Blessed Pedro Calungsod

[noy]

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sa imo pagtoo wala mo nag worship mga santos or nag ampo?
wala manay problema motoo santo ang sayop diha kay mo ampo ug santos,
i know awer ka ana bai.
kato si moses gisugo to ni Jesus Christ,diba ? alangan si Mang kanor nag sugo ni moses,
kato gud bai gisugo man gud xa sa ginoo,para mao toy tanawon para maayo sila.
naa tay basihan kay naa sa BIBLE
kanang mga images bai naa kay bases nga ingon c Jesus nga ok
pagbuhat og pedro calungsod, or sto niño nga images or sa tanan ninyong images sa santos ?
naa kay basihan ana nga gisugo ni Jesus?
boot2x raman pod mog buhat ana. ipadokol taka unya mang kanor
naa kay basihan? ha?

uu di maau ang ang musimba sa mga santos.

kung tan.aw nim gitudlo sa doktrina sa Katoliko ang pagsimba sa mga santos..it would just mean that you need to do your homework.

wala man gani nimu 2baga akong pangutana.you answered my questions with questions instead.

testinge pud gamay ug backread sa akong examples nga gi cite earlier for psychemaster.
at least you 'd see the other side of the coin.

OT:tabang pa kag dukol bai, i doubt if makaigo ka..pramis! Lol

for your convinience bai,ako nalang ibutang akong earlier post. kindly give your insights about these examples and kindly answer the questions..

as Catholic and as far as the Catholic church is concerned..i do not and cannot recall any in the Catholic church doctrines that we should worship the saints and their images..

we know Dr.jose rizal has a statue in Luneta Park..a person who really honors his noble cause...would visit his statue and talk to him as if he was alive give him flowers remembering what he did for our country...does it really follow that and maong tao nagsimba ni RIZAL?(answer pls)

key words there bai is HONOR and REMEMBERING.

if a pastor or bisan kinsa nga Christian being looked up to passes away( namatay)
knowing that person really led a Godly and exceptional Christian life...
and just in case because of that person's noble deeds..some of his friends and people he helped while he was alive
decides to put up a statue in honor and remembrance for that person...
does that automatically fall in IDOLATRY?(answer pls)

and while that person was still alive, people got used to asking Him to pray for them..
and when the same people happen to pass by the statue and talked to the statue(but we both know that it is not really the statue they were talking to but the image portrayed in that statue) asking him to pray for them to be closer to God...
does that mean nga they are worshipping the Christian/person portrayed by the statue?(answer pls)

Unless,ibutang ta lang ug ang ngan atong tawhana si TEBAN
muginun ang mga tao,,,TEBAN tungod sa imung kaayo...luwasa ko nga malangit ko..plus muingun pa jud nga prehas ra mu ni Jesus
mangluluwas...kana kauban sa kano maoy idolatry....

if putting a statue in honor and remembrance of great poeple is idolatry
then might as well destroy all the statues we see including those who died for our country
if asking people whom we consider more enlightened more spiritually mature than us(priest,pastor,ate kuya..) to pray for us
is already worshipping them then WE SHOULD NOT pray for each other then..(agree?or disagree?)

cge kung buhi pa ok ra...kung patay na kay worship na...
kung naay TAO nga grabe ka Kristohanon samtang buhi pa..HOW MUCH MORE kung patay na!!!
nga kita na jud siya ni Lord...pa ampo man gani ta sa maong tao nga buhi pa pwede pa maksala...

so wala ko kasinati sa Holy Spirit kay magpa ampo man kos santos?
if not for God and His Spirit i wouldn't even be talking about God right now...
i have spent a great deal of time HATING God,church,tradition and religion before coming to know who Christ is

don't get me wrong bai ha, i respect whatever your thoughts towards us...whether we are lost or idolaters...
that's your opinion..again imu pud na..
after all, who is NOT Lost? even the most holy and Godly person alive today still sins...so who are we to say whose Lost and not.

