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[bleedingboi]

UN can't declare war nor can dictate ...



" The Americans abandoned us in World War II to establish a base in Australia. They left us to be killed, raped and be dominated by the Japanese..."


...P.S. For an intellectual discourse, please research and read. I recommend International Law by Cruz. Its a huge disappointment when I discuss with someone who makes false generalization.

OT: To change poeple's mind regarding the Pacific war. This is a huge deference, a disrespect to American war veterans who left their wives and family to fight for the Philippines. And especially to my Granddad who left the US and dodge bullets to defend this archipelago.

I do agree that General MacArthur wasn't the best or a brilliant general compared to Chester Nimitz, who was the real brain behind the victory in the Pacific. But he did made a good decision to declare Manila as an open city, allow the Japanese to establish occupation, and lessen the amount of casualties to both Filipino/ American soldiers by drawing back south to Australia, while coordinating with the Guerilla forces in the Philippines to weaken the Japs.

You can call this abandonement, but both Filipino and American officials didn't have any options, this is the only way to reduce bloodshed. You cannot jump into an enemy's midbase, and establish post. You need to start from one side and start your way to it's heartland, (ask any war strategist).
After Pearl Harbor the United States Pacific Fleet was greatly crippled, and for the first 6 months or so the Allies suffered defeat after defeat in the Pacific.

The only way to defeat Japan was to start from south, destroy Japanese airfields, cut their supply lines reinforcements, and carve upwards Island by island.

And regarding your statement about rape, death, domination... For zeus' thundering butthole, this is World war 2. All military occupations create this tragedy.
Soviet rape on Berlin, The French REsistance, Four day of Naples, Manchuria, all of them. This is inevitable. So you blame the Americans on why our women got raped by the Japs?

Man, do you even read history books? I assume you do not.

[whiteKelso]

Is there a real possibility?

Paper says China should be ready for small-scale war with Phl - The Philippine Star » News » Headlines

naa bay kawatan nga mo angkon? War is deception. it woudnt matter if they declare or not. As long as they see holes in our country, they would see it as a weakness. And once weakness is spotted, they are ready to plant the virus. Massive annihilation cant get in coz it will provoke the whole UN nation.....

[Crinkles11]

To Walker
Maayong buntag dha bro...
Nitubag na ni messerchmitt ani nga pangutana, I hope imo sad ni tubagon. Thanks daan.

Kung kapitan ka sa barku bro den nagsakay imong pamilya unya nalunod, Unsa imong unang buhaton?

Your question is trying to test us whether to be considered as "bookish" or more on theory or on actual application. I tell you, being a Captain of the ship, I will first save the passengers including my family and make sure everybody is secured before going out of the ship. An officer should be the last one to get out.


The way you asked question sounds to be a Chinese decent or Made in China.

[Crinkles11]

Maayong buntag dha bro!

Sorry, I'm referring to the question, "Kinsa ang nakaunsa sa ScarShoal?". The word "nakaunsa".

Aw sorry bro nasayop ko ug type ani. Nagpasabot ba ni bro nga tungod sa akong typo-error wala ka nakakasabot? Should I say Technically or Logically?

Who are the members of UNCLOS?

As of June 2011, the Convention had 162 signatories. The Philippines signed it on May 8, 1984, while China signed it on June 7, 1996.

Bro kun wa ko masayop wala ni signed ang China rather ratified. I think kaning 162 countries imong gimean dili ni pirma ang tanan, kung wa ko masayop ang uban ni uyon but naay mga conditions.

[shal213]

OT: To change poeple's mind regarding the Pacific war. This is a huge deference, a disrespect to American war veterans who left their wives and family to fight for the Philippines. And especially to my Granddad who left the US and dodge bullets to defend this archipelago.

I do agree that General MacArthur wasn't the best or a brilliant general compared to Chester Nimitz, who was the real brain behind the victory in the Pacific. But he did made a good decision to declare Manila as an open city, allow the Japanese to establish occupation, and lessen the amount of casualties to both Filipino/ American soldiers by drawing back south to Australia, while coordinating with the Guerilla forces in the Philippines to weaken the Japs.

You can call this abandonement, but both Filipino and American officials didn't have any options, this is the only way to reduce bloodshed. You cannot jump into an enemy's midbase, and establish post. You need to start from one side and start your way to it's heartland, (ask any war strategist).
After Pearl Harbor the United States Pacific Fleet was greatly crippled, and for the first 6 months or so the Allies suffered defeat after defeat in the Pacific.

The only way to defeat Japan was to start from south, destroy Japanese airfields, cut their supply lines reinforcements, and carve upwards Island by island.

And regarding your statement about rape, death, domination... For zeus' thundering butthole, this is World war 2. All military occupations create this tragedy.
Soviet rape on Berlin, The French REsistance, Four day of Naples, Manchuria, all of them. This is inevitable. So you blame the Americans on why our women got raped by the Japs?

Man, do you even read history books? I assume you do not.

You actually made my argument. I mean no offense to anyone here but to heavily rely on the US and talking about war. Isn't it better to avoid massive conflict especially when weapons available now can wipe out cities at a time? My point is that never trust another country when it comes to policy making as they put their interest first before others. You may view the US as the fearless protector of the world, but let reality sink in that their individual soldiers maybe honorable but their system may not be as honorable.

And just to heat up the conversation a little bit, didn't the allied force ask the US to assist them during the start of the WWII? They sent weapons, goods, artillery and such but only committed to the war when the Harbor was attacked. Neutrality Act of 1930s.

