Real Teachings of Jesus

[noy]

i cannot say that i believe/don't believe if it is true. i know that it could not be authentic but somehow there are some explanations:

as what i have read, murag wala daw sa bible pag 12-30 years, but naa daw research nga didto siya sa India ug Himalayas. Wa ba pud kaha siya niadto sa sa langit during that time, niadto sa iyang amahan?

source: Lost years of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The lost years of Jesus concerns the undocumented timespan between Jesus's childhood and the beginning of his ministry as recorded in the New Testament.
The gospels have accounts of events surrounding Jesus' birth, and the subsequent flight into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod (Gospel of Matthew 2:13-23). There is a general reference to the settlement of Joseph and Mary, along with the young Jesus, at Nazareth(Matthew 2:23; Gospel of Luke 2:39-40). There is also an isolated account of Joseph, Mary, and Jesus' visit to the city of Jerusalem to celebrate the Passover, when Jesus was twelve years old (Luke 2:41-50).
Following that episode, there is a blank space in the record that covers eighteen years in the life of Christ (from age 12 to 30). Other than the generic allusion that Jesus advanced in wisdom, stature, and in favor with God and man (Luke 2:52), the Bible gives nothing more about Jesus' life during this time span. A common assumption amongst Christians is that Jesus simply lived in Nazareth during that period, but there are various accounts that present other scenarios, including travels to India.
Several authors have claimed to have found proof of the existence of manuscripts in India and Tibet that support the belief that Christ was in India during this time in his life. Others cite legends in a number of places in the region that Jesus passed that way in ancient times.^[1] The Jesus in India manuscript was first reported in modern times by Nicolas Notovitch (1894). Subsequently several other authors have written on the subject, including the religious leader Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (founder of Ahmadiyya movement) (1899), Levi H. Dowling (190, Swami Abhedananda (1922),^[2] Nicholas Roerich (1923–192,^[1] Mathilde Ludendorff (1930), and Elizabeth Clare Prophet (founder of Ascended Master Teachings New Age group) (1956).

according sa imung link bro kay wala man daw ni na proven,daun naa pa jud didtoy isa kadtong saint issa was proven to be hoax..

[noy]

sorry mods and TS, na double post

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

ok bai,i'll try my best..hahaha..yes naa na sa bible...
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'" (Matt. 7:21-23)
-this serves as a warning to those who think they are righteous enough or the hypocrites(those who do good to gain fame,or those who are using God to show off) perhaps..
sa mga religious fanatics who proudly presents their deeds to God as an assurance for their salvation..
but God does not judge physically, He looks at the heart.


"My teaching is not my own. It comes from Him who sent me." (John 7:16)
-diplays humility of Jesus as the Son of Man and His Love and total dependence to His Father.
and that man should boast in his own effort,'cause everything is of the Lord and


"If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but He sent me." (John 8:42)
the answer is JOHN 3:16 bai...if Jesus was not God, how come that we ought to believe in HIM to be saved?

i can consider you explanation bai, of course imoha ra na nga opinion?

asa man dapita sa verse nga naay warning bai? asa man sab niingon diha nga righteous enough? or hypocrites? asa man ang judging physically? and looking at the heart?

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
- wa kaha nagpasabot si Jesus ani nga "dili ang pagtawg kaniya nga Ginoo ang makapasulod sa kingdom of heaven kung dili ang pagsunod sa sugo sa Ginoo"?

"Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"
- di kaha pasabot ani nga daghan ang moingon niya nga Ginoo, gigamit iyang pangalan to drive out demons and perform miracles, then niingon siya in plain statement "wa ko kaila nimo, palayo kanako mga dautan/evildoers"
- di ba daghan kaayo nitawag kaniya ug Ginoo?
- di ba daghan kaayo moingon nga "in the name of Jesus" blah blah blah?
- unsa man iyang giingon, "I never knew you. Away from me, evildoers!"

"My teaching is not my own. It comes from Him who sent me."
- di kaha pasabot ani di siya ang naghimo sa teachings? gikan tanan sa Ginoo nga nagpadala niya? representative ra siya sa Ginoo to spread His teachings?