the scope of idolatry is very broad, our families,friends,dreams,pain,struggle,pleasures,si n,feelings,pride,our plans even etc and even our RELIGION can be our idols too..whatever,whoever takes the rightful place of our Lord Jesus is an idol.
and whenever we consider God as a last recourse,2nd choice,last line of defense is already idolatry if you think about it.therefore, who'snot guilty with idolatry?esp in our thoughts.

lastly, kindly give me your insights about this verse:

Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or JUDGES his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor? James 4:11-12

[psychemaster]

kanang muingun ka nga ang Katoliko nagsimba ug mga imahe..dili na siya paghusga?

wala man ko ni-ingon ana brad. ang Biblia mismo mao ang ni-ingon. mao bitaw dili ko mohatag interpretation or explanation.

buhi pa diay ang author ani psyche?

God is the author and He is alive forever and ever.

[noy]

wala man ko ni-ingon ana brad. ang Biblia mismo mao ang ni-ingon. mao bitaw dili ko mohatag interpretation or explanation.

i understand your point bai. but posting that verse in this thread with the nature of the discussion slips an idea of how you interpret that verse..and with your post in another thread with a link that says Catholics contradicting Bible teachings.
klaro na kaau ug unsa imung stand. i'm sorry.

mao i gave examples earlier about Rizal,statues, honoring and remembering, talking to statues...
prayers etc. you that you would at least get another POV. you might wanna give your insights about what i said about them.. kay sa ka taas sa akong gipost ug sa kadaghan nakong gipangutana sa imu..ang first line ra jud tawn imu gitubag..

Can show me where in The Catholic doctrines and dogmas teaches/states that saints should be worshipped.
and that images we create are to be worshipped?

[lepitenkevin]

Kabaw mo mga bro. tungod sa inyong tinuohan kita katoliko, iglisya, born again or unxa pana. wa ta nagkahiusa tungod ana. Same God raman unta ta. Kanang religion sa, Wa jud na na exist sa bibliya huna2 rana sa mga tawo. Even Jesus pag ari niyas kalibutan wa xa gadala og religion. He spokes the word of his Father the Almighty God. And Even Sto. Nino or Calungsod not even mention in the holy bible.di ko athiest mga bai ha? Motoo kog Ginoo pero wa ko gasimba og simbahan. Believer lang ko og Di xad ko moingon nga Christian ko kay Pwerti kabalaan ana nga word kay living like Christ na baya na. Lisod2 xad nang ingon2 ta ana nya permi tas mango ani.ehehehe. Mao xad bitaw gi-ingon sa romans 3:23 kay for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Hahaitz. Mas maau nlng cguro manakop tag mga unbeliever nga tawo cgurado jud ko malipay ang Ginoo nato ana.ehehehe.

[noy]

mao nay kataw.anan natong mga Kristyano...we tend to focus with the minor doctrines
neglecting the major ones..unya ang differences pa jud kay possible ra bya jud nga misunderstanding..(long history of it)
ingnun tag nagworship ug statue..nga kahibaw man ko sa akong heart nga wala jud plus doctrine wise, wala man na ginasugo gud...

sama ra gud nas ingnun ka nga traydor ka,unya kahibaw ka nga dili...
friendship is broken 'cause of misunderstanding..
mao before ta mu attack, or are we even suppose to be attacking?...
huna-huna usa ta oi if are we standing up for the truth? or we simply
are doing what the enemy wants...DISUNITY among the body of Christ...

wa man ko muingun nga sakto jud mi Katoliko for the reason that i know
nga we can never get the fullness of everything..as in 100% knowing...
i think NO one has any right to claim that what HE beleives is the ONLY and ABSOLUTE truth
simply because of the FACT that NO ONE does.

sa mga Christian nga nagtuo nga amu nang giworship ang mga santos.rebolto,mama mary etc..

