Blessed Pedro Calungsod

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@ DEFENDER_1611 ...

Since naa man nimo ang libro , kindly check if naay naka label na NIHIL OBSTAT and IMPRIMATUR .

Diha nato masukod if ang book na gi published is free of ERRORS from the MAGISTERIUM of the CHURCH .

[vahnhelsing]

^diba ang bible should be free from error?
naa diay naay sayop springy?

[Xian120]

dpende sa mag publish

[defender_1611]

@ DEFENDER_1611 ...

Since naa man nimo ang libro , kindly check if naay naka label na NIHIL OBSTAT and IMPRIMATUR .

Diha nato masukod if ang book na gi published is free of ERRORS from the MAGISTERIUM of the CHURCH .

sigi sir spring tan.awn nako balik later kay busy pako sa laing thread gud.

[defender_1611]

@ DEFENDER_1611 ...

Since naa man nimo ang libro , kindly check if naay naka label na NIHIL OBSTAT and IMPRIMATUR .

Diha nato masukod if ang book na gi published is free of ERRORS from the MAGISTERIUM of the CHURCH .

@Spring:

hi sir as what you have said na akong tan.awn if naa bay label na NIHIL OBSTAT and IMPRIMATUR? ang good news sir spring is naa siya.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@Spring:

hi sir as what you have said na akong tan.awn if naa bay label na NIHIL OBSTAT and IMPRIMATUR? ang good news sir spring is naa siya.

Then that confirms na ang book is a CATHOLIC BOOK .

Thank you for the effort of checking it out .

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

^diba ang bible should be free from error?
naa diay naay sayop springy?

Ang book where the CATHOLIC CATHECISM was sourced out ang gipasabot nako hehehe . Although ang bible outside RCC which are the ones used by the our Protestant brothers has flaws like missing deuterocanonicals and inserting of the one word sa kadtong famous kaayo na SOLA FIDE ni Martin Luther because gi sourced out man na nila sa Hebrew translation.

Akong gipasabot ana na ERROR is , misleading people na ERROR ang teaching within itself tungod kay di siya book na authorized by such . In our case , kay ang graph is CATHOLIC CATHECISM man naka sulat , if di siya authorized to be published then it means himo himo lang siya from somebody else .

Although the book itself needs to be seen , or atleast man lang naay sources na link if available siya as an E-BOOK aron ma check if ang gi present na text kay no more or no less , usahay baya , sipyat lang ug 1 word , lahi na ug meaning ang sentence or phrase.

[noy]

And when will be that Eternal Life be given? Right after Death? Because in revelation it says when God will come here on earth, All of us Dead and Alive will all be Judged which is wala pa nahitabo. So how come a person that is yet to be Judged or saved able to save others? naa verse sa Bibliya about dead people able to save other dead people?

sio, we both know that the Bible does not say that no one has gone up to heaven yet.so we really can't be black and white regarding these things.
and the book of revelation does not even say that specifically that no one have had eternal life already. it just said that the final judgement will happen on that day...it even mentions of passing the current earth and heaven in revelations 21:1
new heaven and new earth. therefore, it is possible that saints are already in Heaven.
now, i cannot recall saying that saints can save others..i believe i just said that saints or departed Christians can intercede for us, the same way they did while they're still alive. you can personally look up verses taht supports this claim.
imagine this, if the apostles of christ can perform miracles in the name of Christ despite of the fact that they still have a barrier of seeing things fully(physical body and attachment) how much more if they are very transparent with God's glory in the afterlife? again bai, they cannot save us, they can only intercede for us.

