Questions for the Atheists

[heliopause]

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even the papacy is not exempted on medical/health conditions/complications............death is inevitable...........
maximize the remainder of your life...........spend it wisely with your family/friends/complete strangers.............in this way, you will NOT have to worry about the existence/absence of an "after-life"..........

parehas ba sa uban part kung dunay problema kay ihubog2 para lang marelieve..........pero ig kahuwasan, walay nausab but still facing the reality! pero lahi2 manta ug worldview, imoha pud na.

[necrotic freak]

@marius, how about an earthly being (who tresspass against you), would you ask/give forgiveness?

[heliopause]

I actually take that seriously. I do believe that I currently may have some kind of growth/tumor in my lower right abdomen, but I don't plan to visit the doctor anytime soon--if my body quits on me, so be it. That's how life works--it has to end in order for other forms of life to begin. I'm insignificant. I can die tomorrow and I have absolutely no issues about it--the world will go on (or at least I hope the SMART people who are left behind, those who are armed with reason and logic will keep it go on) without me.

-RODION

P.S. Incidentally, my father died about two weeks ago. We were quite close. But did he believe in life after death? Nope. Did he repent and do all that mumbo jumbo in his deathbed? Nope. Do I believe in life after death? Nope. He was and I am, both of us, were/are absolutely comfortable in the idea that life and death is simply a part of the natural cycle--you once didn't exist, and thus you will cease to exist one day. Period. Nothing else. I think the sooner you accept that, the sooner you come close to reaching a form of happiness that not any religion nor faith can match, because it is an honest view of things.

sir rodsky, that's the spirit of a true atheist. Hope you'll be at peace with it.
Like the true christians, andam magpakamatay sa gituohang kamatuoran ba! i respect you for that.

[kit_cebu]

parehas ba sa uban part kung dunay problema kay ihubog2 para lang marelieve..........pero ig kahuwasan, walay nausab but still facing the reality! pero lahi2 manta ug worldview, imoha pud na.

that's an alcoholic who just doesn't happen to discover that yet......

[heliopause]

bro ayaw kahadlok og hell.
walay hell.
if naa dili gihapon maapektohan ang imong soul.
Nganu man?
tungod kay ang soul energy form na siya.
walay feelings,conscious mind or sensation.
its like electricity or light.
can you burn light? can you burn electricity?
so the concept of hell is not logical or applicable to the soul if our soul is an energy form.

contradiction na sa idea ni CS Lewis nga...."YOU DO NOT HAVE A SOUL. YOU ARE A SOUL, YOU HAVE A BODY!"

There are three kinds of death mentioned in the bible:

1) Spiritual Death - separation of God and man (our present status)
“Your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God,
and your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He does not hear” (Isa. 59:2).

2) Physical Death - separation of body and soul
“It is appointed unto men once to die and after this the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27)2)

3) Eternal Death - total separation of body and soul from the presence of God in eternity
“Those who remain in spiritual death throughout their lives and do not believe on the Son of God, die in their sins (John 8:21, 24) — and in the Day of Judgment will be consigned to a state of eternal separation from God, called in Scripture the second death (Revelation 21:”

[heliopause]

@rodsky

An assumption is different from a calculated prediction. For instance, I took photos of the Venus transit event last July 2012, but I already planned and prepared for it over three years ago pa. So how do I know that it will happen at that precise time? Did I make a hurried assumption? Nope, it was detailed, careful calculations and planning that leads to a prediction. Now yes, three years is different compared with 50 million or so years, or even a billion years, but if you UNDERSTAND how these processes work, you will cease to think that the human lifespan is the MEASURING DEVICE for you to appreciate these things--the human lifespan is INSIGNIFICANT against the backdrop of REAL time, and if an event follows the laws of physics, that prediction will remain true, as long as the math behind it remains true. So if 1+1 is still 2 a million years from now, then the predictions for movements of certain planets and stars WILL HAPPEN, whether you like it or not. If you study astronomy, you will realize how important this concept is in one's understanding of how things work in the universe.

-RODION

The transit of venus sir will obviously be known because it is following a path in its orbit that was already set by god! you cannot say that in million years venus will be found in andromeda galaxy.

I agree that human lifespan is insignificant against the backdrop of real time but don't you know also that time is just a speck in the ocean of eternity? that's why I am more concern of my eternal destiny.

It’s okay if that’s your interpretation sir! But still be considered an assumption. You know why? 50 million years is more impossible to believe if we can witness what will happen than the reality of God’s judgment. For me, human history hasn’t even reached 10,000 years old but seems were heading towards global chaos and total annihilation. In the course of a million years, we don’t know also if this earth still exists. Hopefully not be stricken by a large asteroid. Who knows when in fact our lifespan is only a century or less!

Life is more significant than the rest of the cosmos, more important compared with anything you see in the night sky. Imagine because of God’s amazing Love, it took his son to die for us…para lang sa atong kaluwasan.
How Great Is Our God - Louie Giglio - YouTube

Take science seriously by bridging the mind and the heart. Don't worry too much of what will happen next million years, but give more importance of what will happen if your life will be taken tomorrow. And always remember there is someone up there who owns you! Our life is precious to God!

I'll just pray for you and the rest. May God bless us always and show us the truth!

[heliopause]

I don't believe in evolution either.
evolution is just a natural program left by the one who created the universe,
so that he doesn't have to do everything.
but the creator never made man from anything other than a man.
no amount of evolution can produce a man from the fish or a monkey.
they are all just speculations. im not an atheist.
i believe there is a creator but he is not the one described in the bible.

well great! care to share some more?

