Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[genesis11]

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huh? so wala ka kasabot sa tibuok mensahe sa Bibliya, nganu cge man kag Qoute if kuyang diay na imung kahibalo?

So namili raka ug Bersikolo imung gipang post ngari? nya if naay mangayu nimug Supporting verse sa imung gipang Post? unsa imung tubag? mu ingun ka nga IMuha sad na? oiiiiiii...

Pangutan-on pud tika.. Kinsa man diay imong Gino-o? Did you repent and accept in Christ alone? Kung yes. Then there's no more point of having this conversation if sure gyd ka nga gi save naka Niya.. We are not here to heal the healthy. Saon.. My brothers in Christ are also here to help strengthen my faith because I am weak. But I have a Savior Christ. <- doesn't make me any wiser or stronger. saon.

[nitwit]

You can accuse me of anything.. But I have my Savior, I repent and Believe in Him alone.

By the way, kinsa man diay tawhana nga wala gyd sala bisag usa.. ?

istoryahee oi. ipalaban nang god kay escapegoat baya to nimo. adto na eblame ni god ngano nakasala ka . im not going to a rollercoaster ride with all your crap sir, drop the google and tell me what u know then maybe ill start taking you seriously . magtarong ta oi

[Kenshiro]

no offense but those people who rely on commiting sins and expecting someone to take responsibility for their wrong doings, theyre only looking for an escape goat because they cant help themselves that no matter how much faith they have, they only believe just for the sake people will sort of give them value or should i say give them respect but im not a religion fanatic nor im trying to convert anyone to be an atheist but theres only one thing i can definately guarantee u, if i commit a mistake, i take full responsibility of my action/s and i dont need anyone to save me from my mistake instead i learn from it and i move on. thats how people should.im not a hypocrite to start with, i do things rather than keep talking

In your opinion Christians never gets punished by God?

Take for example what has David done to Uriah.

2 Samuel chapter 12 (NLT)
1 The LORD sent Nathan the prophet to tell David ...

7 "... The LORD, the God of Israel, says, 'I anointed you king of Israel and saved you from the power of Saul. 8 I gave you his house and his wives and the kingdoms of Israel and Judah. And if that had not been enough, I would have given you much, much more. 9 Why, then, have you despised the word of the LORD and done this horrible deed? For you have murdered Uriah and stolen his wife. 10 From this time on, the sword will be a constant threat to your family, because you have despised me by taking Uriah's wife to be your own.

11 "'Because of what you have done, I, the LORD, will cause your own household to rebel against you. I will give your wives to another man, and he will go to bed with them in public view. 12 You did it secretly, but I will do this to you openly in the sight of all Israel.'"

13 Then David confessed to Nathan, "I have sinned against the LORD."

Sinning is receiving the consequences of it but with genuine repentance you can be forgiven but you will need to learn the hard lesson from it.

[nitwit]

In your opinion Christians never gets punished by God?

Take for example what has David done to Uriah.

2 Samuel chapter 12 (NLT)
1 The LORD sent Nathan the prophet to tell David ...

7 "... The LORD, the God of Israel, says, 'I anointed you king of Israel and saved you from the power of Saul. 8 I gave you his house and his wives and the kingdoms of Israel and Judah. And if that had not been enough, I would have given you much, much more. 9 Why, then, have you despised the word of the LORD and done this horrible deed? For you have murdered Uriah and stolen his wife. 10 From this time on, the sword will be a constant threat to your family, because you have despised me by taking Uriah's wife to be your own.

11 "'Because of what you have done, I, the LORD, will cause your own household to rebel against you. I will give your wives to another man, and he will go to bed with them in public view. 12 You did it secretly, but I will do this to you openly in the sight of all Israel.'"

13 Then David confessed to Nathan, "I have sinned against the LORD."

Sinning is receiving the consequences of it.

another one? . okay, ill tell you my thoughts about your post, how sure are you to start with that its god that sent your household to rebel against you? did he call u in a middle of the night and say hey! because you didnt obey me, i sent your wife to sleep with another man! or did he come knocking on your door telling you all these and that his the one responsible for all the badlucks or misfortunes of some people just cause they dont have faith or have lost their faith to him?

[SioDenz]

Pangutan-on pud tika.. Kinsa man diay imong Gino-o? Did you repent and accept in Christ alone? Kung yes. Then there's no more point of having this conversation if sure gyd ka nga gi save naka Niya.. We are not here to heal the healthy. Saon.. My brothers in Christ are also here to help strengthen my faith because I am weak. But I have a Savior Christ. <- doesn't make me any wiser or stronger. saon.

hahaha, makalingaw sad ka bro dah. wa jud nimu tubaga akong pangutana, ni likoy nuon kag samot. Pero cge nlan if mao na imung exit strategy.

[Kenshiro]

another one? . okay, ill tell you my thoughts about your post, how sure are you to start with that its god that sent your household to rebel against you? did he call u in a middle of the night and say hey! because you didnt obey me, i sent your wife to sleep with another man! or did he come knocking on your door telling you all these and that his the one responsible for all the badlucks or misfortunes of some people just cause they dont have faith or have lost their faith to him?

This is probably the most senseless post I have ever red.

[nitwit]

This is probably the most senseless post I have ever red.
Likoy strategy ni?

