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    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    unsa kahay rason tan.aw nimu bai nganu si mother theresa ingun ato ka grabe ug compassion?
    if only lang tanang tao parehas niya then the world would be a better place to live in
    diba si mother thersa mutuo tog bible?and diba iyang greatest influence is si Jesus?

    this is one of her famous qoutations
    "Many people mistake our work for our vocation. Our vocation is the love of Jesus. "

    can a hoax produce such love as this?
    mother theresa was a hoax.

    "Mother Teresa was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction." - Christopher Hitchens

    Mother Theresa: Blessed Billionaire, Holy Hypocrite

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    Lol ...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by _hizuka_ View Post
    kana bai gud kaayo na bai ... karon nong, kung magkasakit mo nong or kung naa sa critical ang kahimtang pili sa duha asa imong buhaton: 1. magpahospital.. or 2. magprayer? ... remember bai nakabutang sa bible:

    Matthew 21:22 "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer."
    Mark 11:24 "Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours"


    so,........asa man ka? sa number 1 or 2?

    remember nong, prayer ra ang gibutang diha nong,. prayer....
    kana lang sa dili lang nako isa-isahon ang imong taas na article kay naay mga pangutana na dili nimo matubag malaktawan.

    @gshukaku, nong, dili mana purely yaga2x akoa bai,.. a test of faith na sa ilaha bai...kay para makarealize sila ba or makaana sila sa ilang huna2x "Hala? tama noh? tama diay c hizuka noh?, pero dili lang ko pahalata kay naa mn koy pride" ..
    naa man kay point bai, pero we cannot be black and white on these scriptures...

    to answer your question...since i believe that God will give everything(everything i ask in the state of grace,'cause i could ask for something that is very unholy) i ask in prayer..
    and i also believe that faith without action is a dead faith...

    so i would have to choose both1 and 2 ok raman kaha nimu? Lol

    1,magpahospital ko 'cause i need to take care of my body..and for ME, for me ha
    i need to be alive kay daghan pa ko ug angay buhaton...
    2.magpray ko 'cause labaw sa tanan, wala koy control sa panghitabo..
    i would ask God to heal me but if ang sitwasyon nako kay 3weeks nalang impas nako..
    ngita kog second 2nd opinion,3rd opinion..Nth opinion unya mao ra gihapun...
    well di nako mag ampo nga maayo pa...ako nalang isalig sa Ginoo tanan..
    salig analgn ko nga siya maoy mas labing nakahibaw ug unsay mas maayo para nako...

    7years ago, na hospital ko..raptured appendicitis...ang appendicitis di man na kuyaw kung dili raptured meaning ning buto...
    pagboto wala pa jud ko naoperahan dayun 'cause wala pa ko nagpahospital dayun..sa hospital,gi prangkahan kos doctor nga
    paningkamotan nila nga maapas ang mga kagaw ug nisulti cla nga seryoso ang sitwasyon...
    PLUS i knew people who died because of a raptured appendicitis...
    so knowing that my chances are THIN..and knowing nga perti pa nakong daghana ug angay buhaton...
    ngayo pasasylo sa akong pamilya ang perti nakong dakoag sala nila ato...
    nisalig nalang kos Ginoo nga ok Lord...Let Your will be Done...i trust that you know what's best for me...
    that was my prayer in the OR...
    few hours after...i woke up...oi buhi paman diay ko...

    going back sa verse nga imung qoute:matthew 21:22

    mas maau cguro ug ato puf ibutang ang kina tibuk.an ang paragraph..para mas maklaro

    Matthew 21:19-25
    19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.

    20 When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. “How did the fig tree wither so quickly?” they asked.

    21 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”

    kanang muabut ang time nga makapangayo ka nya ihatag dayun sa GInoo...
    kung pa literalay lang pud imung gusto...
    naa nay certain requirement...basaha ang kinatibuk.an nga pasage bai..
    notice the words faith and doubt? mao bitaw everytime after mu heal si Jesus
    muingun siya "go your faith has healed you".

    plus sometimes ang atong prayer, though nag pray ta..selfish pa jud atong prayer...
    puros pangayo,pangayo..murag mas maayo pa nuon tas Ginoo...

    mao bitaw nga Gitagaan tag outline ni Jesus how to pray...
    kanang our father..diba perting layoa ra sa our father nga prayer
    ikompara sa atong mga prayer...
    ang our father, kay naa jud nang Your will be done...

    pasayloa ko bai if you think i'm doing this for pride. i might have said things nga nakalain sa imu...
    i'm simply doing this 'cause this is what i believe is true and i believe i should share that faith
    whenever i have the chance to do so
    Last edited by noy; 11-02-2012 at 09:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badjaw View Post
    mother theresa was a hoax.

