Questions for the Atheists

[Devian]

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Mao bitaw mahimuot ta usahay sa uban atheist bro nga grabe sad ka fundamental kay mangita jud ug ways unsaon niya pag dethroned ang ginoo with his limited mind. Kay ang taw nga totally convinced nga walay ginoo, dili naman magmind anything about God.....threads, topics, etc.

Pero mao sad nuon ni nagdalag lingaw sa forum kay atong makita asa jud kutob ilang denial ba

pasensya na namong mga "limited mind".

kay tungod ani na-ahat ko ug question and the answers does not satisfy me.

[noy]

ask lng ko bro, kana si CS Lewis. kita na na siya ni God? Did God reveal to him na?

every Christian sees God through revelations bro...for i see God through Jesus,through the bible,through people who Love extravagantly, i see God through a lot of things, i see Him through struggle,through blessings in disguise through the wonders of nature and the universe...unfortunately i cannot speak on Mr. Lewis' behalf...but i'm pretty sure he got something out of his search...
otherwise he wouldn't have converted to Christianity from aetheism.

[Devian]

question from an atheist.

if magellan did not come to the phils. and the major religion is muslim, would you be a christian or a muslim?

[noy]

most likely muslim jud..

[Xian120]

i have deep respect with your stand bro and i think the aetheist community should think like you do...

anyway i believe those who do not believe should actually carry the burden of proof bro...
'cause long before aetheism came, the belief of a certain God or gods are already in place...
technically we can associate it with how how science debunks a previously accepted theory
replacing a new theory that disproves the older theory...
if old theory was there is God then new theory comes in stating there is none...
technically the new theory has to disprove the old one before it becomes accepted diba?

regarding confusion in religion bai, i think just like in science pud...we ought to dig deeper before we abandon a certain theory..
i know sometimes religion contradicts itself through its followers...but unfortunately it doesnt imply
that it is really what that certain religion teaches..

matud pang CS Lewis, Christianty if false is of no importance but if true...
is of infinite importance...i question everyday pud bai...i seek to increase my faith every now and then...
i fail most of the time...but i just can't mess up with the idea that if i choose to abandon this faith 'cause of these doubts and questions...what if God is real? i think it is more practical than concluding otherwise?

bai, don't get me wrong ha...i respect your stand..i only contradict with your idea
because that is of course the essence of this discussion.

mostly parihas man nko bro, cguro if arogante ang tawo bisan asa siya ibutang o gituohan arogante jud cguro gihapon na siya except kong iyang usbon iyang kaugalingon..

i think science right now (if that's what you are referring) is not at all aiming of disproving God bro, nor is it expecting of finding him,. and no bro, science as i see it is not about disproving theories bro, it's about proving them.. kong asa ang suitable mao na ilang pilion, of course after much deliberation and comparison.. religion on the other hand do not work that way.. and i find it unreasonable if i choose to believe in a God coz science have not proven it yet.. Pascal's wager is a safe deal..

ok ra bro, non taken, istorya gud ni hehe

[noy]

mostly parihas man nko bro, cguro if arogante ang tawo bisan asa siya ibutang o gituohan arogante jud cguro gihapon na siya except kong iyang usbon iyang kaugalingon..

i think science right now (if that's what you are referring) is not at all aiming of disproving God bro, nor is it expecting of finding him,. and no bro, science as i see it is not about disproving theories bro, it's about proving them.. kong asa ang suitable mao na ilang pilion, of course after much deliberation and comparison.. religion on the other hand do not work that way.. and i find it unreasonable if i choose to believe in a God coz science have not proven it yet.. Pascal's wager is a safe deal..

ok ra bro, non taken, istorya gud ni hehe

thanks bai, sorry if you misunderstood my statement...what i meant about disproving older theories was just in response about what you said about the burden of choice..but yes, i agree science is not at all aiming about disproving God's existence...in fact i believe it's the other way around.
para nako gani bro, science is very beautiful... i see God's wonders from it..

superstition in religion cguro imu gi mean bai that contradicts science...
but not necessarily religion itself.although sa bible we know that scientific terms and details are not indicated
kay para lang nako ha,,the bible records some generic terms esp sa creation accounts...that's why i would rather not take
that literally esp the 6 day creation..'cause a single day could be billions of years for God..
'cause if God was real and He created time, then He is not bound by time dba?

as what Jesus said to His disciples when he resurrected, i will be gone for a while...it was 2000 years ago na...

