Russia, China, Iran plan to stage in Syria “biggest Mid East maneuver”

[æRLO]

I'm Pro Bashar al-Assad mainly because I don't agree with NATO supporting the government who'd replace his even if they're after Iran. Then there's too many fake news about Syria's human rights violations; CNN and other MSM (mainstream media) were caught and suspected of fabricating footages to appear as if they're under attack by government forces etc..

If they want to protect Israel then that's fine but they don't have to topple those secular regimes and replace it with hardline Islamic republics which they'll have to deal later on.

al-Assad has been known to be a thug since even before he got the presidency from his father. It is indeed true that the insurgents and major news outlets (Arab and Western) in Syria are fabricating videos and accounts of government human rights violation, but to say al-Assad's troops are not guilty of its extra-judicial killings would be false. The Arab Spring utilized social networking and everything with it to its full extent. It amplified everything.

I agree though about the regime change, 1953-1979 Iran comes to mind, pero baliktad lang ang means nga gibuhat sa West. Whereas kato, backlash, karun gi directar nag tabang ang Islamic uprising. Basin change of approach na ang west. I'm still mixed about the Russian-U.S. position in this though, they've made it public nga their on the same page, but they do things that are contrary that.

[machinecult]

Russia & China felt cheated by the West after they agreed to abstain the UN No-Fly-Zone mandate in Libya.

I dont think its about Israel, its more about laying the pipelines across their puppet regimes. Coz Israel will prefer Assad over a Muslim Brotherhood regime.

To an ordinary Israeli maybe but to a Zionist I don't think they would care either way. Israel government wants Assad out so NATO can move to Iran.

[machinecult]

al-Assad has been known to be a thug since even before he got the presidency from his father. It is indeed true that the insurgents and major news outlets (Arab and Western) in Syria are fabricating videos and accounts of government human rights violation, but to say al-Assad's troops are not guilty of its extra-judicial killings would be false. The Arab Spring utilized social networking and everything with it to its full extent. It amplified everything.

I agree though about the regime change, 1953-1979 Iran comes to mind, pero baliktad lang ang means nga gibuhat sa West. Whereas kato, backlash, karun gi directar nag tabang ang Islamic uprising. Basin change of approach na ang west. I'm still mixed about the Russian-U.S. position in this though, they've made it public nga their on the same page, but they do things that are contrary that.

Thug or his father's spoiled-brat, I can't say it would be enough or even righteous to replace him for that and end up with religious thugs in office. The Christian community in Syria supports al-Assad and that says something about how tolerant his administration is. Unfortunately, these voices were not heard when Israeli bombed Lebanon or when NATO helped oust Mubarak. Everything is popularity nowadays (down-with-the-dictator-mentality) and I guarantee you it'll be very costly in the future. Look at us as an example.

I also recommend watching this interview for those interested. Observe the interviewer (from the MSM) wants him to lash out but fails.

[æRLO]

Thug or his father's spoiled-brat, I can't say it would be enough or even righteous to replace him for that and end up with religious thugs in office. The Christian community in Syria supports al-Assad and that says something about how tolerant his administration is. Unfortunately, these voices were not heard when Israeli bombed Lebanon or when NATO helped oust Mubarak. Everything is popularity nowadays (down-with-the-dictator-mentality) and I guarantee you it'll be very costly in the future. Look at us as an example.

Since mid 2000s Syria has been the one of the worst offenders of human rights in the middle east, the Syrian government has legislated and passed laws that strictly monitored and chastised dissidents. Several organizations have already claimed that the Syrian government detained, tortured and extra-judicially executed political prisoners...way before the Syrian uprising began.

I say the only way to fix this is to allow an election, but to be honest, we've done these kinds of things several times, and it never works because there will always be fraud OR a party that will call the election void because of allegations of fraud. There will always be forces that will get their mitts on the issue and muddle the whole thing up further. So the second option is to... let the Syrians be! Let them have their Arab Spring without the west, China, Russia or even Iran out of the picture. Oh it will be bloody, and people in the west will cry just like they cried about Darfur. Point is, every movement since human history has always been based on "popularity", not just as of recent. We can't say as of right now, kung sakto i-tumba si al-Assad, pero we can't say its wrong either. Let the Syrians decide and learn that lesson for themselves, the major nations will only deprive them of that if they interfere. Heck, since you pointed it out, maybe they might be faster learners than us.