    "Mother Teresa was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction." - Christopher Hitchens

    Mother Theresa: Blessed Billionaire, Holy Hypocrite
    ok ra na bai, si Jesus btaw kay giingnan sa mga tao sa una nga nayawaan...
    may nalang nang holy hypocrite kaysa nayawaan...Lol

    well kung tinuod man gani nang kang mother theresa, it won't discredit Christianity and its teachings
    but i seriously doubt its true...

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    lol. gift from god daw ang suffering nya pagkasakit niya kay nagpatambal, sa US pa jud. lels.

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    mao ba bai? as in proven na jud na siya nga tinuod? like how many percent true is that?
    about mother theresa being hypocrite bah....not the medical attention part

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    klaro kaau nga wala gibasa ang article ay. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noy View Post
    naa man kay point bai, pero we cannot be black and white on these scriptures...

    to answer your question...since i believe that God will give everything(everything i ask in the state of grace,'cause i could ask for something that is very unholy) i ask in prayer..
    and i also believe that faith without action is a dead faith...
    pakibasa daw usab sa duha ka verse na akong gibutang boss... nakabutang diha unsa ka powerful kuno ang prayer + faith alone,
    Quote Originally Posted by noy
    so i would have to choose both1 and 2 ok raman kaha nimu? Lol

    1,magpahospital ko 'cause i need to take care of my body..and for ME, for me ha
    i need to be alive kay daghan pa ko ug angay buhaton...
    2.magpray ko 'cause labaw sa tanan, wala koy control sa panghitabo..
    i would ask God to heal me but if ang sitwasyon nako kay 3weeks nalang impas nako..
    ngita kog second 2nd opinion,3rd opinion..Nth opinion unya mao ra gihapun...
    well di nako mag ampo nga maayo pa...ako nalang isalig sa Ginoo tanan..
    salig analgn ko nga siya maoy mas labing nakahibaw ug unsay mas maayo para nako...
    tuara bai, nagcontradict na imong belief bai, unsa naman nahitabo sa powerful na prayer + faith bai? nganong nasagulan naman og action sa hospital? pakibasa ragud sa usab sa verse na akong gihatag.....

    Quote Originally Posted by noy
    7years ago, na hospital ko..raptured appendicitis...ang appendicitis di man na kuyaw kung dili raptured meaning ning buto...
    pagboto wala pa jud ko naoperahan dayun 'cause wala pa ko nagpahospital dayun..sa hospital,gi prangkahan kos doctor nga
    paningkamotan nila nga maapas ang mga kagaw ug nisulti cla nga seryoso ang sitwasyon...
    PLUS i knew people who died because of a raptured appendicitis...
    so knowing that my chances are THIN..and knowing nga perti pa nakong daghana ug angay buhaton...
    ngayo pasasylo sa akong pamilya ang perti nakong dakoag sala nila ato...
    nisalig nalang kos Ginoo nga ok Lord...Let Your will be Done...i trust that you know what's best for me...
    that was my prayer in the OR...
    few hours after...i woke up...oi buhi paman diay ko...
    tuara bai, kabalo man diay ka na naay CHANCES bai.. hehehe walay kinalaman ang gituohan nimo na ginoo diha bai... mao2x ra na sa kung magitsa ka og peso coin, naay chances na heads or tails,..in your case naay chance na mamatay ka or mabuhi depende sa skills and experience sa nagopera sa imoha.....

    Quote Originally Posted by noy
    going back sa verse nga imung qoute:matthew 21:22

    mas maau cguro ug ato puf ibutang ang kina tibuk.an ang paragraph..para mas maklaro

    Matthew 21:19-25
    19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.

    20 When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. “How did the fig tree wither so quickly?” they asked.

    21 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”

