***truth about jesus christ!

[orochimaru700]

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ha? sayon ra na sabton, wa gani mo kampi nimo, meaning, puro botbot nang imong istorya,,, walay unod, puro atik, bakak, tinonto,,, awa si Jesus, diba daghan ug followers, kay sakto man cya, ikaw puro sayop, atik,binotbot, stats pa lang diri, wala gyud ni uyon nimo, luoya... kasabot naka nganu walay nka uyon nimo, basaha lang sa ibabaw...

Kana may sakto dili kay sigeg ingon namugos ko ninyo! maunsa diay ta kung walay kampi, kamo ray taw?
i only need God's mercy and grace. Dili sa inyohang ideas.

[marine77]

cge ato pang dungagan ky na intriga pa gyud kos ka bright nmo! hahaha... ako pay mo analyze ug lalom! pwede mu adto sa kag mental? hahaha, naa na gyud nay problema imong pangisip dong...

Ipa intriga tikaw ug maayo para dili ka katog maghayang! hhehehe--bitaw part, walang personalan ha! exchanging of ideas rani atua.

nangutana kag dghan Creator? sure ka? hahahaha....

Ikaw tubag kung daghan ba ang Creator para nimo!

dong, exampolan tka, ang sakyanan nga Nissan ug BMW nagtuo ka pareho nag creator? hahahaha.... wala ka kabalo ana? super duper ignorante na gyud diay ka, official na...

hehehe---Hisgot man gud ka anang lain2 nga brand, so pasabot diay ana nga daghan sad ang creator!
official jud part mubo ra kayog maabtan imong logic!

Nissan, BMW, Mercedes, Alfa Romeo, Ferrari, etc.. lain lain na sila ug creator dong, kasabot ka, nosebleed?

Unya unsa may brand sa imoha kay mubo man kag logic? ibutang lang tika sa chariot.

meaning, lain lain ang creator, pero usa ray GOAL! which is ang CAR!

unswahhh may kang wala magbugno pag create sa universe no? lain2 baya na sila ug views.

now to religion... lain lain ug procedure sa pag ampo, pero ang finished product = GOD!

hehhehee---iskolorum paktom? how about chanting or summoning spirits? good God or the evil one?

sabot or nosebleed? hahahaha.... KA BRIGHTTTTTTTTTT, super BRIGHT, genius man ka marine77... hahaha... you made my day! pwede man diay ka komedyante sa imong pagka ignorante sah... tsk tsk tsk,, hahaha...

hehhe---at least nakalingaw sad ko nimo kay murag sakitan sad baya tawn ka ganina sorry ato part!

[SugbuNI]

Nya naliberate naka or naka attain na ug enlightenment? or Hap pa gihapon imong third eye

ngano ka? focus bai ayaw og likoy. ang main issue is "there are many paths to truth/heaven/salvation". Dili 3rd eye,dili enlightenment.

ayaw pataka og okay og topic nga wa diha mora kag hubog ana.

Ang nakalisud sa concept sa Ginoo sa hinduism kay walay distinction ang good ug evil, they both co-exist in one universal god. While in Christianity, "sin" or evil is a parasite, which originates from Lucifer's pride!

dong again ayaw ka ratol. kalma lang. ang topic lagi kay "there are may paths to salvation/truth/liberation/heaven". dili about sa concept sa Ginoo, focus ha focus ayaw og likoy. You are playing with the big guns now.

Hinduism like all other non-Christian religions accept various ideas of "God" and cannot define a true saving relationship with the God of heaven and creator of us all.

again out of topic.

I). Philosophy and Teachings:
Hinduism is marked by the worship and belief in many forms of "God." There are nearly 330 million deities in the Hindu belief structure making it difficult to define a major belief system. Kung apil ka ani, ika 330,000,001 ka!

While Hinduism has a diversity of beliefs, some common beliefs can be found, God:
The Hindu concept of God is best described by the series "Star Wars" and its idea of "The Force." It is this idea of an undefined "higher power" that has influenced much of Western culture from Alcoholics Anonymous' "God who you perceive Him to be" and Masonry's "great architect." All of these are a generic "God" that can be anything one chooses Him to be rather than the clearly defined God of Scripture.

