The Roman Catholic Church~ Questions

[ranma1/2]

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hmmmmmmm so what happens now to your justification by faith?..

can you give me the readings sa RC bro asa na nako mabasa sa teachings nila nga mag.una ang mga dato nga makasasala?.. kay i would love to tackle on this if makabasa ko ani sa teachings sa RC catechism..



actually bro it was not mistaken idea, referring to the bible Matt. 12:32 - 32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him neither in this world, nor in the world to come.

Note: neither in this world(obviously says while we are alive) and in the world to come(The phrase “in the world” (in Greek, en to mellonti; in Latin, neque in futuro) refers to the afterlife (check example, Mk 10:30; Lk 18:30; 20:34-35; Eph. 2:1) ) it explicitly says "life everlasting"..

"Purgatory allows for those meritorious efforts to atone for sin after death" Bro can you expound this more "meritorious efforts" of whom?..



penance in RC teaching means it's the repentance of sins in layman's term. relate purgatory above this post.




the dead's merit there means is not being earned but ware earned already mao toy iaccount.

1 Cor. 3:13 Every man's work shall be manifest. For the day of the Lord shall declare it(means wala pay judgement day), because it shall be revealed in fire. And the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he has built thereupon, he shall receive a reward(ang tao nagbuhat ug maau aw luwas na daan). 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire(if ang tao nagbuhat ug maau ug daotan ang iya works will burn up but still be saved). 16 Know you not that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 But if any man violate the temple of God, him shall God destroy(if ang tao magbuhat rag daotan aw maimpyerno asa ka angang God will destroy). For the temple of God is holy, which you are.



seriously it was all in the bible bro..

you shall not kill.
naglibog baya ko anang bible ai. did you know pinili nalang nang content sa bible? there were 9 books that were removed from the original because of inconsistency sa context. may untag ang ginoo ang nagremove. tao rasad baya

[dartzed]

you shall not kill.
naglibog baya ko anang bible ai. did you know pinili nalang nang content sa bible? there were 9 books that were removed from the original because of inconsistency sa context. may untag ang ginoo ang nagremove. tao rasad baya

hahaha tao man gani nag compile sa bible.. kana jud bai d nako mutuo if ang ginuo ang nagremove..

[dartzed]

@Siodenz

brod i don't think you are basing your claim sa catechism sa roman catholic about deli misahan ang patay(nagsuicide). you can't even post a legit written teachings sa RC catechism i believe you haven't read it sad gani.. but ill give you the teaching sa RC sa ila catechism..

Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church

Part 3 - life in christ
Chapter 2 - "you shall love your neighbor as you love yourself"
Article 5 - the 5th commandment "thou shall not kill"
Number 2283 states that "We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives."

if d japon ka mutuo ana then provide yourself a copy of "the catechism of the roman catholic church" nya pangitaa na did2.. i hope natubag tikag tarong sa imo misinformation nga claim..

God Bless!

[Grammaton]

Because Catholicism includes a rich tradition of formal prayer, many accuse Catholics of praying "in vain repetitions" in spite of the admonitions against them in Matthew 6:7. In doing so, they intimate that repeated prayers, because of repetition itself, are "vain" in the sense of being worthless or ineffectual. First, let it be understood from the get-go:
That Catholics pray in their own words in addition to formal prayers.


That Catholics are taught in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (268 that "the memorization of basic prayers offers an essential support to the life of prayer, but it is important to help learners savor their meaning." In other words, formal prayer isn't (or at least shouldn't be) mindless lip-moving but instead a formal expression of clearly understood and heartfelt sentiments.

Now, the people who make these accusations 1 against Catholics don't understand, apparently:
That the verse in question reads, in the King James version, "But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." The operative Greek word here for "vain repetitions" is battalogeo, or babbling. That is, the heathens had a magical perception of prayer and thought the more they babbled to their gods, the more that that god would respond: I Kings 18:26: "And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered."


That, two verses after the warning in Matthew against "vain repetitions," Jesus gave us the "Our Father" prayer which most Protestant Christians pray with no qualms about praying "in vain." The same command in Luke 11:2 reads: "And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father..." -- "when you pray, say..."


