ALL SOULS DAY. How true is this?

[defender_1611]

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Yes bro..

OT: were the same brother. nice to meet you. and also bro breakeven. nice to meet you brother.

[Breakeven]

its a blessing to have you and other christians in the forum bro....God bless!

[defender_1611]

No, dili tanan taw ma imperno padulong tungod kay dili siya clean or holy. And that is the purpose of purgatory..

Also, we are not going to interpret it literally, but correctly.. (at least as what the early church fathers interpret it - dili ni ako)

balik ta sa (Revelation 21:27) But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

kabantay ka nga ang duha ka exclusions from heaven was separated by the word "nor"?

One, that “nothing unclean shall enter” into Heaven.
Two, that unrepentant sinners won't enter Heaven (those who continue to practice “abomination or falsehood”).

kanang ika duha mao nay padulong gyud sa imperno. ug ang una mao nay makahapit gyud sa purgatory. kabantay ka "nothing unclean" dili "no one unclean"? so ang sin ra diay dili makasulod pero ang sinner nga maclean na pwde na makasulod. mao na ang process of purging away our sins..

kana imong ingon nga blood of christ, atonement of our sins, tinuod pod na.. we are already cleansed by Jesus blood in the cross.. pero nganong gitahasan paman gihapon ni kristo ang iyang mga disciples to forgive sins? kuwang pa diay ang blood of christ?

bitaw, Christ's shed blood atones for our past sins. In fact, atonement means reconciliation. The Day of Atonement symbolizes the reconciliation of God and all humanity. pero naa tay gitawag ug VENIAL sins nga makuha nato sa buhi pata.. that's the reason naay purgatory..

ang bibliya bro wala ga hisgot ug mortal or venial sins. kay kanang duha pareho ra nang sala. madako o ma gamay man ang imong sala, sa atubangan sa DIOS sala ra gihapon na siya. kani pod imong gi hisgot na purgatoryo wala mana na latad or nahisulat sa biblya bro kay duha ra man ang kapa ingnan sa taw langita ba or impyerno. kanang purgatoryo na term na bro sama ra na sa usa ka kanta bah "gi purga si toryo". kay kana imong purgatory bro na gi ingon usa na ka dakong bakak. tan.awa ni ug basaha ni akong reference bro.

Catholic Purgatory is a Lie!

Indulgences are Silly and Useless

How many times have people seen RCC apologists argue that the Roman Catholic church worships only God, while merely venerating Mary and the lesser deities in the Catholic Pantheon?

They are wont to inform us, at times waspishly, that prayers offered to earth mother Mary and the Catholic saints are to seek their help and support before the Lord God. No Catholic, we are assured, ever renders worship to Mary, much less a mere saint.

Of course, any reasonable person rejects this denial as nothing more than an exercise in semantics. As often has been declared here, and elsewhere, when a person kneels before an image of a saint, lights a candle as an offering and drops a few coins or bills in the handy offering box, then looks adoringly at the statue or icon and prays fervently to the soul of the dead person represented by the image – that is worship.

2692. In prayer, the pilgrim Church is associated with that of the saints, whose intercession she asks.--Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), (C) 1994/1997 United States Catholic Conference, Inc.

The Catholic church certainly is associated with her minor deities in the matter of prayer. So much so, in fact, that she rewards those who will humble themselves before these demigods and seek their favors in sophomoric and hyperbolic prayer. Consider this prayer, composed by a Doctor of the Church, Alphonsus de Ligouri:

O Saint Teresa, seraphic Virgin, beloved spouse of thy crucified Lord, thou who on earth didst burn with a love so intense toward thy God and my God, and now dost glow with a brighter and purer flame in paradise: obtain for me also, I beseech thee, a spark of that same holy fire which shall cause me to forget the world, all things created, and even myself; for thou didst ever avidly desire to see Him loved by all men. Grant that my every thought and desire and affection may be continually directed to doing the will of God, the supreme Good, whether I am in joy or in pain, for He is worthy to be loved and obeyed forever. Obtain for me this grace, thou who art so powerful with God; may I be all on fire, like thee, with the holy love of God. Amen.

Faithfully praying this prayer is to be rewarded with 300 days indulgence, or remission of temporal punishment for sin and the satisfaction owed to God. The neat thing about indulgences is that they are like Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free" cards and can be used for oneself or for the benefit of a soul in Purgatory. Kind of a twist on the prayers for the dead angle.