The Upanishads define God as "Brahman" which is the culmination of their many gods into one "Reality" beyond comprehension. Brahman became known as "Isvara" through the "Trimurti" (three manifestations) of Brahman. These three manifestations are: Brahma- the creator, Vishnu- the preserver, and Shiva- the destroyer.

Ishvara became personified later by 10 mythical incarnations of Vishnu called "Avatars." Bhagavad Gita says, "When goodness grows weak, When evil increases, I make myself a body. In every age I come back To deliver the holy, To destroy the sin of the sinner, To establish righteousness." Some of these Avatars have been said to have been Krishna, Rama, Buddha and Jesus Christ, however they must be born in India to be a full Avatar. Hinduism says that Christ was more a "messenger of God" than an Avatar.

"Atman is Brahman" a decree of Hinduism that says your true self (Atman) is, as are all living things, Brahman ("God"). Hinduism teaches that we are ignorant of our divine nature and therefore we live with personal desires and egos which cause our pain. This is the same idea that is taught in Buddhism through the "4 Noble Truths" and much like Scientology's "thetan" concept. This is also the reason that many Hindus are vegetarians not wanting to kill any life ("Ahimsa"- non-injury to living things) that might be "God."
Karma, Samsara & Moksha:

Karma is "cause and effect" much like Buddha taught in Buddhism. It is the idea that everything one does will affect him in a later life. For some it breeds fatalism in that you are doomed because of the past and so you simply accept it.

Samsara is reincarnation or transmigration. This also was transferred into Buddhism with some changes. In Hinduism, the soul (atman) is reborn in another body (human or animal). Along with Samsara is the "Caste" system where people are in 4 basic castes or social classes. These castes are Brahmins (priests), Kshatriyas (warriors), Vaisyas (merchants, farmers), Shudras (laboring class). One's caste is determined at birth or by personal karma and cannot be improved upon.

Moksha is liberation, like the Buddhist idea of Nirvana. Moksha is the solution to karma and attachment to personal goals and desires. "This can only occur when we truly realize that our separate self is actually an illusion and that only the undifferentiated oneness of Brahman is real. We must therefore strive to detach ourselves from the desires and actions of our ego in order to attain true enlightenment." (www.equip.org/free/DH-122.htm)
Salvation (Moksha) 3 Paths to Moksha:

Through Jnana Yoga a way of knowledge. Through deep meditation (yoga) one realizes their oneness with the divine Brahman overcoming ignorance (Avidya).

Through Bhakti Yoga that is devotion to one of the many gods and goddesses of Hinduism. This is self-surrender, worship (Puja), participation in the many religious festivals, and pilgrimages to one of the numerous holy sites in India.

II). A Biblical Response to Hinduism.

There is but ONE God!
"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."
(1 Corinthians 8:5-6 KJV)

For man to be God is Satan's original lie!

"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:4-5 KJV)

Man CANNOT earn or "realize" salvation through any works, meditation, or worship of created images.
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;"
(Titus 3:5 KJV)

Again, christians were already warned against these teachings back in the graden where the serpent subtly tempt Eve to disobey the Creator and become like god)) Bisan unsaon pa nimo ug explain imong concept nga enlightenment, dili gihapon na makaluwas sa imong kalag kung wala kay Kristo sa imong kasing-kasing!

nice copy and paste, lol! but FAILURE kay wa ka address sa tinood nga issue w/c is "there are many paths to truth/ salvation".

Kana maoy klaro nga ni-judge! how about kang Quiboloy part?.

nganong ni judge man ko? ikaw may ga apil ni ecleo, imo man na siyang gi level ni Hesus, beh ikaw kono akong pangutan-on ka level ba si Ecleo ni Hesus?

Daghan paagi unya ikaw mismo moingon nga si ecleo dili maluwas? hehhe---ako nasad mangutana, Ginoo diay ka? Then why not try to become a muslim or a hindu than merely catholic?

wa jud ko ni ingon nga di na malowas. pataka man lang ka og pamasangil. hahaha.

WALA KO MAMUGOS DAWATON NIMO OR DILI! basta ang kaluwasan sa tawo maangkon lang DIHA kang Ginoong Hesukristo! sabot?

si Hesus osa ra na sa dalan sa kalowasan. gets? e prove sa nga siya jud ang DALAN.

wa ka mamogos? hahaha, nya nganong ipogos man jud lagi nimo nga si Hesus ra jud ang dalan, hahaha.

