Blessed Pedro Calungsod

[defender_1611]

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Then that confirms na ang book is a CATHOLIC BOOK .

Thank you for the effort of checking it out .

no problem sir spring....

[noy]

@noy: bay noy I have these couple verses which is mangutana ko nimo.

2 Corinthians 13:13 (KJB) "All the saints salute you."

Romans 15:25 (KJB) "But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints."

Psalms 16:3 (KJB) "But to the saints that are in the earth, and to the excellent, in whom is all my delight."

Romans 12:13 (KJB) "Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality."

Ephesians 1:15 (KJB) "Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,"


Now heres my question: Kinsa may gi referrence sa maong mga bersikulo? ang mga patay or buhi?

the ff verses refers to the living saints which we can freely consider ourselves as one, as part of Christ's church
that's why we ask each other to intercede and pray for one another.
what differece does it make with the departed saints when we ask them to pray for us?
knowing that they are now in the hands of God nonlonger bound by earthly pleasures and sin.

[defender_1611]

bai defender, di lang nako i qoute tong imung chart ha kay perting taasa...hahaha
kini lang akong i qoute.
during the Catholic mass muingun ang pari..inig consercrate sa wine representing Jesus' blood
"this is the blood of the lamb who takes away the sins of the world, happy are we those who are invited by his supper"
i don't think it promotes that Jesus is NOT enough bai..

and unsay may naa sa purgatory nga Hot seat man jud kaau ni?...hehehe
ok i've already posted verses that actually makes purgatory probable diba?back read nalang bai defender..
naa koy situations nga i raise for you

we know hitler lived a very horrible life diba?all the killings and stuff...plus nagpakamatay pa jud siya
what if Hitler before his last breath, from the bottom of his heart repented and asked forgiveness for everything he had done and accepted Christ as Lord and Savior..
where do you suppose Hitler's soul would be situated? heaven dayun? or hell pud dayun?

now say an aetheist, lives his life according to the law..Loved other people as himself, a very righteous man, does not steal,does not hold grudge, helps people undconditionally BUT does not BELIEVE in God.
he was just making the most of his life.
what happens when this person dies? Hell dritso? what if He repents when He sees God and accepts Hhis fault for not believing...
Heaven pud dritso? but diba wala siya nituo ni God while alive pa siya?

last example,usa ka Christian, openly declares his faith in Christ, whatever he does, pirme siya mu acknowledge ni God
serves in a church,does charity...you know typical christian charity works
but same as ordinary people, repents after sinning, then the cycle begins.
his life has been a battle between rising above or under sin..but the faith is there..
and of course, wala siya nakapatay,wala pud nangabit..wala siya mortal sin kung baga..hahaha
but he sins almost all the time in his mind..hehehe..but generally maayong tao jud.
asa man ni siya padung? heaven dritso? of course di jud ni ma hell kay naa guy faith? plus ni struggle pa jud to rise above sin.

regarding sa imung book bai, it would be best if maka present ka ug link
'cause intruiging kaau nang Catholic book nga muingun nga Jesus is Noot enough...
suwayi gani ug simba sa catholic church bai...naa bay part sa mass nga muingun ug dili enough si Jesus.

bay noy ugma lang ko reply ani imong gipangutana nako kay naa pakoy lakaw ron.....importante lang kaayo...tubag lang ko ugma bay noy. God bless bay noy...

[noy]

bay noy ugma lang ko reply ani imong gipangutana nako kay naa pakoy lakaw ron.....importante lang kaayo...tubag lang ko ugma bay noy. God bless bay noy...

way blema na bai..cge2x c yah later! Godbless you!

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

kini MODs ei halos tanan verion naa BibleGateway - Quick search: Doubt

All the translations listed are missing the DEUTEROCANONICALS therefore it is not a CATHOLIC BIBLE.

[slabdans]

All the translations listed are missing the DEUTEROCANONICALS therefore it is not a CATHOLIC BIBLE.

ouch nyay sige lng christian ra gihapon ko...thnks

[newbie.86]

What is idolatry?


i·dol·a·try
1 : the worship of a physical object as a god
2 : immoderate attachment or devotion to something

Pictures, and carved images of saints are to be regarded in the same way we treat the pictures/images of our friends or families. When we honor these images in church, we do it in honor of the person it represents. We do not honor the piece of paper or the piece of wood to which it is made of. Likewise, we dont worship it as something with the attributes of God.

Same logic:

When we keep printed pictures of our parents in our room, we keep them in honor of our parents. We are not attached to those pieces of paper. Rather, it is our parents who come to our minds when we see their images printed on paper.

In the same idea, we don't think those PIECES OF PAPER as our parents. And with the same logic we don't see carved images and pictures of saints as gods either.

[newbie.86]

Do you know why there are people like me sounds very strong to push enough label on peoples belief? because I know the truth.
Most of the people will say we should respect each others belief. that is because they are not on the strong foundation about what the Bible teaches. if you stand on this [no one knows the absolute truth] then its natural for a person not to put label on peoples belief. because he is not sure too.

I am not telling base on myself but what the Bible says. if the Bible say that it is wrong, then we Christian also must say that is wrong.

['cause loving one another as ourselves cannot be defined by putting labels on other people's belief
basing on what we know is right or true..] The teaching on the Bible is very contrary from this. If you love your brother you must instruct him if he is doing wrong. To correct a person is a real expression of Love. It is just like a mother chastening her son because she doesn't want her son to be like that when he gets old.

Now I saw that you have your History knowledge about Catholic Churches bloody past. Yes they were the responsible for killing the 60 Million Christians in the dark ages. where is Christianity here?

