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    For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.- Galatians

    faith in Jesus means you are a child of God. so puede jud ta mo claim nga sigorado ta nga Christian. apan if you don't hve any faith in Jesus, then it means di ka Christian.

    so unsa may proofs nga we have faith in Jesus?

    If you obey my commandments you are truly my disciple-BIBLE
    so if you say you are a follower of Jesus yet disobey one of his teachings then puede ka e JUDGE nga di ka Christian.

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    @springfield
    Wrong ... why would someone be offended when this is the TRUTH ?
    Your version of truth? Not for those who are true to their belief in Christ. Ask most pastors and missionaries kung nindot ba ang income sa ilang negosyo. Much worse, kinabuhi nila ug sa ilang pamilya gitaya diha.

    If you say you got offended then indeed , it follows na GUILTY ang subject. But it does not follow na abi kay NEGOSYO na ang RELIHIYON , ma apektuhan ang pagtuo nimo because FAITH is subjective , it varies individually.
    Kung nganlan tikaw ug kawatan though dili tinuod, dili ka ma offend? Does it mean kung na offend ang taw it follows nga guilty sya? Hmmm. Your proposition only implies nga tanan diri nga naay religion tabla rag nisulod sa usa ka negosyo. Which is a big mistake!

    You are not gettign the drift . Like I said , ayaw i compare ang RELIGION sa CHURCH . These 2 are totally different entities.
    Let me illustrate it clearly:
    Religion – A belief system (catholics, protestants, etc)
    Church – The body of believers of Jesus Christ (members of a certain group) not the building
    Unsa diay ning imong church walay religion? or nagtuo ka nga kamo nga neither catholics, protestant, etc. (probably freemasons, rosicrucians) kamo maoy nagcomprised sa church? Dili ba matawag man gihapon na nga religion?

    Non Catholics converting to Catholics pasabot nimo ?
    Lost/unbelievers who doesn’t know about the salvation offered by Christ. Any members with any group basta naconvert tungod kay nakasabot ug nagdawat sa kaluwasan which we can only find in Jesus Christ.

    Never answer me BIBLICALLY kay di jud na ma reconcile . Answer me logically nuon .
    Sakto ka di jud ta magkasabot kay lain2 atong Ginoo. Dili man diay based sa bible imong pag acknowledge sa truth. The bible is complete, it talks about the beginning til the end. Kung logic imong basihan matiguwang nalang ta dili jud ta makabalo sa truth kay parehas rana sa technology that will become obsolete in few years kay duna nasd bag-o nga idea.

    When we say ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME , that is a statement implying that aside from faith , you will need a lot of GOOD WORKS. I know a lot of ATHEIST who acts more in a Christian manner compared to the HYPOCRITES all over the world.Does that mean they wont enter the gates of heaven because they dont believe in Heaven ? Sa ilahang kahimtang they dont care because it defeats the purpose of their respective beliefs but para nato mo tuo , who are we to judge them ? Your playing GOD now eh ?
    As I said, dili ta magkasabot kay lahi2 atong ginoo. I believe in the God of the bible.
    Kinsa may gihukman namo diri nga dili pasudlon sa langit or ipabutang namo sa impierno? Yes we have no right to judge anybody. Ang pagjudge sa taw dili gihapon na makausab sa judgment sa ginoo. What we said are based solely on the words of the bible.

    Murag walay wrong gyud , wala lang ka nakasabot hehehe . Wether you like it or not , you are inclined to accept it because it is not your belief , you might struggle to convince me but you cant take it away from me.
    Nah. Mag struggle hinuon ko ug convince nimo? Wala mankoy makuha kung motuo ka or dili. I am just sharing what Ive known as truth based on the bible. Wala koy intention nga moconvert ug taw coz it is the power of God that will change a man.

    Sama nako ... nadawat na man nako na di ka katoliko so it only follows that there are lots of dogma's that you dont practice . And just because you dont observe it means it is wrong , nobody is wrong , inyo lnag gi label na wrong because you guys claimed to have found the truth when fact wala.
    Your idea is likely from hinduism. There is no such thing as good or evil. Same thing. But unfair lang kay ikaw mismo dili christian or muslim but wala jud ka moshare sad kung unsay imong belief. Gusto ka motira namo pero ikaw dili magpatira!