[marine77]

ha? sayon ra na sabton, wa gani mo kampi nimo, meaning, puro botbot nang imong istorya,,, walay unod, puro atik, bakak, tinonto,,, awa si Jesus, diba daghan ug followers, kay sakto man cya, ikaw puro sayop, atik,binotbot, stats pa lang diri, wala gyud ni uyon nimo, luoya... kasabot naka nganu walay nka uyon nimo, basaha lang sa ibabaw...

hehhehe----thats okay!
At least youve known the truth and you showed admiration for the Lord!

only God can forgive me.heheh!
peace part

[SugbuNI]

I quote sad diri imong giingon nga naay laing dalan sa kaluwasan! hasta ang ga claim para fair ba. makaingon ta nga daghan jud diay dili lang kay si Jesus Christ

daghan, naa man kaha ka sa Saudi? pangutana diha kong unsay dalan sa kalowasan sa mga Muslim.

Lain pagkasulti? hehehhe. Lain sad akong sabot ana, dili na kaluwasan sa kalag. Tingali kaluwasan na sa imong utang dodong

ha? naunsa naman ka oi. wa nakay ika rason? mao nay problema nimo dong kay imong knowledge kotob ra sa Christianity, sure kaayo ko nga wa kay alamag about hinduism and other Religion then mo judge ka nga sayop ila? hahaha wa man gani ka kasabot kong unsay ponto sa hinduism og Islam og Buddhism.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY, the truth and the life.....
Kung nakasabot ka ana ug diskompyado then, tun-i ug maayo

sakto lagi na, si Hesus ang dalan. unsa may sabton ana ba? hahahaha. Pero ang atong gi debatehan kay mao ni there are many paths to heaven/salvation/truth. so in other words Si hesus osa ra sa daghang dalan. gets?

kong di nimo ma prove nga si Hesus ra ang dalan my contention still stands.

timan-e dong sa wa pa si Hesus gi unsa man paglowas sa mga tao sa old testament beh. hahaha.

[orochimaru700]

Ikaw tubag kung daghan ba ang Creator para nimo!

klaro ana daghan Creator, kasabot kag lain lain lagi ang nahimo nga scriptures, gahi-ag batikulon, unsay imong pagtuo usa ray nahimo? lol! gamit utok please...

hehehe---Hisgot man gud ka anang lain2 nga brand, so pasabot diay ana nga daghan sad ang creator!
official jud part mubo ra kayog maabtan imong logic!

ako pay walay logic? hahahaha... kataw-anan... so unsa imong view sa mga brand sa sakyanan, pareho ra gyud ug creator? ? ? hahahaha... 5 points sa ka bright!, congrats...

Unya unsa may brand sa imoha kay mubo man kag logic? ibutang lang tika sa chariot.

another non-sense reply, walay ikatubag, pareho ra kuno ug creator ang mga sakyanan, logic please... hahaha.. bright pa mang taga bukid nimo dong, kaila pa man aha na sila na manufacture, pag ingon ug toyota, ka ingon daun clag japan! BMW, germany! pero ikaw, usa ra lagi kunoy creator oi... hahahaha... kataw-anan

unswahhh may kang wala magbugno pag create sa universe no? lain2 baya na sila ug views.

dugay na mang nag bugno tungod anang mga beliefs, ingnoy gyud lagi ka, wala kay ka idea idea, sus, pagbasa ug encyclopedia, na sobraan ra ka sa ka bright, pagka toytoy nimo dong, tawn pud...

hehhehee---iskolorum paktom? how about chanting or summoning spirits? good God or the evil one?

ikaw Ginoo ka? kabalo ka unsa na? naa kay gahum mo judge? lol... false prophet ra man ka

hehhe---at least nakalingaw sad ko nimo kay murag sakitan sad baya tawn ka ganina sorry ato part!

yeah right... sakitan my a.s.s, bata man diay kag pang huna huna, hahaha.. luoy pud tawn.

[marine77]

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ngano ka? focus bai ayaw og likoy. ang main issue is "there are many paths to truth/heaven/salvation". Dili 3rd eye,dili enlightenment.

ayaw pataka og okay og topic nga wa diha mora kag hubog ana.