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

according sa imung link bro kay wala man daw ni na proven,daun naa pa jud didtoy isa kadtong saint issa was proven to be hoax..

let's assume nga di na tinood para naa ta basehan, asa man diay si Jesus pag 12-30 nya? pwede pakihatag ka ug verse and your opinion about this?

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

kana imung gi istorya maoy klaro ang assumption bro..
assumption in a way nga imu gi generalize, it doesnt mean nga it's happening in some of the christian churches...basin most pa gani...wa na nagpasabut nga mao jud na ang actual nga pagtulon.an ug pang hitabo...

gi unsa nako pagkahibaw nga dili ka kahinumdum sa imung past life?actually wa ko kahibaw...you're right ning assume ra pud ko...
but that assumption is bsed in reality..naa kay nailhan nga nakahinumdum siya sa iyang past life?
...and ako mismo walay koy nahimduman bai,maski pagpanganak ni mama sa ako wa ko kahinumdum,past life pa ka?and if naa man ganiy mu claim nga to have memories about thier past lives,how sure are you that it is legit?
and besides like i said, wala pa ko natagbaw sa Christian faith...
so far so good,i still have packs and loads of questions but again, i'm not done with my search yet....
i think i never will..till now new learnings come to place..sa Christian faith pa lang na ha...
kung ako pang apilan ug other teachings, di kaha ko maglibug ug samut? but for now...
being a Christian is the best part of my life

mao bitaw ni suggest ko nga unta before ka mu venture ug other beliefs,why not i sub2x nimu imung kaugalingun sa Christian teachings...ask as many questions as possible...if wa ka na satisfied sa pari, or pastir nga imu giistorya...pangutana ug lain...pangutana mga lay christians...try re reading the bible over and over again...
try to hear other interpretations...like what you're doing right now...
listen to Christian's POV usa before ka mu venture ug other POV...at least you will have
a basis of your comparison.

can you at least share a verse about JEsus talking about elijah and john bai?
in that way, it would be easier for me to give insights...

Was John the Baptist really Elijah? extracted bro....

• Yes, he was Elijah (Matthew 11:13-14) - "For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14"And if you care to accept it, he himself is Elijah, who was to come."
• No, he was not Elijah (John 1:19-21) - "And this is the witness of John, when the Jews sent to him priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?" 20And he confessed, and did not deny, and he confessed, "I am not the Christ." 21And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" And he *said, "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" And he answered, "No."

The teaching of reincarnation is against the Old Testament; therefore, Jesus was not teaching that John the Baptist was Elijah reincarnated. So, what did Jesus mean when He said that John the Baptist was Elijah? We see in Malachi 4:5 this prophecy, "Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the Lord." Jesus is referring to the prophecy concerning Elijah. We see that the coming of Elijah was in the spirit of Elijah, which is so stated in Luke 1:13-17. The context is when Zecharias, John's father-to-be, was performing his priestly duties in the temple (Luke 1:8ff). An angel of the Lord appeared to Zacharias and said,

"Do not be afraid, Zacharias, for your petition has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you will give him the name John. 14"And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth. 15"For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and he will drink no wine or liquor; and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, while yet in his mother’s womb. 16"And he will turn back many of the sons of Israel to the Lord their God. 17"And it is he who will go as a forerunner before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers back to the children, and the disobedient to the attitude of the righteous; so as to make ready a people prepared for the Lord," (Luke 1:13-17).

pls provide your opinion on this:

"And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand."

Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13)

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

asa naman ka dapit sa scientific process bai?

gathering and analysis of data pa bai, medyo layo layo pa ang conclusion ani. need more data pa gyud. i can use your input and other sources

[noy]

i can consider you explanation bai, of course imoha ra na nga opinion?

asa man dapita sa verse nga naay warning bai? asa man sab niingon diha nga righteous enough? or hypocrites? asa man ang judging physically? and looking at the heart?