    Sa mga Katoliko na approach , naa na siya basis . Dont invent something lage that was only interpreted in behalf lang sa unsay tan-aw ninyo mo benefit sa cause/campaign ninyo. Why would I say that ? I would rather believe in something that was passed from 1 generation to the next tha was carefully nurtured and taken cared off unlike sa belief na mugna lamang sa OPINION and thats just it . That is regardless if ang ga mugna ana has the greatest THINKING ABILITY who roamed the earth. mangutana ko nimo , kanus-a ra ga sugod ang BAPTIST na denomination since Baptist man ka ?
    Gi share na baya koni diri. Baptist History - A Brief Survey Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches - What they are and What is their History
    Do you mean non-catholics (protestants, baptists) walay basis? daghanay dili mao sa imong statement oi.
    Ako sad ask nimo, kinsa man ang writer/author sa teachings nga imong gisunod? Kung na roamed na niya ang tibuok universe or say kalibutan lang, atong i-compare daw iyang life against the Lord Jesus Christ?

    If you cant follow Jesus' footseps here on earth , still ang TRUTH nimo are only words . It will never be in deeds and you can reflect again on what I said about the ATHEIST. Now its your turn to dig the core deeper.
    Jesus didn’t came to this world to make bad people good but in order to make dead people live. No need to dig deeper part coz I now have christ in me! He already made it for me. I am now complete in Him.

    Ok ... lets put it this way. I am hesitant to acknowledge the Holy See , should I use Manalo , Quiboloy ,
    Soriano , Luther etc teachings as my reference ?
    Use the bible as your reference not any man or his ideas. Kung taw imong reference part, surely youll have a very confusing belief kay mag-usab2 na every now and then.

    You would not find the answer in that manner because the research you will be conducting has already the premonition of a bias approach kay ug di ni sila ANTI in nature na , they are AGAINST in nature na man daan . Mura bitaw ug panahon sa DICTATORSHIP ni Marcos during the Martial Law , mind you if you did not grow up during that time , its ok for you pero kung naka hibalo lang ka comparing all the govt leaders from Cory to Noy2 , maka ingon ka mas maayo pa martial Law na lang balik ug si Marcos gihapon ang presidente nato. That is what you call real TRUTH because you did not only hear from it but you lived it.
    I don’t see any bias part if we will go directly to the word of God. I would like to cite an example, if pope imong basis then unsa imong reaction kung masayop siya like this issue? sad but true.
    A Growing Vatican Bank Scandal Threatens Catholic Church Image - SPIEGEL ONLINE

    Sorry I am not interested to talk about politics part.

    Wrong ka again . You will never be a true Christian lage kung ang pag acknowledge nimo sa Word of God kutob lang sa knowing and walay doing. Although you sounded generalizing the Roman Catholic's , still i will give you the benefit of the doubt since there is a partial truth in it . We are not saints , we are all sinners to include you and your church leader also.
    Kaila na diay ka nako kay nakaingon manka nga knowing walay doing? Yes no exemption. But Christians are already cleansed by the blood of the lamb. That’s the difference of your ideas and ours.

    When it si done in a FANATIC , FRUSTRATING and DESPERATE WAY , do you think you are doing it right ? Hehehehe .... dako dako jud na siya na problema nimo bai. Ngutana lang ko , ngano ang concern nimo/ninyo is HOW TO GET SAVED MAN ?
    Telling/sharing the truth is not a desperate moves. Kinsa bay namugos namo diri? In fact it shows that we Christians are compassionate to share the truth of the gospel.\

    Because salvation is the most important thing we mortal men need to understand. In Mark 8:36
    It says, For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
    You are clearly joking when you say we have less knowledge sa gospel , that is because we dont read it word for word and take it literally ? Understand it by heart and you will be saved . Pwede pa na lol.
    See? You’re asking why we are so concerned about how to get saved and here you stated that you are “NOT ignorant” of the gospel. Unsa may I take nimo kung wla kay knowledge?

    It dont matter who . Even Mahatma Gandhi by heart is a REAL CHRISTIAN because you can clearly see his works and accomplishments here on earth of what is being asked in every Christian deeds. Even ang ang katoliko so you wont feel awkward , acts more like an Atheist sometime and the real Atheist are more Christianly in their words and in actions . Based ani na scenario , you are only clearly showing me that ikaw ang walay knowledge sa gospels.

    You only remind me of the Pharisees .
    Why the need for God to send Jesus in order to die on the cross kung pwede raman diay good works atong basihan? You can browse through sa topic nga “are we saved by faith alone”…

    It’s only an excuse part. Be matured.

    Wrong analogy na pod ka. Who said that POPE , PASTORS and our OWN PERSONAL IDEAS are the center of our lives ? mao an diha karon , you clearly say something that is baseless. If you read clearly my post and really analyze it , people outside ROMAN CATHOLICISM claims of something that does not really work . You never hear the RC say something about who will be saved , who will enter Heaven , who is to be judged , who are the REAL CHRISTIANS . Gets na nimo ?
    Kana diay imong belief that even atheists will go to heaven dili diay na imo-imoha ra nga idea?
    Of course dili sila makaingon ana kay mostly sa ilaha less man ug knowledge about the gospel and salvation. Kay wala mana gitudlo mainly sa ilaha. Try to ask any catholics nga naglaroy2 or driver about those things para masabtan nimo akong point! \
    I dont see anything aggressive about it . Imoha pod na and I cant take that away from you , I do respect your opinion but you can never shove something in my throat ilabi na ug BIBLICALLY SPEAKING na nature.
    Hehehe.. thanks for that part. I respect yours also. Normal lang ning mga opposing words usahay kay we’re trying to defend our belief man sad.