Kung parehas ta ug page ang akong gipasabot is the salvation of our soul (bondage of sin) and eternal separation from God after we die. Unsa may imoha sad nga pasabot nga kaluwasan? sa utang or what?

dong again ayaw ka ratol. kalma lang. ang topic lagi kay "there are may paths to salvation/truth/liberation/heaven". dili about sa concept sa Ginoo, focus ha focus ayaw og likoy. You are playing with the big guns now.

based sa imong hunahuna lagi! pero for us Christians kay si Jesus Christ raman jud. unsaon mana pag reconcile?

nice copy and paste, lol! but FAILURE kay wa ka address sa tinood nga issue w/c is "there are many paths to truth/ salvation".

okay ra nimo but for me there's only ONE WAY! daog.

nganong ni judge man ko? ikaw may ga apil ni ecleo, imo man na siyang gi level ni Hesus, beh ikaw kono akong pangutan-on ka level ba si Ecleo ni Hesus?

hahahahh! tubaga sa si Quiboloy.

wa jud ko ni ingon nga di na malowas. pataka man lang ka og pamasangil. hahaha.

hahahah--kuyawan ka tawgon ug ginoo2 part?

si Hesus osa ra na sa dalan sa kalowasan. gets? e prove sa nga siya jud ang DALAN.

wa ka mamogos? hahaha, nya nganong ipogos man jud lagi nimo nga si Hesus ra jud ang dalan, hahaha.

pagpabuhat ug imong bible nga giapil na niya ang uban! hhheheeh/

[orochimaru700]

how sure are you that God will forgive you? Lol... sure gyud ka anang gbati nimo? let's go back to topic, Islam, Hindu, Buddhist, and Christians have millions of followers, for sure kasabot naka ana,, wala sila mo criticize sa uban religion, mao fruitful ilang faith ug loyality sa ilang designated beliefs, pero ikaw, Christian Extremism mana imoha, mao nang walay mo uyon nimo, puro panira ug lain religion, atik, bot bot, tanang klase sa palusot bsag non-sense, apil oi, tsk tsk, think!

hehhehe----thats okay!
At least youve known the truth and you showed admiration for the Lord!

only God can forgive me.heheh!
peace part

[SugbuNI]

[QUOTE=marine77;12553490]

Kung parehas ta ug page ang akong gipasabot is the salvation of our soul (bondage of sin) and eternal separation from God after we die. Unsa may imoha sad nga pasabot nga kaluwasan? sa utang or what?

dong bisag unsa pay tawag nimo ana basta ang goal is to link yourself back to God. you can call it salvation, you can call it liberation you can call it yoga.

ayaw pataka og yawit diha kay kana imong side comment side comment di na magsilbi nako. You're with the big boys now dong. Just to give you an idea kong unsa ko ka seryoso aning butanga, In my mini library naa koy Quran, islamic books,buddhism,hinduism..etc. so ayaw pataka og yawit kay ma owawan jud ka karon.

based sa imong hunahuna lagi! pero for us Christians kay si Jesus Christ raman jud. unsaon mana pag reconcile?

aw based ra pod na sa imong hunahuna. to convince us you have to prove it.

okay ra nimo but for me there's only ONE WAY! daog.

sayop jud na. kay matud pa sa Bhagavad Gita si God mopadala og mga Sugo sa panahon nga ang mga tao mopalayo na sa Ginoo.

hahahahh! tubaga sa si Quiboloy.

ngano diay si Quiboloy? ka level sila ni Hesus?

hahahah--kuyawan ka tawgon ug ginoo2 part?

ha? na unsa naka diha?

pagpabuhat ug imong bible nga giapil na niya ang uban! hhheheeh/

nganong magbuhat man ko nga naa namay daghang sacred scriptures to prove nga daghan ang dalan, wa kay logic bai.

[SugbuNI]

Bhagavad Gita says, "When goodness grows weak, When evil increases, I make myself a body. In every age I come back To deliver the holy, To destroy the sin of the sinner, To establish righteousness." Some of these Avatars have been said to have been Krishna, Rama, Buddha and Jesus Christ, however they must be born in India to be a full Avatar. Hinduism says that Christ was more a "messenger of God" than an Avatar.