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    nagbata ako nga katoliko tungod ky ang akong parents ug grandparents mga katoliko man pud, pag high school ug college, i studied in catholic schools, which naa gyud ang religion nga subject. napun-an ang akong nahibaw-an about catholicism and christianity.

    then i read other books and in the internet, i found some different info about christianity and the teachings of Jesus. then naghuna huna dayon ko lahi lagi ni sa akong nahibaw-an nga gitudlo sa katoliko. naa diay lahi nga teachings si Jesus? So I asked myself, asa man diay tinood ani ron? what if ang akong nahibaw-an ug ang nahibaw-an sa kadaghanan sa katoliko dili mao sa original teachings ni Jesus?

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    "Many speculate about the real teachings of Jesus. The real teachings of Jesus are quite clear from his statements, however. As long as they aren't twisted to fit an agenda. Here we quote Jesus' statements from Matthew using the New International Version - translated from Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts by over one hundred scholars of various denominations. We also discuss the translation and meaning of the real teachings of Jesus without regard to denomination, sect or religious institution."

    "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." (Matthew 28:18-20)

    This statement - given by Jesus as he appeared to his disciples on a mountain near Galilee after the death of his physical body - has been grossly mistranslated by early ecclesiastical (professional) Christian translators and their successors who sought to support the erroneous idea that Jesus is God.


    In an attempt to bolster their followers and institutions, they have virtually eliminated God in the teachings of Jesus by stating that Jesus was "God became man." This contradicts Jesus' teachings, such as:


    "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'" (Matt. 7:21-23)


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    "My teaching is not my own. It comes from Him who sent me." (John 7:16)


    and


    "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but He sent me." (John 8:42)


    These and many other statements by Jesus clarified that he is not God. He is sent by God. He is God's representative.


    Being sent by someone means there are two persons: The sender and the one being sent. To confuse the two is to offend both.

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    id better go to an alien church than waht you believe bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteKelso View Post
    id better go to an alien church than waht you believe bro.
    it's ok bro... i am not asking you to believe it, but for me, acceptable kaayo ang explanation, i don't have to close my mind what was previously taught to me to compare everything ky what if nagmata ra ta ug buntag unya ang atong gituhu-an di diay mao

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    ts... hinaot ani ka sa higayon kadtong ts sa moon sunsun magpakita.
    para kamoy magtigi..

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    Quote Originally Posted by vahnhelsing View Post
    ts... hinaot ani ka sa higayon kadtong ts sa moon sunsun magpakita.
    para kamoy magtigi..
    lahi pud to iya bro... di mi mag-abot ato hehehe

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    OH?

    Unya unsaon man ni nimu pag explain?

    John 1:1 'The Eternal Word'
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    John 1:14 'The Word Becomes Flesh'
    14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

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    Kung naa kay nalibugan ts (ug sa mga tawo nga nakabasa), pwede ra man sad mo consult ka directly sa mga religious leaders sa bisan unsa nga simbahan nga may kaalam pag hubad. Ug timbang timbanga kung kinsa jud paminaw nimu ang sakto. Kay bisan ako nakasiguro nga dili jud tanan nga gitudlo sa atong ginikanan ug sa mga tawo nga atong gituohan nakahibaw about religious teachings, nga nakasabot sad mismo sa ilang nabasa.

    Kada usa nato naay utok ug kasing-kasing, utok aron magamit sa pag analisar, kasing2x magamit sa paghigugma ug tinud-anay nga pagtoo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jovipeorliohacokijo View Post
    lahi pud to iya bro... di mi mag-abot ato hehehe
    mag-abot ra mo ts uy...
    ikaw mag-abot kas punto nga mapungot ka..
    hahaha.. share-share lang gud mo..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    OH?

    Unya unsaon man ni nimu pag explain?

