Questions for the Atheists

[psychologic]

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God gave us the Law to follow, and According to that Law, Belief in God is an important requirement to be saved. pero ang Ginoo ra ghapon mu judge natung tanan. So if you dont believe in God nya wa ka nisunod sa iyang sugo nya ig kamatay nimu naa diay Ginoo - all you can do is Hope for the best nlan nga maluwas

whats the use of freewill kon naa man d i judgement at the end?

[Xian120]

thanks bai kay you did not take the arguments negatively. mao ganahan jud ko magkiglalis nimu..Lol

it is true bai that the fear of hell and the exciement for heaven is always there once motuo ta anang mga butanga..for sure ka relate ka as you were once a believer pud.
but it is not mainly the reason for my belief,akoa lang ha kay basin naay uban mao nituo lang kay nahadlok..hehehe
though baptized in the Christian faith, had a little knowledge about heaven and hell..but that's it...
so for me it was no big deal..para nako life is hell already so what's the difference...hehehe...
the main reason why i believe in Jesus is out of gratitude..and thankfulness for the new life..
as in the midst of my chaotic youthful days, though no divine influence i too longed for a change, hoped for a new life and a new start..failed at numerous attempts but only pulled it through after surrendering to God...
for me it true that we find freedom from surrendering
bible knowledge,religion and Christianity knowledge
even the idea of gaining all and loosing nothing in believing sinked in later...
i first believed without sufficient knowledge about God...but it was just Him that left untried
so i would have to disagree that the belief in God creates barriers about free thinking..
for a wise man once said, freedom does not consist of being able to do what we want
but being able to do what we ought..i take side on this qoutation 'cause in Christianity it is where i found peace
and freedom in thoughts. which is clearly the opposite with your POV..
this is real enough for me maybe just as much as yours is...so therefore the possibilities are parallel...

now, regarding pascal's wager..i see it as a logical warning about what to believe...
'cause it may sound condemning but i think we can both agree that it does make sense..
i agree that believing a certain belief out of fear is a blind faith..but apparently fear and ignorance is not the only reason why people believe.

'coz it's not to be negatively taken.. as long as dili nko ma feel nga personal attack nang imoha it wont matter to me.

First of all i would like to redefine atheism for the sake of those who are misconceived by it.. atheism is not only about not believing in a God, and atheism ought not to be seen in parallel with religion or to any school of thought for that matter.. putting a name on atheism in the first place gives it an independent region of thought and placed it in the position not different from any belief, but we have to put a name on it somehow.. Atheism is believing what is physically true, and it doesnt concern itself in Philosophy, so when i talk about Philosophy and human perception i am not talking in behalf of atheism but in behalf of myself..

Atheism is believing that all phenomena has an explanation, but explanations are not yet complete because our knowledge about the universe is not yet complete, and we cant just yet say that there is God we can only suspend that assumption for the time being and say that there is no God, not yet.. if ever it is physically proven that there is in fact a Creator we will embrace that fact but will not stop on understanding his existence, 'coz man should not stop..

To be an atheist, one can also be a believer of religion, he can also believe aspects from multiple school of thoughts, for a man to confine himself to a single school of thought is a man born out of poor judgement, there is no such thing as fundamentalism on atheism, each atheist individuals are individuals who hold different perception from different region of thoughts, ako personally came from Christianity and much of my kindness have in its foundations the teachings of my past religion..

i would gladly be at your side and defend the name of God, how wondrous would that be.. but i cannot, my position may be obscure to you but i would rather be in obscurity than be in an isle of people sitting comfortably in the shade, sitting maybe the best way to be but that's just because most of us find it difficult to adjust and shift our paradigm esp when we are used to what we believe and when the other paradigm is vague and obscure, we simply cannot risk ourselves, kay what if? what if this? what if that? this kind of what if questions are the kind of questions that are pulling our strings against change and intellectual development, it is out of fear of the unknown...

to challenge ourselves and to challenge our belief is humanity in its highest accord,. but if one should ask the question what if? well i say what if shifting our paradigm the best thing to do? what if there maybe exist a shade far more greater than the one we are sitting? what if some people could tell you that?..

[SioDenz]

aw..

haha, Science was never used to explain the existence of a God.. God is a Philosophical entity, born in the mind, conceived in the mind therefore exists only in the mind, at least that's what we believe...