    God bless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40 View Post
    Part ... you never answered my questions . All you had are OPINIONS that are way out of context.

    You can always come up with your own INTERPRETATION about the bible , I would not be amazed that you will also have yout own INTERPRETATION about the ROMAN CATHOLIC RELIGION . Hehehehe pag tsur oi ! Unless you can answer me LOGICALLY and not BIBLICALLY because you can never reconcile it . Mao gani PROTESTANT , rooted from the word PROTEST.
    The Bible is pretty simple to understand but difficult to do if useless tradition is contradicting it.
    Yes how can you get the correct interpretation of the Bible if the RC is not basing their beliefe in the Bible or worse contradicting the Bible.

    Its illogical how can you say that someone is wrong in interpreting a certain book when you yourself don't read the book?
    your baseless argument is purely an assumption and blind propaganda.
    Unless if you can prove or present evidence that we have the wrong interpretation then we can have a more sensible discussion.

    Jesuit Catechism:
    Q. What if the Holy Scriptures command one thing, and the Pope another contrary to it?
    A. The Holy Scriptures must be thrown aside.

    (Roy Livesey, 1998 Understanding the New Age: World Government and World Religion (Chichester, England: New Wine Press, p. 104.)

    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
    2 Timothy 3:16
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    keep reading this part...
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    ONE WORLD RELIGION> mao bitaw ni dako kayo nga agenda ron part. Coz it will cost the lives of those who opposes it. Most specially christianity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by heliopause View Post
    @springfield

    Your version of truth? Not for those who are true to their belief in Christ. Ask most pastors kung nindot ba ang income sa ilang negosyo. Much worse, kinabuhi nila ug sa ilang pamilya gitaya diha.
    Everyones TRUTH . Eevryone knows that RELIGION is a business in one way or the other. Specially karon sa mga Christian denominations. Why would I ask the pastors sa negosyo nila ? I am not talking about their respective businesses , I am talking about the denomination and the money making scheme it conducts .

    Kung nganlan tikaw ug kawatan though dili tinuod, dili ka ma offend? Does it mean kung na offend ang taw it follows nga guilty sya? Hmmm. Your proposition only implies nga tanan diri nga naay religion tabla rag nisulod sa usa ka negosyo. Which is a big mistake!
    Wrong analogy na pod ka bai. KNowing that chunk of information thrown at me that carris no substance ? NOPE , I dont get offended . I might take some actions to correct it but it doesnt mean I get offended. Thus it follows kung na offend ka , meaning tinuod.

    Let me illustrate it clearly:
    Religion – A belief system (catholics, protestants, etc)
    Church – The body of believers of Jesus Christ (members of a certain group) not the building
    Unsa diay ning imong church walay religion? or nagtuo ka nga kamo nga neither catholics, protestant, etc. (probably freemasons, rosicrucians) kamo maoy nagcomprised sa church? Dili ba matawag man gihapon na nga religion?
    You are twisting what I say . Are we in the same page bai ? Review your post by side tracking how it started or why it was rooted . Di kay sa present lang ko mo tan-aw na quote , it will not only confuse you but mislead you also.

    Lost/unbelievers who doesn’t know about the salvation offered by Christ. Any members with any group basta naconvert tungod kay nakasabot ug nagdawat sa kaluwasan which we can only find in Jesus Christ.

    Sakto ka di jud ta magkasabot kay lain2 atong Ginoo. Dili man diay based sa bible imong pag acknowledge sa truth.
    Bai ... aron ka masayod , hehehe pasabta daw ko how you would end up in that conclusion of finding thre TRUTH through the bible ? Again that is subjective , not in anyones authority lamang , directives nor interpretations na.

    Although ang issue karon is mistaking me for wrongdoings tungod kay I avoid BIBLICAL reasoning , is that a suggestion already ? Hehehehe clearly another desperate and frustrated approach bai on your end .

    As I said, dili ta magkasabot kay lahi2 atong ginoo. I believe in the God of the bible.
    Kinsa may gihukman namo diri nga dili pasudlon sa langit or ipabutang namo sa impierno? Yes we have no right to judge anybody. Ang pagjudge sa taw dili gihapon na makausab sa judgment sa ginoo. What we said are based solely on the words of the bible.
    Review your post on why I quoted you specifically ani . Naa didto ang tubag sa pangutana nimo . Beating the bush man gud , ga tuyok2 na lang ba.