WALA na namu giworship ang mga rebolto sa santos..
making them does not mean worship them either but in honor and remembrance,representation...etc but NEVER for the purpose of WORSHIP, EVEN and image ni Jesus is NOT worshipped BUT the JESUS portrayed by the IMAGE...i hope we can see the difference.
ang giingun sa bibliya kay ang paglilok ug mugna ug mga imahe para simbahon and gibawal...

kung naa man ganiy Katoliko nga nagsimba ug imahe or santos...dili na nagpasabut nga mao nay gitudlo sa Catholic Church mismo...

suma as Christians we are taught to Love our enemies...HAVE WE observed this succesfully like a 100%?
if we fail, IT doesn't mean nga WALA na gitudlo sa Christianity.
i hope we can see the difference,

[burn777]

nag lalis naman nuon ni...

maigo mo ani tanan ay!

[noy]

nag lalis naman nuon ni...

maigo mo ani tanan ay!

the BIGGEST IRONY! sad but TRUE.

[psychemaster]

i understand your point bai. but posting that verse in this thread with the nature of the discussion slips an idea of how you interpret that verse..and with your post in another thread with a link that says Catholics contradicting Bible teachings.
klaro na kaau ug unsa imung stand. i'm sorry.

mao i gave examples earlier about Rizal,statues, honoring and remembering, talking to statues...
prayers etc. you that you would at least get another POV. you might wanna give your insights about what i said about them.. kay sa ka taas sa akong gipost ug sa kadaghan nakong gipangutana sa imu..ang first line ra jud tawn imu gitubag..

Can show me where in The Catholic doctrines and dogmas teaches/states that saints should be worshipped.
and that images we create are to be worshipped?

taas bitaw kaayo imo post mao maglisod ko tubag tanan. backread sa ko gamay kay bag-o lang ko naabot sa balay. prayer meeting sched man gud namo every friday sa gabii.

to HONOR and REMEMBERING dili ko against ana. kun ang tawo maghimo na gani statue dili sad ko against ana kay as what you've said it is a way to HONOR and REMEMBER him.

ang problema lang kay usahay ang uban instead mo-channel ni Jesus Christ in prayer and petition as He is the only way kay mo-channel naman nuon ug lain unya gibuhatan pa jud ug image/statue para they can talk to him as if he was alive.

i know nga idolatry is not limited sa mga idols kay anything you put priority above God is an idol. same explanation if we make petition/prayer/talk why not to Jesus Christ. anyone/anything epuli ni Jesus Christ will be an idol when in comes to prayer/petition.

when we talk we doesn't mean we pray but when we pray we talk because prayer is talking to God. back sa statue, wala jud ko problem sa talking2x pero when people prayed na or make petition then it is another story.

let's not confuse between talking ang prayer. now that Pedro Calungsod is a saint as declared by the Catholic church.
Do you think people will just talk and will not pray or make petitions through him?

[slabdans]

islidi na ni title d na ni blessed saint na

[burn777]

taas bitaw kaayo imo post mao maglisod ko tubag tanan. backread sa ko gamay kay bag-o lang ko naabot sa balay. prayer meeting sched man gud namo every friday sa gabii.

to HONOR and REMEMBERING dili ko against ana. kun ang tawo maghimo na gani statue dili sad ko against ana kay as what you've said it is a way to HONOR and REMEMBER him.

ang problema lang kay usahay ang uban instead mo-channel ni Jesus Christ in prayer and petition as He is the only way kay mo-channel naman nuon ug lain unya gibuhatan pa jud ug image/statue para they can talk to him as if he was alive.

i know nga idolatry is not limited sa mga idols kay anything you put priority above God is an idol. same explanation if we make petition/prayer/talk why not to Jesus Christ. anyone/anything epuli ni Jesus Christ will be an idol when in comes to prayer/petition.

when we talk we doesn't mean we pray but when we pray we talk because prayer is talking to God. back sa statue, wala jud ko problem sa talking2x pero when people prayed na or make petition then it is another story.

let's not confuse between talking ang prayer. now that Pedro Calungsod is a saint as declared by the Catholic church.
Do you think people will just talk and will not pray or make petitions through him?

dont forget sa maglinya sa simbahan kay mo kiss sa tiil sa statuwa..hikap sa rebolto nya dayon panguros and dagkot kandila nya hug ug sinko sa lata.