    kanang muabut ang time nga makapangayo ka nya ihatag dayun sa GInoo...
    kung pa literalay lang pud imung gusto...
    naa nay certain requirement...basaha ang kinatibuk.an nga pasage bai..
    notice the words faith and doubt? mao bitaw everytime after mu heal si Jesus
    muingun siya "go your faith has healed you".
    so bai, nagadoubt jud diay ka sa prayer bai? kay dili man ka mosalig sa prayer + faith ALONE.. mao nanang gisulti nako bai, ang mga bible fanatics puro ra istorya, kung naa na gani mahitabo sa REAL life molukso dayon na sila sa SCIENCE.. LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by noy
    plus sometimes ang atong prayer, though nag pray ta..selfish pa jud atong prayer...
    puros pangayo,pangayo..murag mas maayo pa nuon tas Ginoo...
    aw alangan, mao mana purpose sa prayer bai ang mangayo kag something sa iyaha, like mangayo kag protection sa ginoo para safe ka og mong family sa mga dautang elemento, or mangayo kag pasaylo sa ginoo, or mangayo kag tabang sa ginoo na tabangan niya ang mga naglisod na tao...... pero ang nahitabo? unsa man? molihok ra gihapon diay ta bai. ako dugay nako walay prayer2x,.. pero guess what? nakagraduate ko, nakapasar ko sa mga quizes, exams, etc.. ang uban nakong classmate mga DYOSNON nangabagsak mopasangil dayon nga kulang pa ilang faith ..ako man gani walay faith2x anang ilang gituohan kagraduate man gani
    ang point nako diha bai is, kita2x ra gihapon ang makaluwas og makaimprove sa atong kinabuhi bai,. parihas sa imong experience regarding adik2x bai, ikaw ray nakapaluwas sa imong sarili kay WILLING ka mausab bai...
    Last edited by _hizuka_; 11-02-2012 at 10:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badjaw View Post
    klaro kaau nga wala gibasa ang article ay. lol.
    hahaha! akong gibasa oi..it's just that i didn't see any confirmation from history sites..
    and i didn't see sources of the article pud

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    Quote Originally Posted by _hizuka_ View Post
    pakibasa daw usab sa duha ka verse na akong gibutang boss... nakabutang diha unsa ka powerful kuno ang prayer + faith alone,

    tuara bai, nagcontradict na imong belief bai, unsa naman nahitabo sa powerful na prayer + faith bai? nganong nasagulan naman og action sa hospital? pakibasa ragud sa usab sa verse na akong gihatag.....


    tuara bai, kabalo man diay ka na naay CHANCES bai.. hehehe walay kinalaman ang gituohan nimo na ginoo diha bai... mao2x ra na sa kung magitsa ka og peso coin, naay chances na heads or tails,..in your case naay chance na mamatay ka or mabuhi depende sa skills and experience sa nagopera sa imoha.....


    so bai, nagadoubt jud diay ka sa prayer bai? kay dili man ka mosalig sa prayer + faith ALONE.. mao nanang gisulti nako bai, ang mga bible fanatics puro ra istorya, kung naa na gani mahitabo sa REAL life molukso dayon na sila sa SCIENCE.. LOL


    aw alangan, mao mana purpose sa prayer bai ang mangayo kag something sa iyaha, like mangayo kag protection sa ginoo para safe ka og mong family sa mga dautang elemento, or mangayo kag pasaylo sa ginoo, or mangayo kag tabang sa ginoo na tabangan niya ang mga naglisod na tao...... pero ang nahitabo? unsa man? molihok ra gihapon diay ta bai. ako dugay nako walay prayer2x,.. pero guess what? nakagraduate ko, nakapasar ko sa mga quizes, exams, etc.. ang uban nakong classmate mga DYOSNON nangabagsak mopasangil dayon nga kulang pa ilang faith ..ako man gani walay faith2x anang ilang gituohan kagraduate man gani
    ang point nako diha bai is, kita2x ra gihapon ang makaluwas og makaimprove sa atong kinabuhi bai,. parihas sa imong experience regarding adik2x bai, ikaw ray nakapaluwas sa imong sarili kay WILLING ka mausab bai...
    sa ato pa bai, kahibaw jud ka sa detalye sa akong kinabuhi..giunsa pag kagot sa akong ngipun para lang mausab?pero wala gihapun ko mausab..sa ato pa naka hibaw ka sa details sa transformation sa akong kinabuhi from almost aetheist,100% Church hater to something very opposite? 'cause you seem to know more about myself more than i do..
    so are you saying that i would have to throw everything i went through to know that God really cares when you don't even know who i am?how my past looked like..you were not even there sa kadtong times nga pwede na ko mupatay ug tao nga mu istorya nako about church2x...tsktsktsk...mao nay giingun nga "easy for you to say"..

    about the contradiction,i respect your opinion..but is there at least a posibility nga ning contradict para nimu 'cause there are things that you did not understand?

    since you dearly find people who believe in God illogical(in the sense that belief in God is only a state of mind )...try to examine the lives of these people
    from this link..what kind of life they lead before converting to Christianity..
    you might be surprise that many who are even smarter than us
    accepted God..they must have found something that we failed to see...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_atheism
    Last edited by noy; 11-02-2012 at 10:54 PM.

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