Blessed Pedro Calungsod

[SioDenz]

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When we keep printed pictures of our parents in our room, we keep them in honor of our parents. We are not attached to those pieces of paper. Rather, it is our parents who come to our minds when we see their images printed on paper.

Because it is really the ACTUAL PICTURE of your parents

If I put the Picture of My Neighbor in your wall and say to you this is your parents. If you will look at it, does it remind of your actual Parents?

[slabdans]

Because it is really the ACTUAL PICTURE of your parents

If I put the Picture of My Neighbor in your wall and say to you this is your parents. If you will look at it, does it remind of your actual Parents?

hinay2x lng mga brader.. in the end parehas ra mog amo, ibutang nako sakto ka sayop sila unsa may mahitabo? mahimo sayang muslim?... dili dba kristyano lng gihapon

[vahnhelsing]

kinsay makaexplain ani sa ubos? palihug kuno ta..

What is idolatry?
2 : immoderate attachment or devotion to something

nya pakapini ug sample..

[Xian120]

kinsay makaexplain ani sa ubos? palihug kuno ta..

What is idolatry?
2 : immoderate attachment or devotion to something

nya pakapini ug sample..

kanang sobra nga attachment sa usa ka butang o tawo,

Ex: Uyab,

one form of idolatry diay nang uyab sa
hahah

[newbie.86]

Because it is really the ACTUAL PICTURE of your parents

If I put the Picture of My Neighbor in your wall and say to you this is your parents. If you will look at it, does it remind of your actual Parents?

IMMATERIAL. Take note that photographs are only APPROXIMATE representation of the ideal (real thing) therefore they are not perfect.

Modern saints have photographs by which we can remember them.

Early Christians don't have that privilege so these saints were represented by things/symbols they were familiar with, rather than EXACT facial representations. These saints therefore were remembered by symbols rather than their actual physical appearance, because Christianity is a religion that is more than beyond the physical.

When God asked the Israelites to create images of angels, no angel posed for them. Rather they conceptualized how an angel should look in relation to God -- and that did not offend God at all.

[SioDenz]

IMMATERIAL. Take note that photographs are only APPROXIMATE representation of the ideal (real thing) therefore they are not perfect.

Mao bitaw gitawag nga Photo kay ikaw jud nang naa sa Pics, imu jud nang dagway dha kay gi copy na sa original nimu nga dagway. Nganu na Immaterial man?
You cant say that on the Images of Christ sa church kay lain lain man ug dagway ug wala may naka kita sa actual dagway ni Kristo.

Im not questioning your belief of saints, akong gi question imung example regarding PHotos as representations.

[defender_1611]

bai defender, di lang nako i qoute tong imung chart ha kay perting taasa...hahaha
kini lang akong i qoute.
during the Catholic mass muingun ang pari..inig consercrate sa wine representing Jesus' blood
"this is the blood of the lamb who takes away the sins of the world, happy are we those who are invited by his supper"
i don't think it promotes that Jesus is NOT enough bai..

and unsay may naa sa purgatory nga Hot seat man jud kaau ni?...hehehe
ok i've already posted verses that actually makes purgatory probable diba?back read nalang bai defender..
naa koy situations nga i raise for you

we know hitler lived a very horrible life diba?all the killings and stuff...plus nagpakamatay pa jud siya
what if Hitler before his last breath, from the bottom of his heart repented and asked forgiveness for everything he had done and accepted Christ as Lord and Savior..
where do you suppose Hitler's soul would be situated? heaven dayun? or hell pud dayun?

now say an aetheist, lives his life according to the law..Loved other people as himself, a very righteous man, does not steal,does not hold grudge, helps people undconditionally BUT does not BELIEVE in God.
he was just making the most of his life.
what happens when this person dies? Hell dritso? what if He repents when He sees God and accepts Hhis fault for not believing...
Heaven pud dritso? but diba wala siya nituo ni God while alive pa siya?

last example,usa ka Christian, openly declares his faith in Christ, whatever he does, pirme siya mu acknowledge ni God
serves in a church,does charity...you know typical christian charity works
but same as ordinary people, repents after sinning, then the cycle begins.
his life has been a battle between rising above or under sin..but the faith is there..
and of course, wala siya nakapatay,wala pud nangabit..wala siya mortal sin kung baga..hahaha
but he sins almost all the time in his mind..hehehe..but generally maayong tao jud.
asa man ni siya padung? heaven dritso? of course di jud ni ma hell kay naa guy faith? plus ni struggle pa jud to rise above sin.

regarding sa imung book bai, it would be best if maka present ka ug link
'cause intruiging kaau nang Catholic book nga muingun nga Jesus is Noot enough...
suwayi gani ug simba sa catholic church bai...naa bay part sa mass nga muingun ug dili enough si Jesus.

bay noy base sa imong mga situations bah although dili ni mao akong gi expect na answer. palihug backread nalang sa chart na akong gi post bay noy kay tua ra ang tubag didto.

[defender_1611]

regarding sa imung book bai, it would be best if maka present ka ug link
'cause intruiging kaau nang Catholic book nga muingun nga Jesus is Noot enough...
suwayi gani ug simba sa catholic church bai...naa bay part sa mass nga muingun ug dili enough si Jesus.

mao lage bay noy intriguing gyud kaayo saun ta man na mao may naka suwat sa libro gud. so sa ato pa bay noy libro mani sa catholic sa ato pa dili di ay ka mutuo ani? sa ato pa sayop di ay ang naka suwat diri? so sa ato pa disagree di ay ka aning libroha even if this book is from the catholic church?

regarding sa link bay about sa book na naa nako karon wala man gyud ko kita ug link bay or e-book ani. ang mugawas man gud kay online store na namaligya ug susamang libro.

[defender_1611]

he ff verses refers to the living saints which we can freely consider ourselves as one, as part of Christ's church
that's why we ask each other to intercede and pray for one another. what differece does it make with the departed saints when we ask them to pray for us?
knowing that they are now in the hands of God nonlonger bound by earthly pleasures and sin.

In short, the scenario goes like this. Catholicism discarded the scriptural definition of a "saint" and devised a new one, then instructed members to pray to these unscriptural "saints."The question is, why pray to anyone else when the God of the universe is in heaven waiting to hear and answer prayers?

Supposedly, these so-called saints "intercede with the Father for us." But we have already learned that Jesus Christ is our only intercessor. Therefore, to suggest otherwise is but a man made tradition.

According to the Catholic church, praying to saints brings people closer to Christ. However, you will not find this doctrine in Scripture either. It is another tradition of men that neither Jesus nor the Bible ever taught.

In fact, this practice of communing with the dead treads dangerously close to necromancy, another practice strongly condemned in the Bible. (See Deuteronomy 18:10-12.)

The nagging question you must answer here is: Why would the Catholic church rather have members pray to dead men than to the living, all-powerful, prayer-answering God?

Keep in mind that if these traditions of men are not true, then all your prayers to "saints" are but worthless chatter.

If you pray to God, though, you may claim many wonderful Biblical promises:

"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." Hebrews 4:16

[mindtrickz]

did Abraham worship Allah and the Christian God?