sake of argument jovs ha...this is true...
otherwise i wouldn't be talking about God in the first place...
how would you reconcile that?

and how is it that you know for sure nga akong experience is not real? just a sheer imagination influenced by ancient belief system..
if so, i will have all the right to call your expereince as a belief as well.

what if i tell you that before i embraced Christianity
i don't have the knowledge about doctrines...teachings...
i did not even know that the bible has old and new testament
i did not what the trinity meant, i could not understand why Jesus was God
i don't hear mass, i hate priests, i hate religious people, and i even hated God as well
would you still consider my personal experience about Jesus as void?

what if i'd tell you that i was a drugand alcohol addict, that my life was a waste...
that i dropped out of college and that my parents and family abandoned me to rot 'cause ako cla gitraydor tanan...
then whenever i decide to do good...i would end up failing...
then one day i decided to try God...wa koy lain nailhan nga murag duol2x sa pagka Ginoo si Jesus ra...

so i called Jesus without any biblical knowledge, without pastors or priest praying over me...
just out of desperation taht i need a savior and i need to change...i just called Jesus that's it...

then everything started to get better...that's when i started reading the bible...
and searching about Christianity...now i am free from addiction, have a good job a great wife
i even won my parents and family back...i still got loads of problems...
and i know daghan pa mu abut...but i am happy for i know that Jesus Loves me...
so how would reconcile my personal proof that Jesus is God jovs?

jovs, what i just shared is my personal proof that i need a savior and that is Jesus..
'cause without sufficient knowledge about Him...but as little as knowing His name...
i was set free from suicidal thoughts...addictions,hatred and all soprts of ill feelings...

knowledge about Him and Christianity came at a later part...but the personal experience and encounter was there
when i called His name...

again that was just a fraction of my personal proof...i have tons more..expereince and a whole lot of other stuff
but of course, personal proof ug POV ra jud ni...
so how would you reconcile my proof with yours jov? you think you're the only one that's sure about your faith 'cause you personally experienced it yourself?

[slabdans]

wala na naglabang labang bro. usa ra ang Ginoo, usa ra pud ang source sa teachings. lain lain ang messengers sa lain lain nga region ug panahon. Sa panahon ni Buddha, mao ni ang teachings, sa panahon ni Abraham mao gihapon, sa panahon ni Moses, mao gihapon same David, Muhammad, Jesus, pareha ra na sila ug teachings. ug nganong nalahi ky tungod na sa mga tao ra pud, using the brain, without proper teaching and guidance by a teacher. so naglahi lahi gyud sa religion but sa mga schools pareha ra. maski asa ka, mahimo seguro lahi ang mga terms pero pareha ra ug pagsabot. Lahi lahi ang name sa God para masabtan sa brain ug physical body. Jesus called God Father, Muhammad Allah, Zoroaster Ahura Mazda, ug daghan pa.

Ang ako bro dili na pagtoo lng. Pagsabot gyud, niagi ug teachings/lectures, gi test, gi pa experiment, so proven sa akong self, so it is not a belief. Cheers bro!! nag abri ko smb.

sakto bitaw ka usa lng ang Ginoo...pero ngano man lagi nga cge man budha man ang bida...in fact imo mismo avatar budha mo deny pa ka...kung sakto ng imo ug proven na nimo sa imong self...ngano mo complain man ka nga sayop mi. ang amo christianity...ug mo ingon mi sakto sad ang amo ug sad namo as among self ...peke na di ie na...klaro man kaayo nga ikaw ray nagboot nga sayop mi

hinumdomi...ikaw ray nag sulti nga dili ka teacher...wala kay authority to teach. meaning ana wala kay kapasidad nga mo sulti nga sayop mi.

sige bro padayon ug tagay smb kay kada abli nimo a botelya imo kung gitabangan kay diha ko nag trabaho...cheers Drink to Life mao na amo motto

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

sakto bitaw ka usa lng ang Ginoo...pero ngano man lagi nga cge man budha man ang bida...in fact imo mismo avatar budha mo deny pa ka...kung sakto ng imo ug proven na nimo sa imong self...ngano mo complain man ka nga sayop mi. ang amo christianity...ug mo ingon mi sakto sad ang amo ug sad namo as among self ...peke na di ie na...klaro man kaayo nga ikaw ray nagboot nga sayop mi

hinumdomi...ikaw ray nag sulti nga dili ka teacher...wala kay authority to teach. meaning ana wala kay kapasidad nga mo sulti nga sayop mi.

sige bro padayon ug tagay smb kay kada abli nimo a botelya imo kung gitabangan kay diha ko nag trabaho...cheers Drink to Life mao na amo motto

di man ginoo si Buddha ug si Jesus. wa man gani na sila nagpaworship as God. Teachers na sila puros nga naay mga students, dili mga preachers. ako gyud gi change akong avatar para nimo bro. I am not complaining, kita ka ni reklamo ko, i am not a follower of your religion. I am just stating that your Christianity is fake bec it is a religion where there are preachers and followers only. The real Christianity is a school founded by Jesus as the main teacher, with teachers and students. So i am saying that it's fake bec it is preaching the wrong Christianity. The real Christianity still exists today around the world even in Muslim Countries where some muslims are also students. The real Christianity and its real teachings is hidden to those who are not spiritually matured/ready as it is taught in that school and is supported by bible verses. Yes I am not a teacher, i am not teaching you, that's why when you keep on extracting from me the secrets, i can't give you for i am not authorized as a teacher and you are not also officially a co-student. You were asking for proofs and i told you it can only be proven by personal experiences. So i provided you a meditation technique for non-students so you can start to personally experience and can prove it yourself later on. that meditation is like an introduction/orientation for non-students. it is also the way of determining if a person is ready for student life or not. with all of your reactions including the labels, you have proven to me that you are not ready yet.