    Nah. Mag struggle hinuon ko ug convince nimo? Wala mankoy makuha kung motuo ka or dili. I am just sharing what Ive known as truth based on the bible. Wala koy intention nga moconvert ug taw coz it is the power of God that will change a man.

    Your idea is likely from hinduism. There is no such thing as good or evil. Same thing. But unfair lang kay ikaw mismo dili christian or muslim but wala jud ka moshare sad kung unsay imong belief. Gusto ka motira namo pero ikaw dili magpatira!

    Gi share na baya koni diri. Baptist History - A Brief Survey Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches - What they are and What is their History
    Do you mean non-catholics (protestants, baptists) walay basis? daghanay dili mao sa imong statement oi.
    Ako sad ask nimo, kinsa man ang writer/author sa teachings nga imong gisunod? Kung na roamed na niya ang tibuok universe or say kalibutan lang, atong i-compare daw iyang life against the Lord Jesus Christ?
    First things first , di nimo ma reconcile ang BIBLICALLY SPEAKING and LOGICALLY SPEAKING . Ikaduha , mas worst , you are stating something that is way out of context on the points you are trying to cover . Simply , be in the same page with me first then discuss , di man magpang abot atong coordinates gyud kay lagpas man ang gi yawyaw nimo sa imohang gusto i punto por punto nako na statement.

    I dont know asa ka na langub ga lumlum , if you are still not getting it that I am a ROMAN CATHOLIC ambot na lang gyud nimo hehehe . There is no right or wrong ? How did you end up with that conclusion ?

    Lastly ... your history does not at all confirmed how it started but claimed only which is far fetched from how the real factual events started .

    Jesus didn’t came to this world to make bad people good but in order to make dead people live. No need to dig deeper part coz I now have christ in me! He already made it for me. I am now complete in Him.
    A man of great humility . Lupig man mga santos. The very people who became saints because they almost perfected on following the footsteps of Christ and here in iTORYA.net , we have one ! Wow ! COngrats bai for achieving that such feat ! Again ... by saying about BAD PEOPLE , DEAD PEOPLE etc ... it only shows how things are interpeted . I am not saying you are wrong ... but please dont tell that is right either. So how do you conclude that ?

    Use the bible as your reference not any man or his ideas. Kung taw imong reference part, surely youll have a very confusing belief kay mag-usab2 na every now and then.

    I don’t see any bias part if we will go directly to the word of God. I would like to cite an example, if pope imong basis then unsa imong reaction kung masayop siya like this issue? sad but true.
    A Growing Vatican Bank Scandal Threatens Catholic Church Image - SPIEGEL ONLINE
    Tell that to the BAPTIST PASTOR or whatever CHURCH LEADER you have. I am sure , partly kung mo sugot ka because of factual circumstances , some of your statements here are from what you have gatheree from your church. Sadly though , it is still an interpretation of a HUMAN BEING . So please cease to advocate about BIBLE lage telling me to look for answers in the bible.

    I am not saying wala kay makuha , but I am hoping you would not say that you found out the answer because the bible is your reference. What if lahi ang akong interpretation ? Worst lahi ka ug interpretation sa ministro pod nimo ? Kinsa ang sakto sa 3 / Ako , ikaw or ang ministro nimo ?

    Kung sakyan nako ang concerns nimo , kung tuod ma konbikto si Bro. Eli Soriano , does that legitimately proceed to the demise of the ADD group or addresses all members na RAPIST pod ? Intawn oi where is your analogy na ? Too much biblically speaking man ka gud without even grasping the idea basta mo subay lang sa wordings sa mga bersikulo .

    Sorry I am not interested to talk about politics part.
    And why not ? I am not talking about it either , I am giving you an easier to comprehend analogy kay constricted ra kaayo ka sa bible yet ang nagpamatuod na ikaw mura man diay ug kabayo kay straight ra ang panan-aw . So what happened to your another claim of being a person who is FRANK and OPEN MINDED ? Lol .

    Kaila na diay ka nako kay nakaingon manka nga knowing walay doing? Yes no exemption. But Christians are already cleansed by the blood of the lamb. That’s the difference of your ideas and ours.
    Do you really think I would believe in you ? Heck even in the strictest sense of the Roman Catholic Dogma's , you would not even fit in close to being a person who is the STATE of GRACE bai . Over ka ha ! How would you arrive in the conclusion of being cleansed ? Because you are a BAPTIST ? very unfortunate for us because that belief is only limited to yours , how about us ? Ikaw ra ma luwas diay ?

