Questions for the Atheists

[estambae]

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Naa raman diay na!
Nya nganong maglisud man mog dawat sa ginoo nga nag create nato kaysa belief nga gikan ta sa bato or non-living?

unsai naa raman diay na? . . sure kaha dira. .

ang akong great great great grandfather ug great great great grandmother nagbunal. . mao naa ko run. .

dili kai gkan kos bato. ikaw mismo ebidensiya ka sa imung great great great grandfather gawas kung gi lolo raka unia naa ka karun.

pero, great great great grandfather != god

kasabot ka heliopause? or basin mu ana napud ka naa raman diay na.

[heliopause]

unsai naa raman diay na? . . sure kaha dira. .

ang akong great great great grandfather ug great great great grandmother nagbunal. . mao naa ko run. .

dili kai gkan kos bato. ikaw mismo ebidensiya ka sa imung great great great grandfather gawas kung gi lolo raka unia naa ka karun.

pero, great great great grandfather != god

kasabot ka heliopause? or basin mu ana napud ka naa raman diay na.

cool lang diha gud.
analyze balik inyong logic. By the way, can you show me proof nga ni exists to imong lolo sa kiting?

[mokiloo]

when is the time ni atras ang christians ug mga questions?> mas daghan paman ganing questions nga wala jud moy tubag!

well its not nga ni atras mu but its how you answered..mu atras mu its bad for business man sa inyung belief or institute

okay. please proceed with our sharing

kung mao rasad ni imong naabot sa hunahuna, k rasad. Kabalo rami mosabot sa inyoha part peace.

Now answer my questions:
1) Where does the origin of life came from?

nag pasabot na if we can't present our own claim so you assume your adam and eve or that genesis wins by default? mura ug game daug mo kay forfeit ang kontra?

2) If there's no universal moral law, how would you determine good and evil?

do you need that book to determine what's good and bad? meaning am-aman pamo para mag binut-an or kinahanglan pamo scriptures to do good? whatever happen to sincerity or that own will to do good?

kinahanglan pamo hadlokon ug impyerno or danihon sa kanindot sa langit?

So where does your moral stand if your just saving your own ass?

[noy]

There are over 10,000 kinds of faiths/religions of the world. Why is Christianity so arrogant saying that their kind of "life after death" is what will happen? And you're arrogantly saying "What if you're wrong?" So what if I'm also wrong about Shiva and Hinduism? What if I'm wrong about the 50+ virgins waiting for me in heaven (as described in Islam if I died a martyr)? What if I'm wrong about Kolob (Kolob is a star or planet described in Mormon scripture. Reference to Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham, a work published by Joseph Smith, Jr., the founder of the Latter Day Saint movement. According to this work, Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of God.)?

So again pag manguta ka sa ako "What if you're wrong boss?" again I ask you, kang kinsang version sa WRONG? Kay if I believe in one religion's version of paradise, then wrong man sad ko sa another religion, and if I believe in this other religion's version of paradise or hell, wrong na sad ko sa another religion...see why religions are really just "versions" of how man wants to "escape" the sordid idea that after death there is really nothing else? Well, fear is normal, so I won't stop you people from fearing death and embracing religion--ako, kaya na nako i-accept, that there is nothing after death, kamo, you can't handle it, because you wish there is more, and that's perfectly normal--it's your choice, and my choice is simply to accept the facts as reason and logic presents it to me. It is an honest view, because a) it doesn't collect money from its believers, and b) the facts don't conflict with each other (unlike with different religions and beliefs, nga ang mga "facts" nila ga-conflict with each other.

-RODION

sorry if you find it arrogant when i asked you, what if you're wrong?
and i apologize for the confusion,and i honestly mean no disrespect i was referring to being wrong about the concept that nothing awaits after death? about heaven and hell?
i am talking about the God of the monotheists by the way..and as a Christian, i'm talking about Jesus.what if you're wrong about Him?
i understand you based you're conclusions on evidences which i'd say it's fair, but how did you know that it is enough?and how far have you made your discoveries?if you conclude that there's no God because of the abusive churches,how sure you that all of the churches or people who believed in God are like that?and if you're basing your conclusion about the natural calamities which took many innocent lives,aren't mostly of those tragedies are caused by abusive people who destroys the earth?and if twisted crimes and killings are one of the reasons, aren't they a result of an irrespnsible parenthood?pyschos and twisted people are running around the planet because of a disfunctional childhood.and if poverty is one of them, isn't it caused by corruption and laziness? if you think that you're right in every conclusion about God and everything else that relates to Him, so the other great minds in history,such as Einstein,st.augustine..and a lot more were just deluded?
but at the same time logical, cause they were scientists and philosophers..could that be even possible?but i think you found something that they didn't find 'cause you seem to know better than them.'cause they believed in God and you don't 'cause you have found evidences.
they were not just ordinary people like me who believes in God 'cause i fear the empitness of death as what you said earlier..well clearly you do not know the reasons why i believed in God.and certainly cannot speak in general about why poeple believed in God
yeah religion has it's different versions about salvation and heveanly rewards..all of them could be wrong, or one of them is right..
and you could be wrong? have you thought about it?sure you did..but you shouldn't stop thinking about it. peace bro just arguments, nothing personal.