[noy]

I was also led to believe those two verses are "scientific proof" kuno that the Bible is divinely inspired and is very much way ahead in science. Until i realized this are merely the interpretation of some christian fundamentalists to suit their agenda and this view is shared only by a small minority of the Judeo-Christian faith. It's kinda weird or impossible for the different major Judeo-Christian religions and denominations to miss out those two verses for almost 2,000 years and then suddenly in the late 20th century some Christian scholars kuno will make an outrageous claim and interpretation.

Isaiah 40:22 "circle of the earth" is more reasonably interpreted as referring to a flat circular earth with the heavens forming a dome above it. Such an interpretation is consistent with other passages of the Bible which refer to a solid firmament (Gen. 1:6-20, 7:11; Ezekiel 1:22-26; Job 9:8, 22:14, etc.). It is also consistent with the cosmology common in neighboring cultures. A "circle" being two-dimensional in form is in contrast with a "sphere" which is the closest shape of the earth.. Religious liberals which comprises majority of the scholars would group Isaiah 40:22 together with Job 22:14 "circle of the heaven" and Proverbs 8:27 "circle of the deep" to refer to the earth having a two dimensional circular form -- in the shape of a flat disk. Historians, archaeologists, mainline and liberal theologians generally believe that the Bible writers simply accepted their contemporary Pagan beliefs of neighboring countries about the shape of the earth, and the layout of the universe. This is how Isaiah viewed the universe:



courtesy: religioustolerance.org

Job 26:7 If you're living in Job's time, you can easily understand why he was able to say that God hangeth the earth on nothing. He could have been observing the heavens and noticed there's nothing visibly tying the earth to the sky. The sun and moon also appear to hang on nothing, and that idea could be extended to the earth. BUT IT DOES NOT PROVE THE EARTH IS FLOATING IN SPACE. The quote from Job is misleading. Even if the earth "hangeth upon nothing", something that "hangeth" must still hangeth from something. The fact that Job talks about the earth hanging at all is proof of its falsity. Now, if Job said something like "the earth floateth among the emptiness of the void", religionists would have something to talk about.

Here's a surprise. If we check the other verses in the Book of Job, we see that Job seems to say the exact opposite:

“He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble.” Job 9:6

Pillars? How can the earth hang on nothing and be placed on pillars?

God also seems to support the idea of a foundation, and answers Job saying:

“Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? … Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened?” Job 38:4-6

God tells us what those foundations are in 1 Samuel and Psalms 75:

“The pillars of the earth are the LORD’s, and he hath set the world upon them.” 1 Samuel 2:8

“When the earth and all its people quake, it is I who hold its pillars firm.” Psalm 75:3

This is a clear dilemma to those Christian fundamentalists and those people that share the same idea like you.

then i hope you are right..you can believe whatever you want.
people with different beliefs would always claim what they believe is true..as much as Christians would.
Christians have proof, and aetheists also claim that the Christian claims were twisted..
i hope that when you do your research you're not browsing sites that are in favor of your belief as well.
'cause you would certainly see things you only want to see.
there are only 2 things for sure..no one is crazy enough to die for something that's not true..
and no psychological problem would cause same hallucinations on different people at the same time..
all of these were experienced by the early Jesus' apostles,Christians and martyrs of the church..
and they would never deny what they claimed about the divinity of Jesus and His resurrection even to the point of death
as much as i would never deny mine. i respect your belief, it is yours to decide in the first place.

and of course, we would never really know who's right or wrong until the day we die, and neither the day we do.
i just hope you wouldn't close your heart entirely on Him just because there are claims against Him, just because there are not enough evidence about His existence(depends on how the person sees it though)...
'cause when we die and find God, it might be a little late to believe..
but who knows? He's all merciful right? however we also know that we have a lifetime to believe in Him, but we just chose not to.

[noy]

I actually take that seriously. I do believe that I currently may have some kind of growth/tumor in my lower right abdomen, but I don't plan to visit the doctor anytime soon--if my body quits on me, so be it. That's how life works--it has to end in order for other forms of life to begin. I'm insignificant. I can die tomorrow and I have absolutely no issues about it--the world will go on (or at least I hope the SMART people who are left behind, those who are armed with reason and logic will keep it go on) without me.


-RODION

P.S. Incidentally, my father died about two weeks ago. We were quite close. But did he believe in life after death? Nope. Did he repent and do all that mumbo jumbo in his deathbed? Nope. Do I believe in life after death? Nope. He was and I am, both of us, were/are absolutely comfortable in the idea that life and death is simply a part of the natural cycle--you once didn't exist, and thus you will cease to exist one day. Period. Nothing else. I think the sooner you accept that, the sooner you come close to reaching a form of happiness that not any religion nor faith can match, because it is an honest view of things.

what if you're wrong boss?

[noy]

bro ayaw kahadlok og hell.
walay hell.
if naa dili gihapon maapektohan ang imong soul.
Nganu man?
tungod kay ang soul energy form na siya.
walay feelings,conscious mind or sensation.
its like electricity or light.
can you burn light? can you burn electricity?
so the concept of hell is not logical or applicable to the soul if our soul is an energy form.

sorry but i need to ask,how exactly did you know these things?and how exatcly sure are you that because it is illogical
it isnt right or true?and what have you done so far that you can conclude such? or you just got all these from websites..
where you can pretty much find what you're looking for in favor of what kind of answers you would like to get
remember that you are resposible for what you preach..
if you're right, then congrats, if not then God be with you.