    Telling/sharing the truth is not a desperate moves. Kinsa bay namugos namo diri? In fact it shows that we Christians are compassionate to share the truth of the gospel.\
    You want an example ? Look at the forumers like in the person of SANTOPAPS , MSWIZARD , etc .... check them out and come back here . 2 ra gani na sila ... maybe of the same person lang . How much more sa tibuok kawal ? Hehehe .

    Because salvation is the most important thing we mortal men need to understand. In Mark 8:36
    It says, For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
    So tell me lage how one can be saved ? So far , dgahan claims na ka diri about TRUTH but still , it is not certain . I never disagreed with that verse , ang ako lang ipaklaro sa imoha since ang INTERPRETATION man nimo anga tong tukion diri . Dili pa ka ana , we are now inclining about BIBLICALLY SPEAKING . Tan-awn lang nato unsa ka tinuod jud.

    See? You’re asking why we are so concerned about how to get saved and here you stated that you are “NOT ignorant” of the gospel. Unsa may I take nimo kung wla kay knowledge?
    Another lost sheep . Mind you that maski kins ana tao pangutan-on nimo regardless unsay religion nila , unless stucked ka sa notion which I really pity kay mga fellow CHRISTIANS ra pod , the HOLY BIBLE is a BOOK ABOUT THE GREATEST LOVE STORY EVER TOLD and NOT THE BOOK YOU ARE THINKING OF AS A SURVIVALIST BOOK.

    Why the need for God to send Jesus in order to die on the cross kung pwede raman diay good works atong basihan? You can browse through sa topic nga “are we saved by faith alone”…
    How do you reconcile the LOVE of GOD is UNCONDITIONAL . You are again JUDGING and that is not right . On behalf sa statement nimo , you are also isolting it as WE ARE SAVE BY FAITH ALONE lang pod. Sakto ?

    It’s only an excuse part. Be matured.
    Its not ... I am serious when I say that most Christians now remind sme of the PHARISEES . Puro bibliya ug storya , walay pagsabot ug buhat. Dont worry ... apil ang mga Katoliko ana hehehe .Heck sometimes apil gani ko but never ever tell me that ikaw EXCEMPTED because you were cleansed by the blood of the Lamb . Storbot na bai.

    Kana diay imong belief that even atheists will go to heaven dili diay na imo-imoha ra nga idea?
    Of course dili sila makaingon ana kay mostly sa ilaha less man ug knowledge about the gospel and salvation. Kay wala mana gitudlo mainly sa ilaha. Try to ask any catholics nga naglaroy2 or driver about those things para masabtan nimo akong point!
    You are being SELECTIVE now. How can you preach about SALVATION when you are only focusing on people who doesnt agree with you ? Now I challenged you to convinced me but di man ka , so how can you justify your cause of EVANGELIZATION now ? Pang SHOWBIZ ra diay ni unya BIBLIYA kay props ? Tsk tsk tsk .

    Hehehe.. thanks for that part. I respect yours also. Normal lang ning mga opposing words usahay kay we’re trying to defend our belief man sad.
    I never defended my belief since I have a strong faith. I am only discussing something unless wala nimo ma noticed that all the issues being talked about are sa part lang ninyo. Not that I am mocking it or disrespecting but for the record and last time I checked , whoever uses and resorts to BIBLICALLY SPEAKING , mao na ang mo depensa since bibliya man ang last line of defense.

    Godbless you also.
    " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. " - 2nd Amendment , Bill of Rights of the United States of America

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshiro View Post
    The Bible is pretty simple to understand but difficult to do if useless tradition is contradicting it.
    Yes how can you get the correct interpretation of the Bible if the RC is not basing it in the Bible or worse contradicting the Bible.
    Another great man of HUMILITY ! Simple to understand on your own terms but never ever tell me that your INTERPETATION or someones like your pastor's who taught you that it is the correct , accurate and right interpretation because that is not right at all .

    The only people who keeps on saying that the RC contradicts the bible are the very people also who are against RC , protest's against RC and best of all , contradicts RC.

    Makes sense amigo ?

    Its illogical how can you say that someone is wrong in interpreting a certain book when you yourself don't read the book?
    Can you justify that with a data ?

    your baseless argument is purely an assumption and blind propaganda.
    Wrong .... I am only echoing what was said centuries ago also . All the rebuttals made towards your kind questions and confusions as PROTESTANTS . Like Isaid as ana gikan ang mga questions nimo ?

    Unless if you can prove or present evidence that we have the wrong interpretation then we can have a more sensible discussion.
    The moment the PROTESTANTS can reconcile the rationale of the ROMAN CATHOLIC DOGMA'S . Impossible right ? Mao bitaw ni buwag mo kay di ninyo take.

    Are you seriously saying na SAKTO and ACCURATE in the strictest sense gyud ang INTERPRETATIONS sa mga PROTESTANTS ? Hurot na akong bilib ninyo part.