That Christ Himself prayed in repetitions. Matthew 26:44: "And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words". Mark 14:39 reads: "And again he went away, and prayed, and spake the same words."


That the angels pray repetitiously. Revelation 4:8: "...and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come."


That God commanded Moses to tell the Israelites: "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up." (Deuteronomy 6:4-7)


That the Psalms are nothing but a collection of prayers and litanies which were prayed formally in the pre-Christian synagogues and early Christian churches, are still prayed in synagogues and Catholic churches today -- and were even prayed by Christ from the Cross.


That the liturgy of the synagogue was (and is) filled with repetition and formalized prayer. Christ said "use not vain repetitions, as the heathens do". Were the Jews heathens? They prayed (and still pray) the sh'ma twice a day and, in their liturgy, the Shemoneh Esrei, the Kaddish, the morning blessings, the Aleinu, etc. Check out a Jewish siddur (missal) sometime; does it look more typically Protestant or Catholic?


That hymns are prayers. Is it "vain" to sing "Amazing Grace" or "The Old Rugged Cross" more than once?

In addition, the earliest Christians (being Catholics) understood Christ's words as do modern Catholics. The 1st century Didache (The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles) says:

Do not pray like the hypocrites, but rather as the Lord commanded in His Gospel, like this:

Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread, and forgive us our debt as we also forgive our debtors. And bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one; for Thine is the power and the glory for ever..

Pray this three times each day.

So, is it "repetitions" that are bad or was Our Lord speaking of "vain repetitions," vainglory, and frivolousness? Was Our Lord wrong for praying the same prayer more than once, using the same words, in the Garden of Gethsemani? Are the angels in Heaven wrong for singing the Sanctus ("Holy, Holy, Holy") all day and night, without ceasing? Was God making a big mistake when He told Israel to pray the sh'ma all throughout the day? Are reading the Psalms a waste of time? Have Israelite, early Christian (Catholic), and modern Jewish, Catholic and Orthodox liturgists been praying "vainly" for all these millennia, only to be set straight in the past hundred or so years by sola scriptura Protestants? Is it wrong to sing hymns that have been sung, verbatim, before?

simple raman. there's no problem with "our father" even if youre doing it many times a day as long as we mean from our hearts what we uttered. Also, our father is just an example (like a template) on how we ought to pray. mawala naman gud sa purpose if too much repetition na, seems a kind of babbling na nuon.

[Grammaton]

hmmmmmmm so what happens now to your justification by faith?..

if we are justified the moment we became a true believer then we obtain the promise of eternal life. Its not that kung dili mapamisahan dili malangit. All of us would claim nga tarung ta nga pagkatawo in a certain way or the other, but mawala ang importance sa cross of Jesus Christ if duna man diay purgatory nga mopurge totally before going to heaven. And what's the basis kung pila ka pamisa ang need sa usa ka tawo to be totally cleansed, Hitler as an example?

can you give me the readings sa RC bro asa na nako mabasa sa teachings nila nga mag.una ang mga dato nga makasasala?.. kay i would love to tackle on this if makabasa ko ani sa teachings sa RC catechism..

you dont get the point here. mas sweto manka about sa catholic teaching. My point is kung duna may purging pa nga mahitabo diay after ta mamatay, swerte ang mga kwartahan nga grabe ug sala kaysa pobre tawn nga walay ika-pamisa permi.

actually bro it was not mistaken idea, referring to the bible Matt. 12:32 - 32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him neither in this world, nor in the world to come.

Note: neither in this world(obviously says while we are alive) and in the world to come(The phrase “in the world” (in Greek, en to mellonti; in Latin, neque in futuro) refers to the afterlife (check example, Mk 10:30; Lk 18:30; 20:34-35; Eph. 2:1) ) it explicitly says "life everlasting"..

do you have any idea about the coming millennial reign of the Lord Jesus Christ? how about the new Jerusalem? there's no more cleansing there.

the dead's merit there means is not being earned but ware earned already mao toy iaccount.