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
- wa kaha nagpasabot si Jesus ani nga "dili ang pagtawg kaniya nga Ginoo ang makapasulod sa kingdom of heaven kung dili ang pagsunod sa sugo sa Ginoo"?

-exactly bai, ang pagtawag sa Ginoo,or pag ingun nga mutoo ka pero di makita sa buhat is HYPOCRICY.

"Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"
- di kaha pasabot ani nga daghan ang moingon niya nga Ginoo, gigamit iyang pangalan to drive out demons and perform miracles, then niingon siya in plain statement "wa ko kaila nimo, palayo kanako mga dautan/evildoers"
- di ba daghan kaayo nitawag kaniya ug Ginoo?
- di ba daghan kaayo moingon nga "in the name of Jesus" blah blah blah?
- unsa man iyang giingon, "I never knew you. Away from me, evildoers!"

"My teaching is not my own. It comes from Him who sent me."
- di kaha pasabot ani di siya ang naghimo sa teachings? gikan tanan sa Ginoo nga nagpadala niya? representative ra siya sa Ginoo to spread His teachings?

again bro, one can claim that He is saved,and that He is a true disciple of God but ONLY God would know if that person is really who he says he is...
that's why it is important for us to be very keen when it comes to "doing things for the Lord" kuno...
because we might think that we are doing it for God but actually doing it for OURSELVES...
for pride, for without the spirit we might be proclaiming God's word BUT we are actually proclaiming our greatness...
and instead of using our talents to show God, we are now instead USING God to show our TALENTS...

Like some people who tend to be judgemental thinking that they are doing what God wills..judging people by how they look...
when God actually wants us to Love...kanang mga TAWHANA...apil ko...
may fall under the category to those who call HIM and THINKING nga LUWAS na...but actually TAGAK diay...i too have experienced to be a modern day PHARISEE esp when dealing with unbelievers or to people who do not share with the same faith...please forgive me bro if i somehow displayed such act..
that's why kinahanglan abtik ta ug pirme jud ta nagascrutinize sa atong BUHAT...as what Matthew 24:41 says
“Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak
Like kadtong nag ask si Jesus ni Peter if who He was for him..peter answered,You are the messiah,the Son of God..Jesus said Amen i say to you..
Then afterwards Jesus talked about His suffering and that eventually woud be put to death
peter immideately rebuked Jesus stating that it should not be done...
then Jesus replied, Get behind me Satan...the will of the Father is to be done...
so at one time we could be doing things for God, but wihtout Love and the Spirit...we could be doing the opposite...ing ana kalisud ang Christohanong Kinabuhi...lisud but neither IMPOSSIBLE...
we need to check and prat at all times..
if wa ba kaha ko nahimung self righteous or hypocrite na...
the only way to pull it off is to be HUMBLE...and it is VERY HARD for a person to be truly meek and humble...
that's why i need JESUS..'cause i CANNOT DO IT alone....

mao nga we need to go back to the very commandment of Jesus
to LOVE other as ourselves...kana pa lang daan...perti na jud pagkaLISOD...
even pa magwali kog maau...makabuhi kog patay...or unsa pay akong buhaton...
basta wala nako gibuhat out of LOVE...then most probably...it is nothing....
SO in other words,i cannot even trust myself with these things....
that's why I NEED GOD, i need JESUS, the perfect ONE..the one who pulled it off BIG TIME...
the one who pushed through the will of the Father despite of the temptations of the Devil
and the unbelieve of His own people...

i will leave these verse bro...

