MERGED: Gay Marriage in the Philippines

[Dustashed]

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The Main issue here is about some few people who will challenge the established Law and force them to Change because they just want to do what they want to do - And the biggest problem with that is after same s*ex marriage will be legalize, WHAT will stop them to challenge the LAW again for some things they want? abortion? Mercy Killing?

They are given equal RIGHTS as a Man and a WOMAN - which they were originally BORN in the First place. You can Look around and you can see that they are Given ALL THE RIGHTS same as you and ME.

And Its FUNNY for you to talk about "RESPETUHA" and Yet you want the MILLIONS of people in this country to ABANDON/CHANGE and even VIOLATE the Belief that they FOLLOWED their whole Life - A belief that define there LIVES.

You are comparing apples and oranges. Same-*** marriage impedes upon the rights of no one. Abortion and Euthanasia Strips the basic right of a human being to live. Notice the difference now?

Whats really funny? Ask any gay guy if he'd rather be married to a man or to a woman. Ask a lesbian that same question.

Now how do you reconcile that with the Basic human right to the pursuit of happiness?

The fact is, in general GAY guys do not want to marry a woman nor lesbians marry a man. You prevent them from marrying the person they love then you are violating their right to pursue happiness

Your last line is just ridiculous. First, heterosexuals throughout the country can still get married to the Person of their dreams of the opposite gender so there wouldn't really be anything changed.

Second, do you honestly seriously think that marriage is the SOLE thing that defines their lives? really? seriously?

Third, change is does not necessarily equate to a bad thing and

Fourth you are underestimating the capability humanity to adapt to new norms

[Dustashed]

same *** marriage.. its like eating garbage

based on your experience?

[Dustashed]

So based on this you want acceptance diay.

Even if you change the Law to accept same *** marriage, in the context of Religion, immoral gihapon. unless mao nsad nay sunod ninyung buhaton, i violate sa simbahan ang Bibliya para sa inyung immoralidad.

Who cares what the church says, AGAIN what matters is whats in the constitution. The Legal LAW of the Land.

The church can believe what it wants, as long as the law upholds the rights of the minority regardless of what the church thinks

[emailroy2002]

murag lisod ni sa piilpinas kay pero wa mani problema sa mga openminded nga tao.

sa mga catholico nga pari noon

[Dustashed]

spring/mods, naypa i close nalang ni kay di jud ni magdaog maabtan nalang ta sunod tuig... kay maski unsaon ug warning some people di jud patuo...

You are missing the point, there doesn't have to be any clear winners nor losers in this discussion. The very reason why users continue to post on this thread is in the hopes that their words won't fade into the void but burn into the hearts of their readers. To educate them, or even inspire them that others have the same mindset as they have. Or even validate their convictions.

Who knows, someday a president, senator, congressman or even a supreme court judge would tell the tale of how as a kid he chanced upon a particular forum and how this particular discussion has had a great impact on how he has made his decisions.


Never underestimate the power of the human soul to affect others. Even a tiny pebble dropped in a pond makes a ripple effect

[Dustashed]

[pyrogemini]

Ato ning usa-usahon.....

As defined by law....
"Marriage is a special contract of permanent union between a man and a woman entered into in accordance with law for the establishment of conjugal and family life."

As defined by (traditional) dictionary....
"Marriage: the state of being united to a person of the opposite *** as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law"

Now this topic "Gay Marriage in the Philippines".

I believe the word "gay marriage" caused the confusion. The traditional family would like to be heard and respected that the definition of marriage MUST remain as is. The LGBT community demand the definition to accommodate them. Now to make thing mutual and in agreement, can we use another term to mean "the state of being united to a person of the SAME *** in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law" and "special contract of permanent union between a man and a man/a woman and a woman entered into in accordance with law for the establishment of conjugal life". Say "gay union".

RESPECT must be mutual... if LGBT want their union to be respected by the traditional family they must use a different language other than the language already established for the traditional family.

Kay ang long term implication man gud ani is the word marriage will lost its relevance. say katong mga other group makig union sila sa hayop, marriage pud diay tawag ana or katong makig union sila ug objects marriage pud diay tawag ana. Dili di bah?

[Dustashed]

Ato ning usa-usahon.....

As defined by law....
"Marriage is a special contract of permanent union between a man and a woman entered into in accordance with law for the establishment of conjugal and family life."

As defined by (traditional) dictionary....
"Marriage: the state of being united to a person of the opposite *** as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law"

Now this topic "Gay Marriage in the Philippines".

I believe the word "gay marriage" caused the confusion. The traditional family would like to be heard and respected that the definition of marriage MUST remain as is. The LGBT community demand the definition to accommodate them. Now to make thing mutual and in agreement, can we use another term to mean "the state of being united to a person of the SAME *** in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law" and "special contract of permanent union between a man and a man/a woman and a woman entered into in accordance with law for the establishment of conjugal". Say "gay union".

RESPECT must be mutual... if LGBT want their union to be respected by the traditional family they must use a different language other than the language already established for the traditional family.

Kay ang long term implication man gud ani is the word marriage will lost its relevance. say katong mga other group makig union sila sa hayop, marriage pud diay tawag ana or katong makig union sila ug objects marriage pud diay tawag ana. Dili di bah?

The Difference Between Gay Marriage and Civil Unions

Difference Between Civil Union and Marriage - Civil Unions vs. Gay Marriage

[tingkagol]

Even if you change the Law to accept same *** marriage, in the context of Religion, immoral gihapon.

No disputing there. Same-s3x marriage is definitely "immoral" in the context of christian morals.

unless mao nsad nay sunod ninyung buhaton, i violate sa simbahan ang Bibliya para sa inyung immoralidad.

I really doubt that is the intention of homosexuals. This is a common misconception by most people. Gays aren't trying to dictate the established laws of christianity. Sure, there are a select few homosexual idiots out there pushing to change the laws of the church. In that light, I sympathize with christians who are against same-s3x church marriages.

Getting married before the law, however, is a different story.


Anyway, just in case anyone has forgotten:

1. Civil marriage, in the absence of Holy Matrimony, is considered "void" by the church (be it straight or, if legislated, gay).
2. No one's trying to put the church into a stranglehold so that they will accept civil marriage as "ordained by God". You actually have to go through the process of Holy Matrimony to do that.
3. Gay marriage is entirely a civil marriage issue.

[Dustashed]

Ato ning usa-usahon.....
Kay ang long term implication man gud ani is the word marriage will lost its relevance. say katong mga other group makig union sila sa hayop, marriage pud diay tawag ana or katong makig union sila ug objects marriage pud diay tawag ana. Dili di bah?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Animals cannot give informed consent unlike 2 human adults who can. Your argument holds no water since you are comparing apples and oranges and paranoid about something ain't gonna happen so long as animals hold no sentience.

One Clear example of gay marriage getting approved in a very traditional environment?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-***_marriage_in_Spain

Yes, It is the same SPAIN that colonized us for 300+ years and spread the faith and concept of "traditional marriage" you now hold dear