1 Cor. 3:13 Every man's work shall be manifest. For the day of the Lord shall declare it(means wala pay judgement day), because it shall be revealed in fire. And the fire shall try every man's work, of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide, which he has built thereupon, he shall receive a reward(ang tao nagbuhat ug maau aw luwas na daan). 15 If any man's work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire(if ang tao nagbuhat ug maau ug daotan ang iya works will burn up but still be saved). 16 Know you not that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 But if any man violate the temple of God, him shall God destroy(if ang tao magbuhat rag daotan aw maimpyerno asa ka angang God will destroy). For the temple of God is holy, which you are.

Scripture makes it plain that God has a system of rewards in place for His children in Christ when we reach our heavenly home. "fire" here maybe is a metaphor.

"If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire" (I Cor. 3:14-15).

"And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible" (I Cor. 9:25).

seriously it was all in the bible bro..

That's right. so we should recommend all christians to have their own bibles. if they can't afford maybe we can ask from our leaders/priests.

[machinecult]

you shall not kill.
naglibog baya ko anang bible ai. did you know pinili nalang nang content sa bible? there were 9 books that were removed from the original because of inconsistency sa context. may untag ang ginoo ang nagremove. tao rasad baya

Wala man na nila ge tang2x ditso lang as some say si Emperor Constantine ang nag-buot2x. Extensive man kaayo na nga proseso. Not only to remove uninspired scriptures but also against the more dangerous cultic and heretical doctrines like Gnosticism and Arianism. Duna sila rules kaniadto sa pag-identify sa mga Canon text (Canon Law) pareha sa gi buhat didto sa Nicea. (see. Ecumenical Council of Nicaea)

Even today when they decide to translate the Bible in a more easy to understand or in different language they still use ecumenical process although personally there's no need to translate it any further. Cross reference is the way to go.

[alfalfa]

simple raman. there's no problem with "our father" even if youre doing it many times a day as long as we mean from our hearts what we uttered. Also, our father is just an example (like a template) on how we ought to pray. mawala naman gud sa purpose if too much repetition na, seems a kind of babbling na nuon.

hehehe. expected response.

[dartzed]

if we are justified the moment we became a true believer then we obtain the promise of eternal life. Its not that kung dili mapamisahan dili malangit. All of us would claim nga tarung ta nga pagkatawo in a certain way or the other, but mawala ang importance sa cross of Jesus Christ if duna man diay purgatory nga mopurge totally before going to heaven. And what's the basis kung pila ka pamisa ang need sa usa ka tawo to be totally cleansed, Hitler as an example?

RC prays para sa mga maluwas pa bai but since wala cla kabaw kinsa ang maluwas ug kinsay deli kay ang ginuo ray nkabaw ana mao na ipray na tnan cla weather maluwas pana or deli. unsa d i gamit sa second coming sa ginuo bro if you think wala nay lain justification?.. murag lain man ang gisulti sa bible sa RC unsa d i gisulti sa inyo bible?.. are you judging Hitler will go to hell is that what you are implying?.. hmmmmm you sounds like......you're God now..

you dont get the point here. mas sweto manka about sa catholic teaching. My point is kung duna may purging pa nga mahitabo diay after ta mamatay, swerte ang mga kwartahan nga grabe ug sala kaysa pobre tawn nga walay ika-pamisa permi.

d man ko sweto bro but if unsa ako nabasahan sa bible mao raman na ako gireply nimo.. i think wala ka kagets sa ako punto refer to (I Cor. 3:14-15) ang works sa tao samtang buhi pa cya ang iaccount sa mga sala niya nga wala nacompisal or nahinulsolan(ex. ig ikaw buotan ka but nakasala ka nya namatay ka ug kalit but you failed manghinulsol do you think dretso kas langit or impyerno?).. you think makatabang ang prayer sa RC if ang nakasala mismo ang deli murepent? in your case kana c Hitler or kinsa pana bina ka bad **s nga super evil RC don't judge them by what they do RC even pray for them nga magbag.o..lols Judgement in salvation is not what RC put into hands it's of God's..

do you have any idea about the coming millennial reign of the Lord Jesus Christ? how about the new Jerusalem? there's no more cleansing there.

can you tell me about it bro kay bcn lain ako nasabtan ani nga butanga..

