Questions for the Atheists

[Peenut]

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if you agree that we cannot see the fullness of morality(right and wrong)..
then why are we sitting on the judgement seat already?

if humans are stupidy is infinite? so how come you rely on what einstein said? when he too was just a man...

bai, ang fullness of right and wrong kai subjective mana... There certainly is wrong and right, you can't deny it.


rely ko kai tinuod man, and makita man pud gyud... bisan ako, naa koi mga nabuhat sa una nga bisan kaybaw ko sayop ako gihapon nabuhat.... naka bantay na ka ana... imposible kaayo'g wala...

[noy]

bai, ang fullness of right and wrong kai subjective mana... There certainly is wrong and right, you can't deny it.


rely ko kai tinuod man, and makita man pud gyud... bisan ako, naa koi mga nabuhat sa una nga bisan kaybaw ko sayop ako gihapon nabuhat.... naka bantay na ka ana... imposible kaayo'g wala...

wala man ko nagdeny nga naay right or wrong..
mao gani akong point..and as a Christian and a person, concerned gani nuon ko about right and wrong
naay absolute right and wrong.but we as humans, need divine influence to access at least a portion of the absoluteness of morality..because the morality we know is relative..(for you sayop,para sa uban sakto and vice versa) so dili nato mareconcile..

so when you mentioned about the brutal killings of the crusaders, i even agreed nga sayop to as far as Christian teachings are concerned diba?
but added nga dili ta ka judge sa ila 'cause wala ta kahibaw sa tanan2x...
lot of things should be considered, like culture sa mga tao sa una, how they deal with things..daghan kaau nga butang...
so dili jud ta ka judge nila...you on the other hand(basing lang sa imung posts, so i could be wrong)
are using their actions to discredit religion or Christianity on the matter...

hence i added, unless we know the fullness of morality, we can never place ourselves on the judgement seat..

about Einstein's qoute...the idea is humbling but self-contradicting if taken literally..
example:
kung mudawat ka sa giingun sa usa ka tao nga infinite ang stupidity sa mga tao...unya ang nagstorya
kay tao pud whose stupidity is also infinite..so kung stupid ang tao, how can you rely on such idea coming from someone who has infinite stupidity(tao)?
so mao gi question taka nga nganu murely ka sa iya giingun...

perhaps what Einstein meant is we should not rely on everything that comes across our minds..
'cause as human beings we will always make mistakes...

mistakes are not the same with stupidity though

now if imung dawaton nga infinite atong stupidity, then how can you trust yourself about your POV regarding religion?
or even sa mga gagmayng butang sa imung kinabuhi?

mistakes that we keep repaeating is not really a proof of stupidity..
it is merely a sign that we need to change our resolution...
and an open mind might be very essential in these situations

like a person who was addicted to drugs and alcohol..
tried rehab, psychological treatment but none of them worked
but tried Jesus, got healed and finally set free from his addictions

like a person who got depressed by loads of problems...
always end up failing when attempts are made to rise above them...
so he took them as a challenge and learned from them...
eventually became thankful for having to go through all the trials for it made him a better person..

[SioDenz]

para nako mao na hinungdan nga pobre ug naghitak ang corruption sa Pilipinas

unsa say rason sa kapobre sa mga nasud sa Africa bro?

[Peenut]

@noy: kanang gi ingon ni Einstein nga "stupidity" kai sa kanang mga obvious na kaayo pero gibuhat lng gihapon... like sa kanang kawatan, para nila, maayo kai mabuhi sila, pero sa norm sa society, dili na acceptable...

trust ko sa akong POV about religion kai mao lng jud akong view.. plainly... (para nimo sayop siguro ko, pero para nako, wa ko nag ingon nga sayop ko... mao lng jud ako gituohan)

kai ikaw ug ang tanan tao sa kalibutan, dili gyud kaybaw sa tanang tubag...

[noy]

@noy: kanang gi ingon ni Einstein nga "stupidity" kai sa kanang mga obvious na kaayo pero gibuhat lng gihapon... like sa kanang kawatan, para nila, maayo kai mabuhi sila, pero sa norm sa society, dili na acceptable...

trust ko sa akong POV about religion kai mao lng jud akong view.. plainly... (para nimo sayop siguro ko, pero para nako, wa ko nag ingon nga sayop ko... mao lng jud ako gituohan)

kai ikaw ug ang tanan tao sa kalibutan, dili gyud kaybaw sa tanang tubag...

ok bai i respect your POV about religion..dili ko kalalis ana dapita..

ask lng ko nimu, as a person who is concerned about right and wrong..

do you think discrediting religion basing on horrible facts and history(crusaders,killings,abuse in the name of religion)
is rightful and just?(this is beyond personal POVs ha, 'cause some people are using the church's or religion's scandals,contradicting acts to discredit religion).

and how much do you know about religion?(by this question, i mean in all aspects..like history,reason,as in everything about religion).