    Jesuit Catechism:
    Q. What if the Holy Scriptures command one thing, and the Pope another contrary to it?
    A. The Holy Scriptures must be thrown aside.
    Says Roy Livesly ? The answer would sound ridiculous but in an attempt to use commonsense relating to modern day POPES , how would they contradict such thing ?

    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness
    2 Timothy 3:16
    So what does this mean ? UNless kumpletuhon nimo ang sentence then makuha nimo ang tumong. Incomplete man ka so you will end up misleaded or ma confuse . Imo unta gi post 2 TIMOTHY 3: 15 - 17 , makes more sense.

    Ahak nimo oi ... ngano na apil man ko sa BIBLICALLY SPEAKING na pod nimo hi hi hi .

    Lastly ... wala nimo gi answer ang question nako . Selective lang ka sa as aka comfortable mo discuss .
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40 View Post
    Another great man of HUMILITY ! Simple to understand on your own terms but never ever tell me that your INTERPETATION or someones like your pastor's who taught you that it is the correct , accurate and right interpretation because that is not right at all .

    The only people who keeps on saying that the RC contradicts the bible are the very people also who are against RC , protest's against RC and best of all , contradicts RC.

    Makes sense amigo ?



    Can you justify that with a data ?



    Wrong .... I am only echoing what was said centuries ago also . All the rebuttals made towards your kind questions and confusions as PROTESTANTS . Like Isaid as ana gikan ang mga questions nimo ?



    The moment the PROTESTANTS can reconcile the rationale of the ROMAN CATHOLIC DOGMA'S . Impossible right ? Mao bitaw ni buwag mo kay di ninyo take.

    Are you seriously saying na SAKTO and ACCURATE in the strictest sense gyud ang INTERPRETATIONS sa mga PROTESTANTS ? Hurot na akong bilib ninyo part.



    Says Roy Livesly ? The answer would sound ridiculous but in an attempt to use commonsense relating to modern day POPES , how would they contradict such thing ?



    So what does this mean ? UNless kumpletuhon nimo ang sentence then makuha nimo ang tumong. Incomplete man ka so you will end up misleaded or ma confuse . Imo unta gi post 2 TIMOTHY 3: 15 - 17 , makes more sense.

    Ahak nimo oi ... ngano na apil man ko sa BIBLICALLY SPEAKING na pod nimo hi hi hi .

    Lastly ... wala nimo gi answer ang question nako . Selective lang ka sa as aka comfortable mo discuss .
    Another great man of HUMILITY ! Simple to understand on your own terms but never ever tell me that your INTERPETATION or someones like your pastor's who taught you that it is the correct , accurate and right interpretation because that is not right at all .
    Again no proof or explanation on your claims that we are wrong. Again its baseless.

    The only people who keeps on saying that the RC contradicts the bible are the very people also who are against RC , protest's against RC and best of all , contradicts RC.
    I agree with this. Again the protestants sided with the Bible and the RC contradicted the Bible the protestants simply chose the Bible and God.

    Can you justify that with a data ?
    Roman Catholicism: An Unbiblical Religion
    If there are so many evidences and data that doesn't mean that they don't exist.
    Just need a little "reading time"

    And you avoiding bible topics is a clear hint.
    Even if you read the Bible you would not be following it since you are a catholic are you not? Roman Catholicism: An Unbiblical Religion

    Wrong .... I am only echoing what was said centuries ago also . All the rebuttals made towards your kind questions and confusions as PROTESTANTS . Like Isaid as ana gikan ang mga questions nimo ?
    Oh yes "Someone said it centuries ago" from someone passed to someone and to someone and so forth.
    What a reliable data you have "since someone says so"? or someone echoes so?
    Isn't that blindness and illogical?
    If you are investigating a crime would you consult the evidence and analyze the data and therefore realize the truth.
    In your case you base your conclusion on someone from a higher authority that "says so."
    To tell you honestly you are conditioned in your mind to accept blind obedience.
    Blind obedience like a corpse

    I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ.
    do you even know this oath?

    The moment the PROTESTANTS can reconcile the rationale of the ROMAN CATHOLIC DOGMA'S . Impossible right ? Mao bitaw ni buwag mo kay di ninyo take.
    Yes indeed, they are totally opposite. Like Christ and Anti-Christ(Vicar of Christ or Substitute of Christ)

    Are you seriously saying na SAKTO and ACCURATE in the strictest sense gyud ang INTERPRETATIONS sa mga PROTESTANTS ? Hurot na akong bilib ninyo part.
    There are other protestant denominations that misinterpret the Bible especially those that collaborated or reunited with the RC.
    Its another thing for an organization to openly and blatantly contradict the Bible and that is the stand and tradition of the RC.

    It seems that you are so confused about religion out there.
    There is one thing that you need to know study the Bible more.