Scripture makes it plain that God has a system of rewards in place for His children in Christ when we reach our heavenly home. "fire" here maybe is a metaphor.

"If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire" (I Cor. 3:14-15).

bro basaha balik ako explanation bro i was not referring to "fire". i was tackling sa mga tao buotan nga walay sala, mga tao nga buotan pero naay sala, ug tao nga daotan.. now ana ka naay way or system ang ginuo paghukom ani nila once muabot nata sa heavenly home?.. are you telling me nga ang mga nakasala makasulod na nua sa langit ug ngad2 cla ijustify sa ginuo, abi nako walay hugaw sa sala ang makasulod sa langit?..

"And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible" (I Cor. 9:25).

That's right. so we should recommend all christians to have their own bibles. if they can't afford maybe we can ask from our leaders/priests.

human nana ninyo gibuhat bro inyo na gani gitranslate mao btaw nalahi na inyo bibliya sa RC kay inyo giusab..hehehe all things ako gireply nimo bro mabasa jud na sa inyo bible but im not sure sa inyo translation if parehas ba sa RC.. mao btaw nagkagubot ang christian community tungod anang magbuot2 ug claim ug translate sad sa bible..

[Grammaton]

RC prays para sa mga maluwas pa bai but since wala cla kabaw kinsa ang maluwas ug kinsay deli kay ang ginuo ray nkabaw ana mao na ipray na tnan cla weather maluwas pana or deli. unsa d i gamit sa second coming sa ginuo bro if you think wala nay lain justification?.. murag lain man ang gisulti sa bible sa RC unsa d i gisulti sa inyo bible?.. are you judging Hitler will go to hell is that what you are implying?.. hmmmmm you sounds like......you're God now..

heehhe. mao bitaw akong pangutana kung pila nga pamisa ang gikinahanglan ni hitler...........imong pasabot napa diay purohan si Hitler nga malangit kung pamisahan to siya? bisan kinsa tingali nga tarung ug hunahuna dili gyud makaingon nga langit to sya padung. kung nagduha2 ka nga katong nabuhat nya is against God, murag napay daghan passage sa bible nga wala nimo mabasa.

unsay point ana? kung napa may purohan nga maluwas diay ang dautan nga tawo bisan namatay na, then walay pulos ang death sa ginoo sa krus. pwede raman diay na nga paagi. Murag libog gamay ang paagi sa kaluwasan kung mao na. Unsa man gyud ang insakto, Jesus Christ or ang prayer for the dead?

d man ko sweto bro but if unsa ako nabasahan sa bible mao raman na ako gireply nimo.. i think wala ka kagets sa ako punto refer to (I Cor. 3:14-15) ang works sa tao samtang buhi pa cya ang iaccount sa mga sala niya nga wala nacompisal or nahinulsolan(ex. ig ikaw buotan ka but nakasala ka nya namatay ka ug kalit but you failed manghinulsol do you think dretso kas langit or impyerno?).. you think makatabang ang prayer sa RC if ang nakasala mismo ang deli murepent? in your case kana c Hitler or kinsa pana bina ka bad **s nga super evil RC don't judge them by what they do RC even pray for them nga magbag.o..lols Judgement in salvation is not what RC put into hands it's of God's..

ok ra bro. peace!

bro basaha balik ako explanation bro i was not referring to "fire". i was tackling sa mga tao buotan nga walay sala, mga tao nga buotan pero naay sala, ug tao nga daotan.. now ana ka naay way or system ang ginuo paghukom ani nila once muabot nata sa heavenly home?.. are you telling me nga ang mga nakasala makasulod na nua sa langit ug ngad2 cla ijustify sa ginuo, abi nako walay hugaw sa sala ang makasulod sa langit?..