If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
1 Corinthians 14:2

He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.
Luke 16:15

But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”
1 samuel 16:7

[noy]

let's assume nga di na tinood para naa ta basehan, asa man diay si Jesus pag 12-30 nya? pwede pakihatag ka ug verse and your opinion about this?

kana bro,wala jud na sa bible ang ages 12-30..
some say,ni adto siya sa India like what you posted, some say nagpakasala daw siya ug maau...
some say nga wala daw gilabut sa bible tungod kay makita didto nga tao ra siya..well even
in the new testament books...it has been widely said that Jesus apart from being God
was also a man,and was even called the son of man...

but for me lang ha, naa bay complete life story ang mga prophet sa bibliya?...like age 1 hangtud na himu clang prophet?
like si moses, gibutang ba didto unsa iyang gibuhat in between sa pagkatao before his calling?
basically..the story about Jesus from His birth mao ni dritso sa pagka dako na niya it's maybe because
the focus of the bible esp the new testament is ang pag start sa iyang ministry...and His works..
some scholars believed that Jesus was a carpenter like Joseph or may have tnded sheeps...
and besides, who would have written down His life from 12-30 nga
wala paman ang mga gospel writers?unless Jesus kept a diary...

si abraham naa bay life story?before his calling?naa cguro but dili jud ing ana ka detailed...
si noah,moses,joshua...murag wala man sad.

[jovipeorliohacokijo]

question lang bro,
mutuo ka nga possible nga ikaw ang sayop?
mutoo ka TS nga possible ang yawa maoy naghatag ug idea nga kita tanan pwede mahimung Christ?'cause in that way we do not need the sacrifice of Jesus...

and by the way bai, ang ask ko nimu ug question about if you believe in God,
if you think apostle paul was able to reach christhood..
i gave 2 options about salvation,(reincarnation or Christ's sacrifice)...
i asked which of the 2 are easier and which of the 2 shows acts of Love...can you please give your insights on those
questions? thanks bro..

anybody can be sakto or sayop. i mean not proven pa man. even sa inyong salvation, di pa man na proven. na prove na ba? tell me straight if proven na ba?

so that's why, since everything has not been proven yet, we have to gather more info, analyse and study... then some day, months, years, lifetimes, we can conclude.

possible nga kini sa yawa, but based on my explanation in my previous post, possible pud nga ang gipagawas ug gipatoo about Jesus is the only son, and kita dili anak sa Ginoo, possible pud nga inyoha sa yawa pud.

reincarnation is a good tool for salvation, but it is not the way to salvation. Jesus' sacrifice could be, but it could also be that Jesus showed an example of sacrifice, and gipatoo too lng nga through what he had done, mao na atong tuhu-an para ma save ta so that we will not do our part to sacrifice for God our Father, so that we will not work on our way to God, and assurance ni satan nga dili nata maka leave nya diri sa earth

kinuha ni nako sa site, i can consider this explanation also about miracles nga gi perform ni Jesus, healing:

Jesus did not come to heal people's bodies, or make people successful or wealthy. He came to deliver God's message that God wants us to trust Him. God wants us to return to Him and re-establish our loving relationship with Him. This is why Jesus' most important instruction, as was Moses' and all the other prophets' most important instruction, was:

“ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment.” (Matt. 22:37)

When we love someone, we trust them. When we trust them, we have faith in them, and we can serve them with love.

[noy]

pls provide your opinion on this:

"And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand."

Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13)

interesting one bro, i know many claim this to be a proof of reincarnation...
however, in the teachings of Christianity which i would also "ride on with"
Jesus was rather associating John with Elijah as both John and Elijah were prophesied to prepare the coming of the Lord..
and the angel gabriel said to john's father that john is to come in the spirit and power of Elijah...
but not necessarily a reincarnation...this can be referred to when Elijah was about to be taken up to heaven..
Elisha asked the Lord to have Elisha's spirit and annointing doubled...when it was granted...that certainly cannot mean that
elisha was also elijah's reincanation...'cause they co-exist at the same time..yet He was granted with a double portion of his annointing and spirit.
john specifically said that he is not Elijah,but qouted the verse in isiah that says there is a voice in the wilderness...shouting about prapering the way of the Lord...
anyway, it's like this...john was the foreruner of the 1st coming
and before the 2nd coming of the Lord...Elijah would play the part as the forerunner
see malachi 4:5-6
“See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the parents to their children, and the hearts of the children to their parents; or else I will come and strike the land with total destruction.”
it is clear that at the time of Jesus there was no total destruction that took place...