It is used by Atheist to Conclude that their is No God
Atheist want to see a Scientific Physical evidence for them to believe that their is a GOD.

[Xian120]

It is used by Atheist to Conclude that their is No God
Atheist want to see a Scientific Physical evidence for them to believe that their is a GOD.

necessity mana sa scientific community to set that assumption aside, so that their judgement and studies will not be clouded by it.. parihas gud sa mga madakpan, assumed innocent unless proven otherwise,. so unless wla pay physical evidence dili sa sila motuo..

[SioDenz]

whats the use of freewill kon naa man d i judgement at the end?

Ug naay freewill naa jud nay judgment kay if naay daghan Choices naa jud nay daghan outcome, Kay if daghan Choices nya isa ray outcome, WAY gamit ang choices. Di man sad ka maka ingun nga gi ilad kas DIOS kay iya man gipadala iyang anak para ipamalita tanan nimung CHOICES ug OUTCOME. So youve been informed na.

So about sa Freewill, God gave us the Freewill do what we want AND included on that freewill is the option to be With Him. So basically God gave you Freedom to Love Him or NOT. And in the End, GOD only want the person who loves Him to be with Him in Heaven. If you choose NOT to love God, then DILI MAMUGOS ang Ginoo nimu pagdala sa langit. Simple as that.

[SioDenz]

necessity mana sa scientific community to set that assumption aside, so that their judgement and studies will not be clouded by it.. parihas gud sa mga madakpan, assumed innocent unless proven otherwise,. so unless wla pay physical evidence dili sa sila motuo..

So when Atheist says There is No GOD, is that a Conclusion or an Assumption?

[Xian120]

So when Atheist says There is No GOD, is that a Conclusion or an Assumption?

it has to start as an assumption inorder to become a conclusion.. since dili mana ma test or wala man tay physical evidence to say that it is true therefore it will always remain an assumption but if facts or tested conclusions are to exist that will somehow overshadow that assumption then we can conclude that that assumption is therefore false and that in itself is a conclusion..

[SioDenz]

it has to start as an assumption inorder to become a conclusion.. since dili mana ma test or wala man tay physical evidence to say that it is true therefore it will always remain an assumption but if facts or tested conclusions are to exist that will somehow overshadow that assumption then we can conclude that that assumption is therefore false and that in itself is a conclusion..

So basically your living your life based on an Incomplete Assumption? based on an idea that can only explain some Portion? have you think of the ODDS of being wrong and the consequences if your assumptions are wrong? - Just want your personal thoughts on this ha.

When you have an Assumption based on Science, there are 2 things that will happen. Either Your assumption is TRUE that there is NO God and your assumption is False so There is a God.

For US human, DEATH is the FINAL end Game, anha makita atung mga assumptions ug belief. I will Not question your belief because its what you choose. But I am just wondering if what if After death your assumption is Wrong? did you happen to think about that?

[Xian120]

So basically your living your life based on an Incomplete Assumption? based on an idea that can only explain some Portion? have you think of the ODDS of being wrong and the consequences if your assumptions are wrong? - Just want your personal thoughts on this ha.

When you have an Assumption based on Science, there are 2 things that will happen. Either Your assumption is TRUE that there is NO God and your assumption is False so There is a God.

For US human, DEATH is the FINAL end Game, anha makita atung mga assumptions ug belief. I will Not question your belief because its what you choose. But I am just wondering if what if After death your assumption is Wrong? did you happen to think about that?

Yes i am living my life in an Incomplete Assumption, but a reasonably testable assumption nonetheless.. Human always relied on incomplete assumptions, some of it grew to evolve and some did not, and what if my assumptions are wrong? well at least ive lived my life with reasonable meaning,. what if your assumptions are wrong?

fear of the unknown is what will lead us to ask, what if im wrong? would you rather give up and stop yourself from seeing and knowing the truth than taking the risk of failure and proudly say to yourself that at least you've tried?.. Are you so afraid of afterlife punishment and so looking forward for reward after death that you will then close your eyes to testable assumptions?

For me death is complete nothingness, but say there is a God and id see him when im dead, well then good coz i have a lot of questions to ask him..

[psychologic]

nawagtang akong duka.. hehehe.. moreeeeeee....