He is referring to those mga saved bro. The testing of deeds through fire is for the rewards. walay labot ang unbelievers ana nga verse.

human nana ninyo gibuhat bro inyo na gani gitranslate mao btaw nalahi na inyo bibliya sa RC kay inyo giusab..hehehe all things ako gireply nimo bro mabasa jud na sa inyo bible but im not sure sa inyo translation if parehas ba sa RC.. mao btaw nagkagubot ang christian community tungod anang magbuot2 ug claim ug translate sad sa bible..

hehe. among gi-translate or ang mga tinuod nga christians nga nagsunod jud sa mga teachings diha sa bibliya?
walay problema bisan ang inyong bibliya ang atong gamiton, still ang message diha para gihapon sa atong kaluwasan.

It's not the reason nga nagkugubot ang christians karon, ayaw iblame sa bibliya kay mostly bisan sa mga panimalay karon, madatu or professional dili man gani magkasabot, duna man gani mga igsuon nga nag dumtanay!

To tell you frankly, kung ang tanang katoliko mosuway lang ug basa or gamit na permi sa bibliya, 80-90% tingali makapangutana gyud about sa mga practices nga wala mahisubay diha. kana kung tinuoray nga nangita sa kamatuoran.

[dartzed]

hehehe. imong pasabot napa diay purohan si Hitler nga malangit kung pamisahan to siya? bisan kinsa tingali nga tarung ug hunahuna dili gyud makaingon nga langit to sya padung. kung nagduha2 ka nga katong nabuhat nya is against God, murag napay daghan passage sa bible nga wala nimo mabasa.

unsay point ana? kung napa may purohan nga maluwas diay ang dautan nga tawo bisan namatay na, then walay pulos ang death sa ginoo sa krus. pwede raman diay na nga paagi. Murag libog gamay ang paagi sa kaluwasan kung mao na. Unsa man gyud ang insakto, Jesus Christ or ang prayer for the dead?

you don't get it bro ana ko nimo even if unsa pana ka badlunong ang tao bro deli na nato katungod nga muhusga nila kay buhat na sa ginuo.. sa giingon ko na bro nag.ampo ang RC sa tanan mga tao but ang ginuo ra ang makahukom nila kinsay malangit or maimpyerno..

yes bro daghan pa jud but at least halos tanan nako questions b4 ako na natubag including ni ato topic..

ok ra bro. peace!

nya bro nagets na nimo y naa mi gitawag nga purgatory?..hehe

He is referring to those mga saved bro. The testing of deeds through fire is for the rewards. walay labot ang unbelievers ana nga verse.

mao gani na ang punto nako bro. dha sa Rev 21:27 There shall not enter into it anything defiled or that works abomination or makes a lie: but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb. usa pa Heb 12: 14 Follow peace with all men and holiness: without which no man shall see God.

sa bibliya lagi bro deli man makasulod lagi nya d sad makakita sa ginuo ang tanan nga naay hugaw nga sala?.. dapat holy man ang tao para makasulod sa langit ug makakita sa ginuo..

hehe. among gi-translate or ang mga tinuod nga christians nga nagsunod jud sa mga teachings diha sa bibliya?
walay problema bisan ang inyong bibliya ang atong gamiton, still ang message diha para gihapon sa atong kaluwasan.

It's not the reason nga nagkugubot ang christians karon, ayaw iblame sa bibliya kay mostly bisan sa mga panimalay karon, madatu or professional dili man gani magkasabot, duna man gani mga igsuon nga nag dumtanay!

To tell you frankly, kung ang tanang katoliko mosuway lang ug basa or gamit na permi sa bibliya, 80-90% tingali makapangutana gyud about sa mga practices nga wala mahisubay diha. kana kung tinuoray nga nangita sa kamatuoran.

you can call yourself true christians or whatever you call yourselves that makes you righteous than the Roman Catholics, still wala mi problema ninyo amo ra japon mo iampo.. that's what you guys think bro nga halos tanan RC wala nagbasa but parehas ninyo sad naa mi mga sectors nga nagbasa sad ug nagtudlo sa amo mga igsuon nga wala nkabasa..