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    Quote Originally Posted by bisayang chick View Post
    nah basta sa amo kay mag novena mi pahinongod sa mga kalag.. kay mao man tudlo sa among ginikanan ug sa madre sa skul.
    OK rana basta HAPPY ka

  2. #72

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    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak View Post
    It is better if you can exlpain those reasons instead of giving a link..

    Who authorized your 66 books protestant bible is the correct canon? kay ang book of 2 maccabees man gud gi affirmed man gyud sa mga early church fathers like Origen, St. Augustine, St. Jerome. nag agi ba ni ug council ang 66 books?

    OT naman tingali ni. hehe
    Sure ko Dili katoliko nag approve

  3. #73

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    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak View Post
    It is better if you can exlpain those reasons instead of giving a link..

    Who authorized your 66 books protestant bible is the correct canon? kay ang book of 2 maccabees man gud gi affirmed man gyud sa mga early church fathers like Origen, St. Augustine, St. Jerome. nag agi ba ni ug council ang 66 books?

    OT naman tingali ni. hehe
    It's better to read the link. I can't explain better than what's on the link.

  4. #74

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    Quote Originally Posted by NapoleonBlownapart View Post
    It's better to read the link. I can't explain better than what's on the link.
    mas maayo gyud maka explain ta bisag gamay sa atong link..

    diay simple analogy ay:

    parihas rana sa atong balaod sa pilipinas, tanan gisunod nato nga balaod nag agi ug approval sa presidente.senado ug sa congreso. karon kung ang imong gisunod nga balaod walay approval sa goberno unsay tawag nimo ana?

  5. #75

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    The commemoration of all the faithful departed is celebrated by the Church on 2 November, or, if this be a Sunday or a solemnity, on 3 November. The Office of the Dead must be recited by the clergy and all the Masses are to be of Requiem, except one of the current feast, where this is of obligation.

    The theological basis for the feast is the doctrine that the souls which, on departing from the body, are not perfectly cleansed from venial sins, or have not fully atoned for past transgressions, are debarred from the Beatific Vision, and that the faithful on earth can help them by prayers, almsdeeds and especially by the sacrifice of the Mass. (See PURGATORY.)

    In the early days of Christianity the names of the departed brethren were entered in the diptychs. Later, in the sixth century, it was customary in Benedictine monasteries to hold a commemoration of the deceased members at Whitsuntide. In Spain there was such a day on Saturday before Sexagesima or before Pentecost, at the time of St. Isidore (d. 636). In Germany there existed (according to the testimony of Widukind, Abbot of Corvey, c. 980) a time-honoured ceremony of praying to the dead on 1 October. This was accepted and sanctified by the Church. St. Odilo of Cluny (d. 104 ordered the commemoration of all the faithful departed to be held annually in the monasteries of his congregation. Thence it spread among the other congregations of the Benedictines and among the Carthusians.

    Of the dioceses, Liège was the first to adopt it under Bishop Notger (d. 100. It is then found in the martyrology of St. Protadius of Besançon (1053-66). Bishop Otricus (1120-25) introduced it into Milan for the 15 October. In Spain, Portugal, and Latin America, priests on this day say three Masses. A similar concession for the entire world was asked of Pope Leo XIII. He would not grant the favour but ordered a special Requiem on Sunday, 30 September, 1888.

    In the Greek Rite this commemoration is held on the eve of Sexagesima Sunday, or on the eve of Pentecost. The Armenians celebrate the passover of the dead on the day after Easter.

  6. #76

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    Quote Originally Posted by marqi_20 View Post
    The Office of the Dead must be recited by the clergy and all the Masses are to be of Requiem, except one of the current feast, where this is of obligation.

    The theological basis for the feast is the doctrine that the souls which, on departing from the body, are not perfectly cleansed from venial sins, or have not fully atoned for past transgressions, are debarred from the Beatific Vision, and that the faithful on earth can help them by prayers, almsdeeds and especially by the sacrifice of the Mass. (See PURGATORY.)....
    That will denigrate Jesus'sacrifice on the cross!

    The Bible teaches that the eternal state of mankind is determined by our actions during our lives on earth. Dili nata inosente sa atong mga choices.

    Ezekiel 18:20
    ....The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.

    Hebrews 9:27
    Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment

    Here we understand that no change in one’s spiritual condition can be made following his death, either by himself or through the efforts of others. Mausik lang ang kwarta nga ibayad hoping for his total cleansing. How could prayer for those who are already dead benefit them since there is no post-mortem plan of salvation? None in the bible supports that doctrine.

    The point is that each one of us has but one life....we are responsible for how we lived. Others may influence our choices, but ultimately we must give an account for the choices we make.
    Last edited by Breakeven; 10-23-2012 at 03:16 PM.