prehas pud sa God created the universe,that's pretty generic, even the details provided in the creation are still broad..
science on the other hand somehow tries to provide the details about how it was created,pero wa pa jud gani nato ma tuki tanan...the "known universe" is already a massive one...unsa pa kaha tong unknown..hehehe

though nay mga conflicts between the bible and scientific accounts...but there is always a possibility that the reason why
they seem to contradict each other because we simply don't have the fullness of understanding about things yet...

matud pang St. Augustine "miracles are not contrary to nature, but contrary to what we know aout nature."

for me bai, i a am a 100% believer, but i am not 100% sure if what i believe is right honestly,first 'cause i am not all knowing there are at least gazillion things that i don't know about things..at least not until i die..
but i am more than happy to die with this faith..'cause after all if sayop ko at least i lived trying to follow the virtues of a very wise man (Jesus)..i am still searching of course, not searching for God but for understanding...
but this is all i know, this God never cease to amaze me..

St. Augustine said, "believe so you will understand".
that's exactly what i am trying to do...'cause if i have to understand first before i believe...
i don't have the luxury of living forever...after all, i think we can all agree that Jesus' teachings are more than enough
to live a good life and good relationships with people..
only i am more concerned about the things to come, after this life...if it is true...
then if i work for earthly riches, i ought to work harder for the heavenly ones...

[Devian]

most likely muslim jud..

so u be preaching mohammand then and not jesus.

[Xian120]

thanks bai, sorry if you misunderstood my statement...what i meant about disproving older theories was just in response about what you said about the burden of choice..but yes, i agree science is not at all aiming about disproving God's existence...in fact i believe it's the other way around.
para nako gani bro, science is very beautiful... i see God's wonders from it..

superstition in religion cguro imu gi mean bai that contradicts science...
but not necessarily religion itself.although sa bible we know that scientific terms and details are not indicated
kay para lang nako ha,,the bible records some generic terms esp sa creation accounts...that's why i would rather not take
that literally esp the 6 day creation..'cause a single day could be billions of years for God..
'cause if God was real and He created time, then He is not bound by time dba?

as what Jesus said to His disciples when he resurrected, i will be gone for a while...it was 2000 years ago na...

prehas pud sa God created the universe,that's pretty generic, even the details provided in the creation are still broad..
science on the other hand somehow tries to provide the details about how it was created,pero wa pa jud gani nato ma tuki tanan...the "known universe" is already a massive one...unsa pa kaha tong unknown..hehehe

though nay mga conflicts between the bible and scientific accounts...but there is always a possibility that the reason why
they seem to contradict each other because we simply don't have the fullness of understanding about things yet...

matud pang St. Augustine "miracles are not contrary to nature, but contrary to what we know aout nature."

for me bai, i a am a 100% believer, but i am not 100% sure if what i believe is right honestly,first 'cause i am not all knowing there are at least gazillion things that i don't know about things..at least not until i die..
but i am more than happy to die with this faith..'cause after all if sayop ko at least i lived trying to follow the virtues of a very wise man (Jesus)..i am still searching of course, not searching for God but for understanding...
but this is all i know, this God never cease to amaze me..

St. Augustine said, "believe so you will understand".
that's exactly what i am trying to do...'cause if i have to understand first before i believe...
i don't have the luxury of living forever...after all, i think we can all agree that Jesus' teachings are more than enough
to live a good life and good relationships with people..
only i am more concerned about the things to come, after this life...if it is true...
then if i work for earthly riches, i ought to work harder for the heavenly ones...

haha parihas mani sauna..

well kong asa ka happy bro, mao raman jud na ang purpose nato, para malipay ta..

since we cant disprove the existence of God, we have every right to associate him with everything.. kong ma proven ang multiverse pwede ta moingon nga ang Ginoo ang gahimo ana.. kong mga proven ang evolution pwede ta moingon nga tool na sa Ginoo to make life.. why not dba?

Jesus was indeed a wise "man"..

[noy]

so u be preaching mohammand then and not jesus.

most likely..or i could be an aetheist...

[noy]

haha parihas mani sauna..

well kong asa ka happy bro, mao raman jud na ang purpose nato, para malipay ta..

since we cant disprove the existence of God, we have every right to associate him with everything.. kong ma proven ang multiverse pwede ta moingon nga ang Ginoo ang gahimo ana.. kong mga proven ang evolution pwede ta moingon nga tool na sa Ginoo to make life.. why not dba?

Jesus was indeed a wise "man"..

haha...mao most likely ing ana jud na...so mao di jud ko moconsider nga ang science mu contradict sa Ginoo...
'cause after all...we haventdiscovered everything yet and most of all our finite minds could never fathom or assume
attributes of the Infinite..

regarding Jesus being wise bai, does it follow that tou perceived Him to be a moral person or a teacher as well apart from being wise?..