Should the prayerful Catholic dutifully and devoutly prayer this cloying little prayer for a full month, he is rewarded with a plenary, or full, indulgence – assuming, of course, that he fulfills all the other requirements for such a mercy.

The concept is mind-boggling. We know from Scripture that nothing impure can enter into the presence of God. We know from Scripture that God hates sin and that the punishment for unremitted sin is eternity separated from God. According to Scripture, there is but one means of atoning for sin – the shedding of blood. But whose blood? The blood of animals does not save, nor does the blood of men. Only the spilled blood of Christ is adequate to atone for the sins of mankind.

Nowhere in Scripture are we told that Christ's substitutionary sacrifice only served to atone for a part of the just punishment due every man for his sin. We are indeed made aware that there are sometimes temporal consequences for our sins (Hebrews 12), but there is no mention of the purifying flames of Purgatory. This is but another Catholic invention – one concocted by the Popes to provide a market for the selling of indulgences during the Middle Ages.

Should God choose to chastise his unruly children, it will be in this lifetime, for at death we go to our eternal home (Ecc. 12:5). Christians cannot accept the concept of Purgatory, for it is nothing more than an advertising gimmick to promote the sale of indulgences. The continuing offering of indulgences, while perhaps no longer a major source of RCC income, still serves the purpose of creating and maintaining dependency on the Roman cult to ease the consequences of sin.

Believers in the Christ of Scripture have no fear of Purgatory nor need for silly indulgences.

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.--1 Thessalonians 5:9-10 (KJV)

[Breakeven]

@necrotic

Brod, there's no need to argue on these things gawas nga OT, this will only build a wall between the believers of Christ. Much better kita nalang mismo mag research kung unsa jud diay ang insakto ani nga doktrina.

Hope this would help....
Does Purgatory Deny the Sufficiency of Christ's Sacrifice? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

God bless!

[SioDenz]

Maypa maghisgot mug BIKO, lami kaayu na karung kalag kalag ?

Binignit, Nilusak na saging.

[necrotic freak]

I understand you @break and defender.. after all, we are still brothers in Christ.

Ok no more OT's. hehe

[necrotic freak]

Maypa maghisgot mug BIKO, lami kaayu na karung kalag kalag ?

Binignit, Nilusak na saging.

maayo pa bitaw! hehe

pero ayaw lang sad tawn ipakaon sa mga kalag oi. kay di nya sila kahilisan. hehe

[defender_1611]

Bro necrotic_freak: tagaan tikag some list ha na inimbento sa taw na mga traditions. see below lang bro with corresponding date pa jud ni. ang makita nimo sa matag ending sa statement bro mao na ang date kung kanus.a na imbento or namugna ang tradition.


LIST OF CATHOLIC HERESIES
And HUMAN TRADITIONS
ADOPTED and PERPETUATED by the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
IN THE COURSE OF 1600 YEARS

OF ALL THE HUMAN TRADITIONS taught and practiced by the Roman Catholic Church, which are contrary to the Bible, the most ancient are the prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. Both began 300 years after Christ.	310
Wax Candles introduced in church. about	320
Veneration of angels and dead saints.	375
The Mass, as a daily celebration, adopted.	394
The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus	431
Priests began to dress differently from the laity	500
Extreme Unction	526
The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great	593
The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, was also imposed by Pope Gregory I. 600 years after Christ The Word of God forbids praying and teaching in an unknown tongue. (1st Corinthians 14:9).	600
The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church (Matthew 11:28; Luke 1:46; Acts 10:25-26; 14:14-18)	600
The Papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas This he did to spite Bishop Ciriacus of Constantinople, who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory 1, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "pope." Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion. (Luke 22:24-26; Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:18; 1st Corinthians 3:11). Note: Nor is there any mention in Scripture, nor in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years; Clement, 3rd bishop of Rome, remarks that "there is no real 1st century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome."	610

[necrotic freak]

Gusto pod ka tagaan tika sa inyong inimbento pod nga doctrina? pero ayaw nalang oi.. mangaon nalang ta ug BIKO.

[defender_1611]

@necrotic_freak: kani discussion lang ni atoa bro ha? ato sa na ipakilid atong mga pride. himoon ta ning tarong na approach para pod ang mga readers naay makuha na mga lessons. peace bro.