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    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?


    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    So what if a Person Does Not have any capacity to do good works? like paralysis? or some accepted Jesus or Islam ang then after accepting Died. Whats the status of that man? he doesnt have a chance to do Good works after he believes?

    I ask this questions just to know the interpretation of different Faith.
    Sorry late reply (working and stuff)

    This is what I understand so far from learning about Islam so this is gonna be brief..
    Sickness is a sign of mercy from God. Taking ur example if a man was unable to worship Him by doing good works due to paralysis but his intent in his heart was sincere, he is granted Jannah (paradise) for God is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

    If a man was to sincerely testify (even from the heart) that he believes in God and His Messenger, the Prophet Muhammad (saw), then dies, his sins will be wiped away.

    The words "La Ilaha Illa Allah" (There is no god, but God) can still be said when someone is unable to move his lips...
    Last edited by LaBelleza; 06-17-2012 at 05:38 PM.

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    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

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    we need to do something to wOrk our faitH- kai magscge lag nya ka ug padaku sa huna2 ug wa ka sa buhat

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    The bible never mentioned that you have to do things "right" or do what is "right" so that you will be saved. If that is the way to salvation, for sure no one will qualify. No one.

    When I was still young, I used to hear stories that God recorded all my sins as well as all of my "right" doings. Then God will measure those and judge me accordingly. Thank God it's just a story made by my homie.

    It's been paid for. More than 2000 years ago Jesus paid it all, he overpaid our sins. The blood of Jesus was our offering to God.

    The road to salvation is easy, simply by accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Sound's easy? I guess so.
    John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshiro View Post
    Unsaon pagdaog nga balik balik raman ang pangutana.

    I'm beginning to think that they are using dumb questions disguised as innocent questions over and over again just to wear you out.
    So it may look like they have won because gi kapoy na ug answer sa mga dumb questions like these.

    In reality if they would have seeked truth honestly they would have found it.
    ang reality bai, OSAs ug sola fide are just a human invention nga lisod i -depensa..para lang malahi sa katoliko nga nag una nag create inyo founder ug iyaha with kunuhay supportado sa mga biblical accounts but ang reality gusto lang siya naay iyahang franchise..

    You know what I also tried defending protestants doctrines in various online forums but lisod ayo i- justify..ang reality nga ako nga na diskubrihan nga mas comprehensibo ug accurate ang catholic doctrine..so far wala pa gani official teaching ang protestant churches...

    ang reality bai, nag unite ang mga protestants sa pag atake sa katoliko pero kung wala ang katoliko sa discussion or scenario kamo sad mag tinirahay...kay dili mo unite sa pagtoo..unsaon man ninyo pag claim anang faith alone, sola scriptura nga mismo kamo lahi lahi ug pag sabot sa bible..ang nakalahi lang kay ang katoliko dili mo atake..obserbahe ra gud kinsay gabuhat sa mga threads attacking islam and catholics...

    lami kaayo mo sungogon hahahahhaa...
    Last edited by ketllac; 06-17-2012 at 07:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genesis11 View Post
    Hitler can not do that, balik2x na ta ana.. He was designed to be a follower of Satan.
    really?..unsa imo basis nga siya designed to be a follower of satan before siya nahimong ngilngig ug dautang tawo..take note before ha...tagai kog biblical, psychological/historical bases etc..

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    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaBelleza View Post
    Sorry late reply (working and stuff)

    This is what I understand so far from learning about Islam so this is gonna be brief..
    Sickness is a sign of mercy from God. Taking ur example if a man was unable to worship Him by doing good works due to paralysis but his intent in his heart was sincere, he is granted Jannah (paradise) for God is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

    If a man was to sincerely testify (even from the heart) that he believes in God and His Messenger, the Prophet Muhammad (saw), then dies, his sins will be wiped away.

    The words "La Ilaha Illa Allah" (There is no god, but God) can still be said when someone is unable to move his lips...
    thanks for the reply. So can we assume that he was saved by Faith alone?