60 MILLION CHRISTIANS ? ? ?

Your false history has been debunked by honest historians, brother. I am not sure if perpetuating falsehood is an offical doctrine of Protestantism, but it seems so, with your Satanic falsehood and exaggerated claims. If the Pope has ordered the death of 60 Million, nobody would be left in Europe at that time.

Let us set the records straight:

Catholic Inquisitions = five to six thousand people were convicted and sentenced to die in the ENTIRE duration (take note:six centuries) of the Inquisition ALL OVER EUROPE, including the secular courts.

Mary Tudor == executed 300 Protestants


60 MILLION IS A TOTAL CHRISTIAN DISHONESTY IN YOUR PART.



NOW, LET'S SEE PROTESTANT "CHRISTIAN LOVE":

King Henry VIII of England = 72, 000 Catholics
Elizabeth ("The Good Queen Bess") == 50, 000 Catholics
-she initiated the Catholic Holocaust in England

Irish Holocaust == FIVE POINT SIX MILLION IRISH WERE STARVED BY PROTESTANTS
---the very Christian way of the protestant monarch of britain to convert ireland to protestantism but failed.

BLACK SLAVERY -- initiated by protestants in the US despite a papal ban on slavery.

[2stroke]

What is idolatry?


i·dol·a·try
1 : the worship of a physical object as a god
2 : immoderate attachment or devotion to something

Pictures, and carved images of saints are to be regarded in the same way we treat the pictures/images of our friends or families. When we honor these images in church, we do it in honor of the person it represents. We do not honor the piece of paper or the piece of wood to which it is made of. Likewise, we dont worship it as something with the attributes of God.

Same logic:

When we keep printed pictures of our parents in our room, we keep them in honor of our parents. We are not attached to those pieces of paper. Rather, it is our parents who come to our minds when we see their images printed on paper.

In the same idea, we don't think those PIECES OF PAPER as our parents. And with the same logic we don't see carved images and pictures of saints as gods either.

sure ka?

[SioDenz]

sio, we both know that the Bible does not say that no one has gone up to heaven yet.so we really can't be black and white regarding these things.

Mao nay reason we should stick to what Jesus said whom to pray

Imagine this, if the apostles of christ can perform miracles in the name of Christ despite of the fact that they still have a barrier of seeing things fully(physical body and attachment) how much more if they are very transparent with God's glory in the afterlife? again bai, they cannot save us, they can only intercede for us.

They were PERSONALLY Choosen by Jesus which is the son of God and the only one who can read and know whats inside our hearts. You cant compare it to people who are chosen by people that are Not even certain of themselves if God approve what they are doing, big difference.

it depends sio on what our understanding with the word "dead" would be, and how we interpret tthat verse.

We will leave this one as "Open for interpretation"

apart from stories,Historical accounts sio, and i could say that faith has major factors in it as well.
in the same way we believe how the apostles of Chirst lived an extraordinary Christian life...
you can reserach about the life of Catholic saints,and you can see if they lived an ordinary Christian life it not extraordinary.qouting some people's lives as extraordinary has nothing to do with judgement i think.
its just like saying that i knew a Christian who recently passed, who led a Christ like life..
in the same way we are confident enough to talk about St.Paul's life

If we cant even know for ourselves if GOD approves what we feel and did, how much more for other people?
For example kadtung prostitute sa Bibliya nga gibato, If si Kristo ni ingun kung kinsa tong walay sala maoy una mubato, nga wala tay katungod mu Judge sa lain tawo based sa ilang DAUTAN nga gibuhat kay ang Ginoo ray nakahibalo - I think its the same when we say if that person is GOOD and already went to heaven because of what he did. Judgement does not only applied sa pagka dautan, it is applied when u say something about a person based on what you see which is Not enough.

As i said, according to the Bible God is the only ONE that can see whats in our hearts and Mind - And i will stick to that

How do you know they don't pray for us? of course they can't mediate since Jesus is the only mediator..but can't they intercede once they're dead?(physically)

Mao nay reason we should stick to what Jesus said whom to pray

ang difference sio is ang process..
we don't need crystal balls,cards,padugo-dugo,sacrifice2x and any powers that might not come from God
to ask the saints for their prayers,unlike in necromancy and sorcery which involves consultation of other deities and divine beings which is technically an abomination to the one true God as how the deuteronomy verse states.

Bisag unsa pana nga process of tawo ray nagbuhat ana, dako ghapon chance di na perfect. How can you say insakto ang process labi na ug mag involve of FAITH, CONSCIENCE, FEELINGS, THINK - nga wala may tawo makabasa ana KUNDI ang Ginoo. Theres a reason why Jesus told us NOT to JUDGE kay wa tay ability to SEE other peoples heart bisag atu kaugalingon di paman gani tah maka hibalo. The Bible is a Guide, but it also says nga ang Dios ray naay KATUNGOD to say kinsay tarung ug dili.

sio, mu agree jud ko, mary and saints are not mediators,but would you agree that they can intercede for us?after all, there are verses that supports that saints do pray..

I dont know and you dont know also, so Ill stick to what Jesus said because if he says so meaning its ENOUGH na para madungog atung pag ampo. Saints do pray Doesnt mean we can pray to them and they will hear us.

Jesus told us the our father, and he said Baptise them in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. For me its enough na pero if kinahanglan kag lain entity to bring your prayers to God then its up to you.

yes, religion canonizes saints,there are also processes in the same way that any religion puts up doctrines
but i would not expect you to believe in the process because you simply do not buy the idea. and pwede ra pud kaau nimu iresearch ang process how saints are being canonized.

I have no question with the process coz i respect that, my question is with the IDEA and Concept of Sainthood.

that is merely a personal interpretation kay wala sad bya sa bible gisuwat sio nga wala pay nakasaka sa langit.

Thats why we should follow what Jesus Said about directly praying to God who is already and confirm that is in Heaven.