So, you may say that you read a lot of history books but don't try to make an argument on incomplete data.

[messerchtmitt]

@shal213:


Why UN didn’t stop Iraq and Afghanistan from US invasion? First, America is one of the big members of the UN Security Council, which is composed of great powers and the victors of WWII. Second, America is fighting for terrorism in which those countries have a direct involvement with terror networks. Pakistan is next. Try to check this out - Georgia
“Rumors are just so old fashioned”. What if this is true? I do believe there are old fashioned ways that are still effective in modern times. “Old school”.

I think you will need to read more history books. I have never heard Americans left us especially during WWII. Japanese that time was well equipped which the Americans stands off guard. Gen. MacArthur left the Philippines for Australia with reasons where they transferred the headquarters but at the expense of Gen. Jonathan Wainwright which later surrender to Japan Empire. But that was not the end, Gen. MacArthur had promised to return and made Manila an Open City just to prevent Japanese atrocities. That was a good intentions. In 1945, MacArthur and its contingent attack Philippines from Japan. American troops in the Visayas had easily swept all Japanese garrison as compared in Luzon. This was also with the help of Filipino guerrillas (or the American success in the Philippines was with the help of our grandfather and father who fought for freedom). America didn't actually abandoned us during WWII, they came back for us. Don't twist the history.

In WWI, though they wouldn't see any combat - Military history of Asian Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

In Vietnam, It was Pres. Nixon's plan, Nixon Doctrine or a policy known as "Vietnamization policy" which is also the same doctrine as Pres. Kennedy. "To fight their own war". Secretary of Defense James R. Schlesinger stated that he would recommend resumption of U.S. bombing in North Vietnam if North Vietnam launched a major offensive against South Vietnam. On 4 June 1973, the U.S. Senate passed the Case-Church Amendment to prohibit such intervention. Plus the American public and the whole world population doesn't support fully to the US intervention in Vietnam. In this case, how could they win this war while losing moral support? You cannot win the war without public support. Commies in those times talked sugar coated propaganda that convince ordinary people especially the peasant which they don’t have proper education. Professionals and gov’t employees and officials have been executed by the commies because this kind of people knows what is wrong or right though there were no data on how many professional are available in the 50’s to 70’s.(Wikipedia)

Sounds like your inclination to Chinese. Though you said, "you do not support China nor anti-patriotic". Looks like a sugar coated statement.

"generalization again. Let me rephrase a previous post in this thread; "they can't even stake their claim towards Taiwan or Chinese Taipei". I would love to reply to this but please cite arguments that can be discussed not opinion based on ignorance."

Do you think there is no possibilities or it won't happen, China nowadays are building military hardware and weapons. They even bought the old Varyag class aircraft carrier from Russia and they said for experimentation purposes only. Experimentation or making duplicates? Check the SU-27 Flanker of Russia, with their Shenyang J-11. They even sent a space craft with the first Chinese woman astronaut. They are also building or strengthening there naval capabilities which include stealth submarines. And this opinion is based on ignorance? I don't think so. There is a possibilities that China will take at all cost the Taiwan and some other neighboring countries that offers rich resources. This is one of the reason US re focus its military armada if I'm not mistaken, 70% of its naval power in Asia. Once again, IGNORANCE? Or you might thinking that China is limited and can't do anything. Check their military spending...the same thing with N. Korea.
What happened to Tibet?

I don't have any insight on the policy making of the United States right now, do you? Why don't you share it?

America's lapdog? Not me.. It's the Philippines, due to its long time ally with America, maybe. How about Singapore, Taiwan Saudi Arabia, Britain, Canada, are they also be considered America's lapdog? How about Tibet?, N. Korea?, Are they a Chinese lap dog?

[messerchtmitt]

@Crinkles11:

China signed the treaty or Law of the Sea on June 7, 1996.

[Crinkles11]

@Crinkles11:

China signed the treaty or Law of the Sea on June 7, 1996.

Diin man ka nangahoy ani bro?

[mondragon]

dapat ba tah malisang ani? ang dako nah butang, mag-gikan ra bah sa gamay..

[messerchtmitt]

@Clinker11:

Upon ratification (7 June 1996)1/:

In accordance with the decision of the Standing Committee of the Eighth National People's Congress of the People's Republic of China at its nineteenth session, the President of the People's Republic of China has hereby ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 10 December 1982 and at the same time made the following statement:

1. In accordance with the provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, the People's Republic of China shall enjoy sovereign rights and jurisdiction over an exclusive economic zone of 200 nautical miles and the continental shelf.

2. The People's Republic of China will effect, through consultations, the delimitation of the boundary of the maritime jurisdiction with the States with coasts opposite or adjacent to China respectively on the basis of international law and in accordance with the principle of equitability.

3. The People's Republic of China reaffirms its sovereignty over all its archipelagos and islands as listed in article 2 of the Law of the People's Republic of China on the territorial sea and the contiguous zone, which was promulgated on 25 February 1992.

4. The People's Republic of China reaffirms that the provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea concerning innocent passage through the territorial sea shall not prejudice the right of a coastal State to request, in accordance with its laws and regulations, a foreign State to obtain advance approval from or give prior notification to the coastal State for the passage of its warships through the territorial sea of the coastal State.

Declaration made after ratification (25 August 2006)

Declaration under article 298:

The Government of the People's Republic of China does not accept any of the procedures provided for in Section 2 of Part XV of the Convention with respect to all the categories of disputes referred to in paragraph 1 (a) (b) and (c) of Article 298 of the Convention.

Declarations or Statements upon UNCLOS ratification Upon ratification