    John 1:1 'The Eternal Word'
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    John 1:14 'The Word Becomes Flesh'
    14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
    The Secret Teachings of Jesus
    source: Reincarnation and the early Christians

    An important Christian Gnostic teaching was the "Logos" which in Greek is translated as "the image of the Word." It is an important concept found in the gospel of John:

    "In the beginning was the Word (Logos), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)

    Logos is the part of God that acts in the world. It is the perfect unity of the human and the divine. This is affirmed by John when he wrote that "the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us." When John stated that Jesus is the Logos, he is stating that Jesus became the Logos, the Christ. The Logos is the divine "spark" of God within humans that needs to awakened. Everyone has the "image of the Word (Logos)" within them and it is for this reason that Genesis describes humanity as created "in the image and likeness of God."The Logos is the divine Spirit in humanity. By using the Christian Gnostic idea of the Logos, John is not only affirming the preexistence and divinity of Jesus, but he is affirming that all sons of God created in the "image of the Word" as Jesus was, preexisted in spirit before being born. In other words, every human is an incarnation of the Logos and every human has to potential of becoming like Jesus, a manifestation of the human-divine unity. Every human can be a "Christ" and because of this, every soul will eventually be drawn back to God.

    The Roman Church misunderstood what the Logos was in John and incorrectly concluded from this that only Jesus is divine - the Word made flesh. The orthodox Church either rejected or ignored this Christian Gnostic concept found in John. This may have been a factor when the gospel of John was almost rejected from New Testament canon when it was being put together. This was during a time when Christian Gnosticism became an enemy of the organized Church. Nevertheless, it was the idea of the preexistence of the soul and its corresponding doctrine of reincarnation that the Roman Church had great difficulty with.

    The Christian Gnostics emphasized spiritual knowledge rather blind faith as the road to salvation. They indicated that they possessed secret knowledge (i.e., "gnosis" in Greek) concerning the hidden meaning of the "resurrection." This was a part of the secret teachings of Jesus handed down to them by the apostles. This special knowledge was restricted to people who were given the public teachings of Christianity before qualifying to be initiated and receive the secret teachings. In contrast, the very term "Catholic" means "universal", implying that anyone could become a member of the Church by adhering to the public teachings of faith and rituals. The Christian Gnostics were harsh critics of the orthodox Church. The Christian Gnostics accused the Church of watering down the gospel in order to popularize it for the masses. The orthodox Church stressed salvation through faith alone and by the rituals of the Church.

    This secret gnosis emphasized spiritual "resurrection" (i.e,. spiritual rebirth) and physical "resurrection" (i.e., reincarnation) as opposed to a resurrection defined as people sleeping in their graves until it is time their corpses to crawl out of their graves at the last day. Christian Gnostics held the view that if spiritual resurrection was not attained in one lifetime, then the soul would be subjected to as many reincarnations as it takes until spiritual rebirth is attained.

    One of the great Church leaders was Clement of Alexandria in Egypt (150-211 A.D.) who indicated that he possessed the secret teaching handed down from the apostles.

    In the Gnostic text entitled The Secret Gospel of Mark, one of the Christian Gnostic texts discovered in 1945, describes Jesus performing secret initiation rituals. Before the discovery of this secret gospel, our only knowledge of it came from a letter written by Clement. Clement quotes from this secret gospel and refers to it as, "a more spiritual gospel for the use of those who were being perfected." He also states, "It even yet is most carefully guarded [by the church at Alexandria], being read only to those who are being initiated into the great mysteries." Clement mentions elsewhere that Jesus revealed a secret teaching to those who were "capable of receiving it and being molded by it" He also affirmed that, "The gnosis (secret knowledge) itself is that which has descended by transmission to a few, having been imparted unwritten by the apostles." (Miscell. Book VI, Chapter 7)

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    Quote Originally Posted by vahnhelsing View Post
    mag-abot ra mo ts uy...
    ikaw mag-abot kas punto nga mapungot ka..
    hahaha.. share-share lang gud mo..
    di man ko mapungot oi. i can accept his idea and add to mine for comparison and kung acceptable ba or dili

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