    Says Roy Livesly ? The answer would sound ridiculous but in an attempt to use commonsense relating to modern day POPES , how would they contradict such thing ?
    Again there are things that the RC still practices today that contradict the Biblical doctrine.
    See post#139 on this same thread.

    So what does this mean ? UNless kumpletuhon nimo ang sentence then makuha nimo ang tumong. Incomplete man ka so you will end up misleaded or ma confuse . Imo unta gi post 2 TIMOTHY 3: 15 - 17 , makes more sense.
    Ok I'll complete it for you.

    And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
    2 Timothy 3:15-17

    So what can you say about these verses?

    Ahak nimo oi ... ngano na apil man ko sa BIBLICALLY SPEAKING na pod nimo hi hi hi .

    Lastly ... wala nimo gi answer ang question nako . Selective lang ka sa as aka comfortable mo discuss .
    Since your questions would lead to personal attacks and a persons credibility but not their ideas.
    I'm not attacking a person but his ideas. If you attack a person and not the idea, that would lead to a worthless discussion because its all about a person speaking and not the idea. This would lead to attack a his personal attributes and more on gossip rather than a sensible discussion.

    There is a saying:
    "Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people."
    Last edited by Kenshiro; 07-05-2012 at 11:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshiro View Post
    Again no proof or explanation on your claims that we are wrong. Again its baseless.
    The stand here is that , kamo man ang break away group , kamo ang mo provide ug PROOF na sayop ang RC . nabali na man nuon lol . You guys are wrong in terms of providing a counterpart of your protest . Unless lage ma reconcile nimo then it will be baseless , whats the point of PROTESTING ?

    I agree with this. Again the protestants sided with the Bible and the RC contradicted the Bible the protestants simply chose the Bible and God.
    Mas nindot man diay ka storya ang mga BAPTIST because as much as they have their own understanding of what they preach , you on the other hand in behalf of the Protestants if its ok with you unless di na siya protestant doctrines ang gi serve nimo sa almisa nato , samot ka dehado because personal point of views ra diay but if you are really inclined of the Protestant teachings , give me a valid reason why di nimo or ninyo madawat ang unsay gi provide na explanation and rebuttal s ainyoha even way back maski buhi pa si Martin Luther ? In denial stage ? Just because di ninyo ma take , it doesnt justify na CONTADICTION na siya , matod lamang na ninyo or nimo but it is not certain so please refrain from telling me "Again the protestants sided with the Bible and the RC contradicted the Bible the protestants simply chose the Bible and God. "

    Roman Catholicism: An Unbiblical Religion
    If there are so many evidences and data that doesn't mean that they don't exist.
    Just need a little "reading time"
    How about realizing first how reliable the source is ? kana bitaw , it doesnt carry any bias teaching . Why dont you provide a data that portrays a study by an independent body .

    Its very contradicting when one contradicts the bible . Answer this with a yes or no , gi bugu-an na lang gyud ka sa mga Katoliko that you dont give substance on there is a printed version that carries IMPRIMATUR and NIHIL OBSTAT ? Lets say bogo ang mga katoliko kay ga buot2 , unya bright ang PROTESTANTE ? it does not follow anything bai because according ninyo , by siding with the bible and god does not at all provide certainty because MAN MADE INTERPRETATIONS ra gihapon ang gi carry ninyo just like everyone.

    And you avoiding bible topics is a clear hint.
    Even if you read the Bible you would not be following it since you are a catholic are you not? Roman Catholicism: An Unbiblical Religion
    Huh ? Me being a Catholic justifies what ? I am not avoiding the bible at all , I just refuse to engage in discussions that creates MISLEADING INTERPRETATIONS . Nahh murag gubang plaka na gyud ta ani Ken.

    Maulaw intawn ka oi . Not that BIBLICALLY SPEAKING is wrong but between me and you ? Wala ka maikog? Well of course and most likely dili because kung mag duha duha ka , double standard ka and masumbalik nimo ang point na FANATIC , DESPERATE and FRUSRATED sa BIBLIYA. But ... whatever you present here , naa jud na WAIVER and you call that , a PROTESTANTS INTERPRETATION and never ever tell me or us that mao na ang TRUTH .

    Oh yes "Someone said it centuries ago" from someone passed to someone and to someone and so forth.
    What a reliable data you have "since someone says so"? or someone echoes so?
    Isn't that blindness and illogical?
    If you are investigating a crime would you consult the evidence and analyze the data and therefore realize the truth.
    In your case you base your conclusion on someone from a higher authority that "says so."
    To tell you honestly you are conditioned in your mind to accept blind obedience.


    Blind obedience like a corpse

    do you even know this oath?
    If that is the case , then so are you and all of you . You accepted in BLIND OBEDIENCE the teachings of Martin Luther unless you are now implying of discrediting HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS . Well historical accounts way older than 1500's just to make you happy.