"'Because of what you have done, I, the LORD, will cause your own household to rebel against you. I will give your wives to another man, and he will go to bed with them in public view. 12 You did it secretly, but I will do this to you openly in the sight of all Israel.'"- isnt this what you've meant? sorry but i have no idea whose those people youve mentioned and im not good at remembering names especially when theyre not important.

if u dont mind me asking how can u explain to me this: many people believe that if you have faith then you'll be blessed with good fortunes, an atheist will take this as either fluke or luck and if you happen to have badluck then again you blame your god for it? geez, can you religion fanatics make up your mind?which is which?!

[Kenshiro]

"'Because of what you have done, I, the LORD, will cause your own household to rebel against you. I will give your wives to another man, and he will go to bed with them in public view. 12 You did it secretly, but I will do this to you openly in the sight of all Israel.'"- isnt this what you've meant? sorry but i have no idea whose those people youve mentioned and im not good at remembering names especially when theyre not important.

if u dont mind me asking how can u explain to me this: many people believe that if you have faith then you'll be blessed with good fortunes, an atheist will take this as either fluke or luck and if you happen to have badluck then again you blame your god for it? geez, can you religion fanatic make up your mind?which is which?!

- isnt this what you've meant? sorry but i have no idea whose those people youve mentioned and im not good at remembering names especially when theyre not important.

Its not who is important here its the people that are significant to the topic. If you only knew so few why flaunt your ignorance with the topic?

if u dont mind me asking how can u explain to me this: many people believe that if you have faith then you'll be blessed with good fortunes, an atheist will take this as either fluke or luck and if you happen to have badluck then again you blame your god for it? geez, can you religion fanatic make up your mind?which is which?!

Again you are wrong with your assumption a big red X:
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
John 16:33

Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. ” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
2 Corinthians 12:8-10

Look at the lifestyle of Jesus, and his followers, the apostles.
Look at the life of the reformers' mock trials and burned at the stake to bring to us the Bible for the common people.

[nitwit]

Its not who is important here its the people that are significant to the topic. If you only knew so few why flaunt your ignorance with the topic?



Again you are wrong with your assumption a big red x:
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
John 16:33

Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. ” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
2 Corinthians 12:8-10
Look at the lifestyle of Jesus, and his followers, the apostles.
Look at the life of the reformers burned at the stake to bring to us the Bible for the common people.

that will still not change the fact of how many priests that rape or use young boys for pleasure and they get away with it. corrupt catholic officials, how those people talk highly of god in public but when they come home, theyre exactly the opposite.

you can preach all day long but nothing will ever happen if you only have faith and youll just sit on your as$ doing nothing. those billionaires didnt make their money by calling out for god''s help instead they work day and night but your more than welcome to prove me wrong. stick with your faith and see how u go

NOTE: its funny how u can make that david whoever that is to set as an example about how your god punishes those people who dont obey him,let me ask you... where did all those rapist priets go when they were caught red handed? ive heard that they were just sent somewhere else to preach. if this is true, how the on earth god let them get away with this? if god is really watching and he punishes those who dont obey him? they're still out there having a good meal and assaulting young boys at night and they're still porkchops!

[noy]

guys, just wanna share this parable of Jesus in Matthew 20:1-16
this might give us an idea on how salvation works...

The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
“For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.
“About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.
“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’
“‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.
“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’
“When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’
“The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’
“But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
“So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”
Matthew 20:1-6

some actually asked if what happens if a person repents at the brink of his death and accepts God as His Lord and savior even if that person led an awful life would that person be saved?
my answer is yes, provided that the repentance is genuine and the person firmly believes and asked for forgiveness.but i think what we should ponder on is that we do not really know the time of our death and even so if we feel that we are dying, are we repenting and accepting Christ just because we are dying?or we repent and accept Him 'cause of faith...
someone also shared that once saved,always saved?im sorry but i wouldn't agree to this entirely..
i think we should take care of the salvation that Christ has given to us..
say i'm a very devout Christian but suddenly stopped believing due to some reasons...
frustration maybe or perhaps an unanswered prayer or things bad things that happened despite of being a Christian...it's like being married to someone,has been faithful for so many years then committed adultery..
so still it would end up to separation...

i think Jesus' parable clearly describes salvation...
where people came to work and started from different times but ends at exactly the same time..
and being promised for the same amount of wage.
some of the workers or even real people might think it is unfair, why the workers who worked late should get the same wage with the workers who started early...i think that just explains that it doesnt really matter when you repent and accept Christ as long as you do it out of faith..and like i said earlier, we have to take care of that faith..so recieve the reward/wage of salvation...once you have the faith, work hard in guarding/keeping the faith until the time of your death..so that you will get the reward of salvation..'cause the workers could just decided to stop working and left...hence no reward will be given...some people think it's unfair..that's where the first shall be the last, and the last shall be the first comes in..where people who came to know Christ earlier should start working for the kingdom for God's glory and for the salvation of those who doesn't know Christ yet.'cause as a Christian we have been commissioned by Christ Jesus, to make disciples of all nation baptizing in His name..which is telling the story of Jesus that salvation may come to their home.,and guys i'm not saying that our brothers and sisters of other faith will not be saved...that is something that i just cannot answer..but as a Christian i will do my duties in telling the story of Jesus..to Love God above all, and to love our neighbors as i love myself that includes respecting their faith..