And how can you explain this?
Psalms 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 - For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

it depends sio on what our understanding with the word "dead" would be, and how we interpret tthat verse.
for me, that verse is referring to people who are spiritually dead(may be physically alive) as we see people who are alive physically but not having anything to do with spirituality,and YES, they too do not praise the Lord
notice in the ecclesiastes verse, the living know that they shall die..
the person who is alive spiritually knows that his soul could die, therefore he follows what Jesus said,to store up riches in heacen and not on earth...but to the dead, none of these matters.
The Bible did not really say which type of dead does the author talks about.
Jesus even said diba? "Let the dead bury their own dead"..which is pretty impossible physically and literally, but would make sense spiritually and symbolically. hence Jesus said to necodemus that He must be born again..
to be alive in spirit!

How do you know they live an extraordinary lives when what you know are all stories? God is the only one who can Read our Hearts and no one else therefore God has all the authority to Judge us not Us judging other people

apart from stories,Historical accounts sio, and i could say that faith has major factors in it as well.
in the same way we believe how the apostles of Chirst lived an extraordinary Christian life...
you can reserach about the life of Catholic saints,and you can see if they lived an ordinary Christian life it not extraordinary.qouting some people's lives as extraordinary has nothing to do with judgement i think.
its just like saying that i knew a Christian who recently passed, who led a Christ like life..
in the same way we are confident enough to talk about St.Paul's life

Abraham and Mosses are the CHOSEN ones by God Yet you cant read anywhere in the Bible that teach us to ask them to mediate us to God especially when they already dead. Or maybe you can post some verse that Jesus told his Apostle to ask certain people to mediate them to God after that someone is dead.

How do you know they don't pray for us? of course they can't mediate since Jesus is the only mediator..but can't they intercede once they're dead?(physically)

and it would also matter how we interpret the word Dead.
"‘And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God said to him, "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"? He is not God of the dead, but of the living . . .’" (Mark 12:26-27) God mentioned departed faithful servants

so once a Christian dies, God is no longer his God? for He is already dead.
but if dead means spiritual death then perhaps it would make sense and would also mean that even if the faithful is physically dead, that person is very ALIVE in Christ, john3:16
all the more death strengthens the bond between God and man
for we know that God is spirit and we can only worship Him in spirit and in truth...when we die, the physical barrier between us and God is destroyed.

does it mean that once a Christian or a prophet dies, automatically the attachment with the living will also be broken?
what about Moses and Elijah appearing on the Mount of Transfiguration to talk to Jesus, while Peter, James, and John were present (Mt 17:1-3 / Mk 9:4 / Lk 9:30-31).
the two "witnesses" of Rev 11:3-13 are saints who had come back to life
"Many bodies of the saints" came out of their graves after Jesus' Resurrection and went into Jerusalem, appearing to many (Mt 27:50-53)
both are physical occurences

but i think the question is if they can still intercede for us?again, there's no other mediator but Christ. saints can only intercede,nothing more.
verses that supports saints do pray for us
*Revelation 8:3-4 ESV
And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer, and he was given much incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne, and the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel.
*Revelation 5:8 ESV / 7 helpful votes
And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
i know the bible or maybe i havent found one yet does not say literally that departed Christians/faithful can no longer pray or intercede for us...
BUT the bible doesn't say they can't
yes there are verses that the dead can't etc but does the bible clearly states that the term dead really refers to people who departed this physical world?

There are also People same as us, why man exempted man sila? because other people saw them as holy? mao wa naapil?

ang difference sio is ang process..
we don't need crystal balls,cards,padugo-dugo,sacrifice2x and any powers that might not come from God
to ask the saints for their prayers,unlike in necromancy and sorcery which involves consultation of other deities and divine beings which is technically an abomination to the one true God as how the deuteronomy verse states.