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    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    take it this way, go to a church- pray and donate your last dollar hoping that god will hear you and will shower you with blessings this is as good as betting to win the lottery except you dont have a ticket.

    one can sit there all day praying and having a strong faith in god but hey! if you dont get your lazy as$ and stop being a bludger then your not going anywhere, you'll starve and eventually die!

    if you only have faith alone and no actions, i'd say for a starter, get your lazy as$ because praying wont get you anywhere. there is no such thing as money falling off from the sky, or people dropping by giving you a hundred dollar bills everyday in order for you to survive. its not faith its called luck or fluke!

    why is it people always have an excuse for being soo lazy?instead of being out there like everyone else and make their way to success?
    Last edited by nitwit; 06-18-2012 at 12:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitwit View Post
    take it this way, go to a church- pray and donate your last dollar hoping that god will hear you and will shower you with blessings this is as good as betting to win the lottery except you dont have a ticket.
    You cannot Buy Gods Blessings, its Not for sale. He dont need our Money also.

    Quote Originally Posted by nitwit View Post
    one can sit there all day praying and having a strong faith in god but hey! if you dont get your lazy as$ and stop being a bludger then your not going anywhere, you'll starve and eventually die!

    if you only have faith alone and no actions, i'd say for a starter, get your lazy as$ because praying wont get you anywhere. there is no such thing as money falling off from the sky, or people dropping by giving you a hundred dollar bills everyday in order for you to survive. its not faith its called luck or fluke!

    why is it people always have an excuse for being soo lazy?instead of being out there like everyone else and make their way to success?
    The topic is Not about Not doing something even if you are able, the topic is all about a situation where in you dont have an Opportunity or Capacity to do good works. Moa nay gihisgutan, wala may naghisgot diri nga maayu nang tapulan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ketllac View Post
    ang reality bai, OSAs ug sola fide are just a human invention nga lisod i -depensa..para lang malahi sa katoliko nga nag una nag create inyo founder ug iyaha with kunuhay supportado sa mga biblical accounts but ang reality gusto lang siya naay iyahang franchise..

    You know what I also tried defending protestants doctrines in various online forums but lisod ayo i- justify..ang reality nga ako nga na diskubrihan nga mas comprehensibo ug accurate ang catholic doctrine..so far wala pa gani official teaching ang protestant churches...

    ang reality bai, nag unite ang mga protestants sa pag atake sa katoliko pero kung wala ang katoliko sa discussion or scenario kamo sad mag tinirahay...kay dili mo unite sa pagtoo..unsaon man ninyo pag claim anang faith alone, sola scriptura nga mismo kamo lahi lahi ug pag sabot sa bible..ang nakalahi lang kay ang katoliko dili mo atake..obserbahe ra gud kinsay gabuhat sa mga threads attacking islam and catholics...

    lami kaayo mo sungogon hahahahhaa...
    when you say protestant which group specifically?, coz afaik on our protestant church usahay mo misa ang pari if i invite sa pastor or reverend and they are not there to debate but to share the good news...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ketllac View Post
    ang reality bai, OSAs ug sola fide are just a human invention nga lisod i -depensa..para lang malahi sa katoliko nga nag una nag create inyo founder ug iyaha with kunuhay supportado sa mga biblical accounts but ang reality gusto lang siya naay iyahang franchise..

    You know what I also tried defending protestants doctrines in various online forums but lisod ayo i- justify..ang reality nga ako nga na diskubrihan nga mas comprehensibo ug accurate ang catholic doctrine..so far wala pa gani official teaching ang protestant churches...

    ang reality bai, nag unite ang mga protestants sa pag atake sa katoliko pero kung wala ang katoliko sa discussion or scenario kamo sad mag tinirahay...kay dili mo unite sa pagtoo..unsaon man ninyo pag claim anang faith alone, sola scriptura nga mismo kamo lahi lahi ug pag sabot sa bible..ang nakalahi lang kay ang katoliko dili mo atake..obserbahe ra gud kinsay gabuhat sa mga threads attacking islam and catholics...

    lami kaayo mo sungogon hahahahhaa...
    Why defend the protestants when you have no knowledge of it? Its like defending someone ignorantly.

    You should have found the truth by now even Peter and John as an example of Unlearned men were able to learn the Gospel:
    Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
    Acts 4:13

    Since you are just joking or trolling(sungogon hahahaha..). Don't worry we are used to this. So keep on trolling. And why would someone mind someone if heshe is just a troll.

    For us truth comes first before unity.
    Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
    Mathew 7:13

    This is in direct contradiction to ecumenism.

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