    Yes indeed, they are totally opposite. Like Christ and Anti-Christ(Vicar of Christ or Substitute of Christ)
    Another misleading information from you in behalf of the Protestants .

    First , again for the nth time, you avoided to answer it and I dont know why. Ken , when you say centuries ago , it only covers 100 years but then Protestantism existed for more than 400 years now. So what does that tell you ? Asa man gikan ang mga Protestante ? So answer my question first before ka mo sulti ug blind faith , corpse2 uns apa na . Mao na ang pure baseless.

    There are other protestant denominations that misinterpret the Bible especially those that collaborated or reunited with the RC.
    Its another thing for an organization to openly and blatantly contradict the Bible and that is the stand and tradition of the RC.
    The moment I said hurot na akong bilib nimo is because you are now displaying IGNORANCE instead of ARROGANCE. of course you target RC because diha man mo gikan , do you think mo exist mo without RC ? NOPE and chances are , will never be but then to put a fine line sa separation , why are you guys so concerned and focus sa RC ? When all awhile that you thought of na CONTADICTING ang BELIEFS namo , wa mo say sa uban like ISLAM , HINDUISM or BUDDHISM ? Unless salvation na pod storyahan hap na di gani ka protestante di ka maluwas hi hi hi .

    It seems that you are so confused about religion out there.
    There is one thing that you need to know study the Bible more.
    You never relate RELIGION with BIBLE . Di mo tugma na Ken . Heck even ATHEIST reads the bible but treats it as a NON FICTION , FAIRYTALE BOOK . But 1 thing for sure , they picked up something useful in their lives which we call MORALS yes do you see anything under the sun about RELIGION ?

    Again there are things that the RC still practices today that contradict the Biblical doctrine.
    See post#139 on this same thread.
    Ahhhh INDULGENCES . Do you really think that was a reliable source ? Cmon ! You are smarter than that , not all what you read makes it . of all ang Santo Papa pa jud ni command ? Lols nimo oi ! Storbot to bai . Is it not funny that a PROSTESTANT like you would know about it and here I am na KATOLIKO and clueless about it ? Isnt ironic ?

    Ok I'll complete it for you.

    And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
    2 Timothy 3:15-17

    So what can you say about these verses?
    No , you tell me about it. Because the moment you stated something that is incomplete would project a different stand compared to the complete ones.

    Since your questions would lead to personal attacks and a persons credibility but not their ideas.
    I'm not attacking a person but his ideas. If you attack a person and not the idea, that would lead to a worthless discussion because its all about a person speaking and not the idea. This would lead to attack a his personal attributes and more on gossip rather than a sensible discussion.
    There are exceptions . Unless naka abot ka sa SnO before , you would realize that RELIGION does not carry anything worthwhile discussing because of reasons not limited to this , you cant and will never RECONCILE anything if its based from BIBLICALLY SPEAKING against LOGICALLY SPEAKING . Much more on simpler terms , PROTESTANTS and ROMAN CATHOLICS . Wala nay kahumanan because naa pa , wala unta mo karon right ? Sakto ?

    There is a saying:
    "Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people."
    Too bad .... the only great people I see here is an individual in the person of Martin Luther . Kenshiro and Springy ? Part kita na ang mga SMALL PEOPLE . Dont talk about ideas when it is not yours specially if you make it sound yours.
    Last edited by SPRINGFIELD_XD_40; 07-06-2012 at 12:28 AM.
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    Default Re: Are All “Christians” Christian?

    And for the record , this will be my last post towards the thread that caters the issue of ROMAN CATHOLICS and PROTESTANTS. Not that I refuse to exchange ideas but for obvious reasons na walay daug. All I see are PROTEST so its better to leave it like that . mahibaw-an ra bitaw na kinsay malangit hi hi hi . To you Kenshiro , have a good one. Take your chance and give it your utmost reasoning why there is a need jud to protest because of the " contradictions " yet take it also into consideration that as much as wala niom gi answer akong mga questions , I am confident to know that as much as you know how to come up with the questions of Protestants towards RC's , you also know that these has explanations from RC's towards Protestants . Its just a matter of accepting it instead of labeling it as contradicting . It would be very unpleasant to know that you are indeed a wide reader and you dont have an open mind since you told me to be read a little bit , it justifies that you are equipped with the questions formulated by Martin Luther. Kung asa na site nimo gi kuha ang questions Ken , for sure naa ra pod didto ang tubag. Di lang ninyo madawat so unsay mahims namo ? Wala di ba so walay daug kay walay reconciliation but still kami mga RC , mo pray gihapon mi sa taas na kamo tanan maluwas .
    " A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. " - 2nd Amendment , Bill of Rights of the United States of America

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