  7. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak View Post
    mas maayo gyud maka explain ta bisag gamay sa atong link..

    diay simple analogy ay:

    parihas rana sa atong balaod sa pilipinas, tanan gisunod nato nga balaod nag agi ug approval sa presidente.senado ug sa congreso. karon kung ang imong gisunod nga balaod walay approval sa goberno unsay tawag nimo ana?
    I can't explain better is different than I can't explain. try lang gud ug basa masabtan ra man kay klaro kaau ang explanation didto. Pangutana lang kun naa ka pangutana after nimo ug basa kay suwayan nato ug tubag

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakeven View Post
    That will denigrate Jesus'sacrifice on the cross!

    The Bible teaches that the eternal state of mankind is determined by our actions during our lives on earth.

    Ezekiel 18:20
    ....The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.

    Hebrews 9:27
    Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment

    Here we understand that no change in one’s spiritual condition can be made following his death, either by himself or through the efforts of others. Mausik lang ang kwarta nga ibayad hoping for his total cleansing. How could prayer for those who are already dead benefit them since there is no post-mortem plan of salvation? None in the bible supports that doctrine.

    The point is that each one of us has but one life....we are responsible for how we lived. Others may influence our choices, but ultimately we must give an account for the choices we make.
    unsaon naman lang ni nimo part?

    (Revelation 21:27) But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

    inig kamatay nimo ugma sure ka nga 100% clean naka?

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    Quote Originally Posted by necrotic freak View Post
    unsaon naman lang ni nimo part?

    (Revelation 21:27) But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life. inig kamatay nimo ugma sure ka nga 100% clean naka?
    That's true. And if we are going to interpret that literally, tanan taw impierno jud ang padulngan. Walay mabuhat ang kwarta sa atong kaluwasan part. Bisan billionaryo pa.

    That's what the blood of Jesus Christ can do.....to cleanse and cover us from all unrighteousness when we will face God in Judgment!

    Hebrews 9:13-14
    For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

    Hebrews 9:22
    In Leviticus 17, we read, "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the BLOOD THAT MAKETH AN ATONEMENT FOR THE SOUL." The Apostle, therefore, made no mistake when he wrote, "Without shedding of blood is no remission"

    Sin brings shame in the eyes of God and the perfect blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ) covers it. If you can remember when Adam and Eve sinned against God, theyd open their eyes seeing their nakedness and in shame....and God clothed them.

    21: Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. Genesis 3:1-10,21

    PRAYER SERIES 2: POWER IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST | Tower of Grace Global Ministries
    Last edited by Breakeven; 10-24-2012 at 12:44 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakeven View Post
    That's true. And if we are going to interpret that literally, tanan taw impierno jud ang padulngan. Walay mabuhat atong kwarta sa atong kaluwasan part. Bisan billionaryo pa.

    That's what the blood of Jesus Christ can do.....to cleanse and cover us from all unrighteousness when we will face God in Judgment!

    Hebrews 9:13-14
    For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

    Hebrews 9:22
    In Leviticus 17, we read, "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the BLOOD THAT MAKETH AN ATONEMENT FOR THE SOUL." The Apostle, therefore, made no mistake when he wrote, "Without shedding of blood is no remission"

    Sin brings shame in the eyes of God and the perfect blood of the Lamb (Jesus Christ) covers it. If you can remember when Adam and Eve sinned against God, theyd open their eyes seeing their nakedness and in shame....and God clothed them.

    21: Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. Genesis 3:1-10,21

    PRAYER SERIES 2: POWER IN THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST | Tower of Grace Global Ministries
    No, dili tanan taw ma imperno padulong tungod kay dili siya clean or holy. And that is the purpose of purgatory..

    Also, we are not going to interpret it literally, but correctly.. (at least as what the early church fathers interpret it - dili ni ako)

    balik ta sa (Revelation 21:27) But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

    kabantay ka nga ang duha ka exclusions from heaven was separated by the word "nor"?

    One, that “nothing unclean shall enter” into Heaven.
    Two, that unrepentant sinners won't enter Heaven (those who continue to practice “abomination or falsehood”).

    kanang ika duha mao nay padulong gyud sa imperno. ug ang una mao nay makahapit gyud sa purgatory. kabantay ka "nothing unclean" dili "no one unclean"? so ang sin ra diay dili makasulod pero ang sinner nga maclean na pwde na makasulod. mao na ang process of purging away our sins..

    kana imong ingon nga blood of christ, atonement of our sins, tinuod pod na.. we are already cleansed by Jesus blood in the cross.. pero nganong gitahasan paman gihapon ni kristo ang iyang mga disciples to forgive sins? kuwang pa diay ang blood of christ?

    bitaw, Christ's shed blood atones for our past sins. In fact, atonement means reconciliation. The Day of Atonement symbolizes the reconciliation of God and all humanity. pero naa tay gitawag ug VENIAL sins nga makuha nato sa buhi pata.. that's the reason naay purgatory..

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