1. Because there dead and Jesus or the Bible did Not say that those particular people have the Power to hear our prayers. And because Jesus did Not even told us to Make Mary our Mediator. Kay if naa pa na nga concept, sharo wa jud kahisgot si Kristo nga buhi pa man siya atu?
2. Kay tawo ray naghimu ana nila nga santo dili ang Ginoo. So mahulog nga ni Violate na sa concept nga ang Ginoo ray nakahibalo sa tinuod nga kaayu sa tawo ug way lain kay ang Ginoo ray makabasa sa atung tinuod nga gibate ug pagtuo. If mu ingun ka santos ning tawhana tungod sa akong nakita nya, does it mean nga nakita nimu iyang tinuod nga gibate ug pagtuo? is it the same as Judging other people that they are Bad?

sio, mu agree jud ko, mary and saints are not mediators,but would you agree that they can intercede for us?after all, there are verses that supports that saints do pray..
yes, religion canonizes saints,there are also processes in the same way that any religion puts up doctrines
but i would not expect you to believe in the process because you simply do not buy the idea. and pwede ra pud kaau nimu iresearch ang process how saints are being canonized.
so i really wouldn't equate it with judgementalism.

now with saints not being able to hear us..
mag post nalang kog link sio nga maka explain further which also confirms my POV on the subject.
Praying to the Saints | Catholic Answers

The question is Kinsay naghimu nila as saints? is it Man? abi kay naay gi mention nga saints pwedi bisan kinsa nga tawo atung himuon nga Saints?
And by the way, i dont know which version your are quoting but for Int version it says ELDERS. It may be Abraham and Moses - they are Gods choosen ones Not mankinds choosen ones.

i am referring to the part of the verse where it says prayers of God's people
"8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the PRAYERS of God’s people."
other version used prayers of the saints.
there was even a verse in rev as well that talks about prayers for justice from those who are martyrd...so technically they do pray,it's actually what they do best.
and dili lang pud bisan kinsa himuong santos sio oi...
first, a clear examination of their lives and what they did for the goespel of the Christ. perhaps you can examine the lives of these Catholic saints if they are just bisan kinsa lang..
10 Strange Legends And Images Of Saints - Listverse

you just mentioned that "Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live."

I dont think its the end of time yet, and you cant present a verse that when those so called saint were directly Judged or sent to heaven after they died so i believe they are Not there yet.

Naa nuon sa Bibliya nga ig balik sa Dios Hukman tah TANAN Buhi ug Patay apil na ang so called saints.

that is merely a personal interpretation kay wala sad bya sa bible gisuwat sio nga wala pay nakasaka sa langit.
we both now that the heaven we now know is passing diba?naa pud na sa book of rev, new heaven and new earth...but still heaven gihapun..
so perhaps the saints are there interceding for us while waiting for us to inhabit the new earth and heaven in the last days. the probabilities with both of our claims is just fair i guess. you could be right and i could be wrong...or vice verse....or worse, neither of us are right...Lol we'll just have to be open with thise things...after all, we don't wanna be playing judges right?
just like when we organize a christian event and seminars, there are people intereceding for the participants. it doesnt really mean that God cannot do it on his own..but i'm sure He would prefer it that way
after all He said our love for one another will prove that we are His disciples.

1. Unsay nakalahi ug mu diretso ka sa Dios or Kristo ig ampo instead of the Saints?

nothing really as both prayers are directed to God but the weight does make a difference. its just of the same concept when we ask our friends to pray for us when we can also pray on our own...but in this way we are excercising the sharing of burden, "the praying for each other", the fellowship and the unity.
and i think we can both agree that when we are troubled we go to someone who is more mature than us spiritually to pray for us..it just so happen that catholics asked the elders of the faith who have physically passed but not necessarily spiritually...for God is the God of the living, again we can be dead souls though we are living physically.

2. Unsay advantage if muaagi kag Saints? naa kay verse?

it's not nga muagi ta ug santos for prayer sio, it's just really the same as having others pray for us...but come to think of it..we ask our church leaders who are alive to pray for us but they too are subject to time, and every physical barrier between God and man...who knows they might even forget to pray for us hahaha how much more with the saints diba?, they are more conscious of Godly things, and they are not subjected with time and other physical barriers to God.
i think that's one of the advantages..but it doesnt mean that we have to stop having others pray for us...praying for each other shows our unity and love for one another..having saints to pray for us is more like a supplication

3. Jesus teach us to pray our father, is it Not enough?

if we can pull Christianity on our own, if we can be righteous on our own.
then the prayer would have started with "my Father"
in these evil times, we need each other as one body of Christ.
the saints or departed Christians are STILL part of the body..
if we are the hands, they might be the feet....where Christ is the Head.
many times, the bible mentions about loving one another, praying for each other..if we exclude departed Christians/saints in the "praying for each other" part then should that mean that they are not part of the body of Christ anymore?