I dislike Islamic republics, or any non-secular states, as much as the next guy, but if mao sad nang gusto nila, let their populist beliefs dictate that. The reason the west has gained scorn of such countries is not because they are that but because of western meddling itself.

[monroy]

^ Agree ko tanan except sa last paragraph nimo. Basaha ang Utilitarianism by John Stuart Mill arun kasabot ka ngano dili pirme sakto ang majority wins (populism). Importante pod nga naay protection ang minority rights otherwise dili na tinood nga democracy.

I think exaggerated ra pod kaayo ang claim nga islamist automatic na pasabot pareha sa Iran. Kung basahon nimo ang gipangsulti sa bag-o nga presidente sa Egypt, murag moderate ra man siya. Ni promise man siya nga respetohon ang rights sa Christian sa Egypt. Dili tanan muslim extremist.. Dili ra man siguro muslim ang naay tendency nga mamugos sa gobyerno, diri sa atoa familiar man ta sa panghilabot sa simbahan sa gobyerno.

[machinecult]

If you have the time please watch the video its 46 minutes long but I guarantee you it has answers to the things were pointing out directly from the man himself.

Since mid 2000s Syria has been the one of the worst offenders of human rights in the middle east, the Syrian government has legislated and passed laws that strictly monitored and chastised dissidents. Several organizations have already claimed that the Syrian government detained, tortured and extra-judicially executed political prisoners...way before the Syrian uprising began.

I say the only way to fix this is to allow an election, but to be honest, we've done these kinds of things several times, and it never works because there will always be fraud OR a party that will call the election void because of allegations of fraud. There will always be forces that will get their mitts on the issue and muddle the whole thing up further. So the second option is to... let the Syrians be! Let them have their Arab Spring without the west, China, Russia or even Iran out of the picture. Oh it will be bloody, and people in the west will cry just like they cried about Darfur. Point is, every movement since human history has always been based on "popularity", not just as of recent. We can't say as of right now, kung sakto i-tumba si al-Assad, pero we can't say its wrong either. Let the Syrians decide and learn that lesson for themselves, the major nations will only deprive them of that if they interfere. Heck, since you pointed it out, maybe they might be faster learners than us.

I dislike Islamic republics, or any non-secular states, as much as the next guy, but if mao sad nang gusto nila, let their populist beliefs dictate that. The reason the west has gained scorn of such countries is not because they are that but because of western meddling itself.

[flanker]

To an ordinary Israeli maybe but to a Zionist I don't think they would care either way. Israel government wants Assad out so NATO can move to Iran.

All they want from Assad is to withdraw its support on Iran. Israel realized that if Assad falls and the militants will take over, Israel's security will be a mess. Syria has the biggest chemical weapon stockpile in the region.

They rather have Assad which provides stability in the region than a radical militant.

Israel's interest differs from the US & GCC about Syria.

[machinecult]

All they want from Assad is to withdraw its support on Iran. Israel realized that if Assad falls and the militants will take over, Israel's security will be a mess. Syria has the biggest chemical weapon stockpile in the region.

They rather have Assad which provides stability in the region than a radical militant.

Israel's interest differs from the US & GCC about Syria.

Ahh that sounds good but only time will tell if this is the road they're going. Hezbollah is (being) linked with Syria and Assad.

[silent-kill]

we'll see how this pans out over the next months. all this arab springs makes me wonder if the CIA have sent in their economic saboteurs.

[æRLO]

If you have the time please watch the video its 46 minutes long but I guarantee you it has answers to the things were pointing out directly from the man himself.

I've seen the video when it aired, actually.

We can't outright say al-Assad called for the brutal crackdown and extra-judicial killings, but the deterioration of the situation there is part of command responsibility. The fact is, his government DID impose laws that further silenced and intimidated opposition to his administration. You have to consider the fact that al-Assad's father had imposed an emergency law that granted military power to detain dissidents, which ended just last year--more than a decade after his assumption of office. I didn't buy too much in this interview as what leader would openly admit the allegations in his country. Turkey even denounced Syria's government for its decisions.