[noy]

there are lots of reasons people work in a church.
laziness is one reason. in the church you do not have to work hard. all you do is pray, how heavy is that?
money is easy, you just mention the word god and people hand their money to you, tax free.
people can be controlled together with their money. Just instill fear in them. fear of eternal damnation in hell.

yeah sure, laziness is one, money perhaps is the great motivator...like you said, just one of the reasons...
how about Love and faith? don't they count?
basing on your statement sis, you wouldn't only have trust issues with God but with people as well..

[heliopause]

nag pasabot na if we can't present our own claim so you assume your adam and eve or that genesis wins by default? mura ug game daug mo kay forfeit ang kontra?

ahhaha. kaw jud part! a 2000 years old antique story vs. modern science. Nya wala pa gihapon resulta? hehehh-pasabot weak imong science or need pa mo evolve to defeat it.

do you need that book to determine what's good and bad? meaning am-aman pamo para mag binut-an or kinahanglan pamo scriptures to do good? whatever happen to sincerity or that own will to do good?

dili man sa ingon nga am-aman but the bible serves as our life’s manual. Ato lang matarung pag operate ang kinabuhi kung magsubay ta sa insaktong guide diha sa pulong sa ginoo.

kinahanglan pamo hadlokon ug impyerno or danihon sa kanindot sa langit?
So where does your moral stand if your just saving your own ass?

Bisan pa wala nang mga butanga part need gihapon sa taw to honor and give reverence sa iyaha tungod sa kaayo ug faithfulness that he still preserve us despite sa atong pagka rebellious.

[noy]

Because it is all we could do.
Speculate. We can not do anything more.
Can you see God? NO.
But we can speculate that there is a God, right?
Can you know a definite truth about God? No.
But you can pretend to know. Again you are speculating.

Everyday I speculate that I can win the swertres lotto.
That is all I could do.
You can visit the swertres fanatics thread.
Can I be sure about swertres outcome? NO.
But I bet my P10 on a number I believe will come out.
I can speculate on the winning numbers using statistics, patterns and instincts.
Yes, I won a lot of times by betting on a number i speculated to come out..I lost a lot of times too.

If you lived long enough in this life. And you observe nature keenly. You will learn a lot of things. That learning will help you speculate about your existence in this world. Look at the ants, how insignificant they are. But we need them to clean up our mess. DO the ants know us? No. Can they understand us? No.But, they can see us. How can you know of a God or understand a God that you can not even see? or hear, or feel or touch or smell. Its all in your mind. All a speculation.

you may wanna speculate on this, what if everything that you deny about God is true?
and what if you would see the main reason for the starvation and deseases were revelaved to you..actually reasons have been partially revealed..corrupt people in the authority who continues to neglect the situation while getting richer.ungenuine charity programs driven by self interests.(you can include religous outreach programs on that).deseases?again most of it boils down to corruption and mis management..there should be government funds for the welfare of those who cant afford hospitals. but there's none..'cause not only some countries are poor economically..the least that they have were taken by corrupt leaders and abusive people.(you can include church leaders on them)..but God? getting the blame? yeah you're right it's just speculation.
if only the leaders of the nation and every individual would solely consider the moralities of the bible, then it might make a difference.
the bible is packed with moral teachings...but the core of it is salvation.
'cause goodworks can never be geniuinely good works without God..
most of the times it boils down to "business"( and yes some religious orgs have now turned to business) but not God of course..
and you might ask what is God doing about the situation?? He gave us freewill and great minds and the bible as the guide/His word.

[heliopause]

@ginalyn

unsa diay imong concept about god, would you mind to share?

[mokiloo]

ahhaha. kaw jud part! a 2000 years old antique story vs. modern science. Nya wala pa gihapon resulta? hehehh-pasabot weak imong science or need pa mo evolve to defeat it.

you mean naa result inyung 2000 year old antique? adam and eve, genesis? unsa evidence? same ra pud kung kinsa ang, let's say defendant, and ang iyang witness or alibi siya ra sab ghapon?

So imong pasabot pud the Pyramids off Giza veeery old antique so mysterious nga wa pa kaayo ma tugkad sa science until naa solid facts to support it, for now it's being built by aliens?

[noy]

My turn to ask a question to the theists--do you think your religion would continue existing (I'm referring to an organizational structure akin to the Catholic Church heirarchy or the Iglesia ni Cristo Administrators, or Latter Day Saints/Mormon Church Administrators) if you didn't have a "collection plate" or basket or whatever means your church implements to exact a certain amount of money from its members?

Here is a list of some Christian denominations that were formerly active, but now inactive, and the main reason why it became inactive is, wala nama'y mo-adto sa ilang church so wala na'y mohatag ug kwarta sa collection plate nila.
Category:Former Christian denominations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Atheism doesn't have a church. It doesn't have a "collection plate". Yet there are atheists.

-RODION

collection yes, it will cease one day..but offering, it won't.
in any organization, fund raisings and other means of monetary donations are encouraged for the upkeep of the org.
religious orgs are one of the many orgs hence they are not excempted..
but again, collection and offerings are 2 different things.
and the 10% is based on king melchezedek's offering and other biblical offerings
but everything goes to the person's conviction.it is never imposed.at least in the church/community i'm with.
but sometimes, when i 'm blessed with financies..i give more than what i usually give.
if i don't have anything...then wala..what's important is the fellowship and relationship.. like families do..
but if the relisious org turns into business then we all know what happens next.