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  1. #2051

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    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    hahahaha..mao2x..

    but di pud sa ing ana bai oi...lain pud kaau murag mahulog way choice and aetheists..when actually
    being an aetheist is already a choice..
    i was merely speaking about my faith and understanding regarding science and God..that's all..besides, nature itself are both complex and in order..that alone is already a mystery..
    that's why i said this God never cease to amaze me...
    but for all we know, i could also be wrong..pero mao lagi, i'd rather lived believing He exists then die finding out He doesnt..
    than otherwise...
    hahaha, mao jud, atoa man jud na nga choice, naa rjud na nto.. hehehe btaw mas comforting manjud kong if we have in our mind nga naay mag giya nato sa atong tanan nga buhaton.. in fact before nko gi give up ang akong belief nkapangutana ko sa akong kaugalingon if i give up na nko nga comfort, i mean all this assurance of heaven and miracles and hope,,.. Godspeed bro..

  2. #2052

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bears Grill View Post
    ^^ @noy, back in my University days in Manila, one of our required philosophy subjects was called Philosophy of Man. There, we were taught Gabriel Marcel's Christian existentialist philosophy. Back then, I was convinced that our longing for something more--or what Marcel calls "metaphysical unease"--points to the existence of its fulfillment, just as hunger points to the existence of food. However, Freud calls this "wishful thinking" and this cannot be a rational basis for proving the existence of anything.
    of course, possible jud nga wala lang na...like psychological lang or unsa...

    ang ako lang di masabtan, why do we constantly long for things that does not exist?
    like if our last breath is the end of us plus wa pa jud ta kahibaw when ta mamatay...then why are inclined to dream big or set high hopes..not necessarily standards but hope.
    and why long for perfection even if we already know that it is impossible...(longing for perfection in the sense that we always strive to improve..)
    and why do we always end up longing for something more when we reached our highest goal..
    for me, it doesn't make sense unless...God is real..

    even before bai, nga di pa ko fan sa Ginoo, in fact i was a God and religious hater...
    i already had these longings...which i fill with a whole bunch of other stuff which left me unsatisfied and all the more confused...
    till i tried God..which reminds me of what St. Augustine qouted "my soull is restless,till it rests in You"
    and the verse in Ecclesiastes 3:11 which said that God has placed eternity in the hearts of men...

    actually karun pako kadungog anang metaphysical unease, which is of the same concept sa atong hunger for food...
    mao ang tao pud ing ana nalang ang di pagka kontento,sakto ba ko bai? hehehe...
    anyway, kasabut ko sa food kay mamatay bya ta kung wa tay kaon...plus makita pa jud nato...
    what i don't understand is nganu maglong ta ug kung possible pa...gusto nato perfect jud...
    maski pag lahi tag prinsipyo..like naay uban...i condition ang kaugalingin not to dream big para di ma dissapointed but it's possible that the idea really is just trying to rationalize the thought and we are just supressing the longing for perfection..(setting realistic goals based on capacities,but it doesn't prevent us from longing for more)
    suppressing the longing for perfection inorder to avoid frustrations,therefore the longing for perfection is still there...
    Last edited by noy; 11-06-2012 at 12:35 AM.

  3. #2053

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xian120 View Post
    hahaha, mao jud, atoa man jud na nga choice, naa rjud na nto.. hehehe btaw mas comforting manjud kong if we have in our mind nga naay mag giya nato sa atong tanan nga buhaton.. in fact before nko gi give up ang akong belief nkapangutana ko sa akong kaugalingon if i give up na nko nga comfort, i mean all this assurance of heaven and miracles and hope,,.. Godspeed bro..
    thanks bai God bless you too..i hope you hang on with those comforting feelings

  4. #2054

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    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    thanks bai God bless you too..i hope you hang on with those comforting feelings
    i already made a decision bro, and it will never be moved,. i choose to hold on to the conviction of what i think is the truth than that shade of comfort that my past religion provides.. i am more in comfort now than i was before.. but thanks anyway

  5. #2055

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xian120 View Post
    i already made a decision bro, and it will never be moved,. i choose to hold on to the conviction of what i think is the truth than that shade of comfort that my past religion provides.. i am more in comfort now than i was before.. but thanks anyway
    choices are meant to be respected bro.. with much respect despite of the differences.

  6. #2056

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xian120 View Post
    Limited manjud na ang science brod, naa man jud mga butang nga di ma explain sa science,. but when you look at it mas daghan man ang di matubag sa religion.. and i think the burden of proof does not lie on those who do not believe, coz what is to prove if you dont believe in it in the first place?
    Tanan pangutana matubag sa Bibliya. Pero kamung mga Athiest di lan jud mu mu accept sa Tubag kay inyung Gusto kay Physical Evidence man. But i respect your belief imu man sad na.

    I wish muabot ang time nga ang mga tawo makasabot nga DILI tanan butang mag explain sa Science or Dili tanan butang mga Quantify ug Dili tanan butang dunay Physical evidence.

    The danger of Science is that History will tell you that Science will always make mistake and will always Contradict itself in the Future. Daghan man ug mga scientific theories ug laws sa Una nga gipang debunk or gipang usab karun kay sayop ang study. I dont think i will bet my SOUL for that inconsistencies.

  7. #2057

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devian View Post
    this might seem a longshot or OT but give me your thoughts...

    ngano earth man gibutang ang tawo? and not mars or any other planet?
    Because Earth is the Most Suitable Planet to grow plants and trees and to have water. Its proven by Science already. Before man is created, God already used Science to create the Universe. Science is there to Explain Gods work in Scientific way, not the other way around

  8. #2058

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devian View Post
    so u be preaching mohammand then and not jesus.
    We will be Preaching that There is a GOD
    Last edited by SioDenz; 11-06-2012 at 09:18 AM.

  9. #2059

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xian120 View Post
    i already made a decision bro, and it will never be moved,. i choose to hold on to the conviction of what i think is the truth than that shade of comfort that my past religion provides.. i am more in comfort now than i was before.. but thanks anyway
    Kung asa ka Happy bro, suportahan taka

  10. #2060

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bears Grill View Post
    ...Back then, I was convinced that our longing for something more--or what Marcel calls "metaphysical unease"--points to the existence of its fulfillment, just as hunger points to the existence of food. However, Freud calls this "wishful thinking" and this cannot be a rational basis for proving the existence of anything.
    wishful thinking tingali sya part kung dili sya typical. But I think the longing for total peace, unity and happiness is felt halos sa tanan taw. Therefore the word of the bible is true that God has put eternity in the hearts of men....kna maoy wala kayo nato masabti.

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