agree ko nga sayop ,bati, ug dili jud na angay ang pagpangawat...
pero calling them stupid is a little off pud..kay it's so easy for us to label them as such
'cause wala ta sa ilang sitwasyon...
possible man gani nga wala cla kahibaw unsay sakto or dili...'cause of irresponsible parenting that has been passed
from generations to generations..victim of poverty and corruption, victim of hate and greed...

actually the religion i know(Christianity) teaches good things about morality.....
it teaches to Love our neighbor as ourselves, forgive our enemies and pray for those who persecute us...
that teaching promotes selfless acts..promotes Love and peace...tan.aw nimu bai, kung sundon na sa mga tao nga teaching..would you agree that our world would be a better place to live in?

though wala lang jud na nasunod sa tanang Christians which makita pud nato sa resulta..
but it doesn't mean nga wala jud na gitudlo...and most it doesnt mean nga wala pud muy nibuhat jud...

that's why discrediting religion 'cause of what the "religious" are doing is a little exagerated(sorry)
'cause it only discredits how people(us) call themselves"religious" but it doesn't discredit religion...

have you ever experienced being judged 'cause of the things you do that other people don't understand?
your musical preference, how you carry yourself, how you react...uu na cla basis for saying such...
but what they are saying does not necessarily match with what's inside you..

if religion caould speak, it would speak exactly the same words that comes out from our mouth when we are judged and misunderstood.

peace ta bai ha, this is just a discussion again, i respect whatever your POVs are..
and no one has any right to take that away from you...diskorso lang ning ato diri

[defender_1611]

sorry....wrong post.

[psychologic]

ok bai i respect your POV about religion..dili ko kalalis ana dapita..

ask lng ko nimu, as a person who is concerned about right and wrong..

do you think discrediting religion basing on horrible facts and history(crusaders,killings,abuse in the name of religion)
is rightful and just?(this is beyond personal POVs ha, 'cause some people are using the church's or religion's scandals,contradicting acts to discredit religion).

and how much do you know about religion?(by this question, i mean in all aspects..like history,reason,as in everything about religion).

agree ko nga sayop ,bati, ug dili jud na angay ang pagpangawat...
pero calling them stupid is a little off pud..kay it's so easy for us to label them as such
'cause wala ta sa ilang sitwasyon...
possible man gani nga wala cla kahibaw unsay sakto or dili...'cause of irresponsible parenting that has been passed
from generations to generations..victim of poverty and corruption, victim of hate and greed...

actually the religion i know(Christianity) teaches good things about morality.....
it teaches to Love our neighbor as ourselves, forgive our enemies and pray for those who persecute us...
that teaching promotes selfless acts..promotes Love and peace...tan.aw nimu bai, kung sundon na sa mga tao nga teaching..would you agree that our world would be a better place to live in?

though wala lang jud na nasunod sa tanang Christians which makita pud nato sa resulta..
but it doesn't mean nga wala jud na gitudlo...and most it doesnt mean nga wala pud muy nibuhat jud...

that's why discrediting religion 'cause of what the "religious" are doing is a little exagerated(sorry)
'cause it only discredits how people(us) call themselves"religious" but it doesn't discredit religion...

have you ever experienced being judged 'cause of the things you do that other people don't understand?
your musical preference, how you carry yourself, how you react...uu na cla basis for saying such...
but what they are saying does not necessarily match with what's inside you..

if religion caould speak, it would speak exactly the same words that comes out from our mouth when we are judged and misunderstood.

peace ta bai ha, this is just a discussion again, i respect whatever your POVs are..
and no one has any right to take that away from you...diskorso lang ning ato diri

mao jd bro noy! peace lang gud.. total pov man ni nato. kon sakto sila then sakto pod ta, asa naman lang ang sayop? wa nay nya e discuss hehehe..

[Tirong-say]

Originally Posted by SioDenz Yes, but the "GOOD DEEDS" you say will be relative on that Belief.

The main problem with that Question is that you need to define first what is GOOD DEEDS. Because when you just say just GOOD DEEDS, good deeds based on what? which guideline we are going to based it upon. Different belief has its own different basis of what is Good and what is Bad. So basically that question is invalid.


Like for example:

If i will have 2 wives, is it Bad or Good?
-the answer would be it DEPENDS. If your a Catholic, it would be a violation But if your a Muslim, i believe it is allowed in some circumstances. So we need to define which belief we need to base.





OT:
There's nothing bad in good.
sorry to mention this, but what you've cited as an example is really bad.

Does atheists allergic with controls,
then how would they adjust with their superiors at work.

[SioDenz]

Kung maghisgot tag morality or Basis of what is Good and Bad, dapat ang mga Athiest mu explain unta sa ilang tubag based on scientific studies, or Scientific Laws, or Scientific Logic. Kay based man kaha sa Science ang ilang belief.

[psychologic]

Kung maghisgot tag morality or Basis of what is Good and Bad, dapat ang mga Athiest mu explain unta sa ilang tubag based on scientific studies, or Scientific Laws, or Scientific Logic. Kay based man kaha sa Science ang ilang belief.

aw ilaha manang belief sad bro, lain sad ng imo.. basin pa d i ma convince nimo sila sa imong belief.. heheh..