[noy]

aw sa ato bay noy bisan kinsang member sa RCC denomination ma Santo Papa man, Ma Cardinal, Ma Obispo, Ma Monsignor or Ma Pari even isa ani ani nila wala nakahibaw kung hantod kanus.a mahaw.as didto sa purgatory? so sa ato pa mag sigi lang tag pamisa hantod hantod ani?

bai defender, di lang nako i qoute tong imung chart ha kay perting taasa...hahaha
kini lang akong i qoute.
during the Catholic mass muingun ang pari..inig consercrate sa wine representing Jesus' blood
"this is the blood of the lamb who takes away the sins of the world, happy are we those who are invited by his supper"
i don't think it promotes that Jesus is NOT enough bai..

and unsay may naa sa purgatory nga Hot seat man jud kaau ni?...hehehe
ok i've already posted verses that actually makes purgatory probable diba?back read nalang bai defender..
naa koy situations nga i raise for you

we know hitler lived a very horrible life diba?all the killings and stuff...plus nagpakamatay pa jud siya
what if Hitler before his last breath, from the bottom of his heart repented and asked forgiveness for everything he had done and accepted Christ as Lord and Savior..
where do you suppose Hitler's soul would be situated? heaven dayun? or hell pud dayun?

now say an aetheist, lives his life according to the law..Loved other people as himself, a very righteous man, does not steal,does not hold grudge, helps people undconditionally BUT does not BELIEVE in God.
he was just making the most of his life.
what happens when this person dies? Hell dritso? what if He repents when He sees God and accepts Hhis fault for not believing...
Heaven pud dritso? but diba wala siya nituo ni God while alive pa siya?

last example,usa ka Christian, openly declares his faith in Christ, whatever he does, pirme siya mu acknowledge ni God
serves in a church,does charity...you know typical christian charity works
but same as ordinary people, repents after sinning, then the cycle begins.
his life has been a battle between rising above or under sin..but the faith is there..
and of course, wala siya nakapatay,wala pud nangabit..wala siya mortal sin kung baga..hahaha
but he sins almost all the time in his mind..hehehe..but generally maayong tao jud.
asa man ni siya padung? heaven dritso? of course di jud ni ma hell kay naa guy faith? plus ni struggle pa jud to rise above sin.

regarding sa imung book bai, it would be best if maka present ka ug link
'cause intruiging kaau nang Catholic book nga muingun nga Jesus is Noot enough...
suwayi gani ug simba sa catholic church bai...naa bay part sa mass nga muingun ug dili enough si Jesus.

[slabdans]

Ang book where the CATHOLIC CATHECISM was sourced out ang gipasabot nako hehehe . Although ang bible outside RCC which are the ones used by the our Protestant brothers has flaws like missing deuterocanonicals and inserting of the one word sa kadtong famous kaayo na SOLA FIDE ni Martin Luther because gi sourced out man na nila sa Hebrew translation.

Akong gipasabot ana na ERROR is , misleading people na ERROR ang teaching within itself tungod kay di siya book na authorized by such . In our case , kay ang graph is CATHOLIC CATHECISM man naka sulat , if di siya authorized to be published then it means himo himo lang siya from somebody else .

Although the book itself needs to be seen , or atleast man lang naay sources na link if available siya as an E-BOOK aron ma check if ang gi present na text kay no more or no less , usahay baya , sipyat lang ug 1 word , lahi na ug meaning ang sentence or phrase.

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