***truth about jesus christ!

[SugbuNI]

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So imong assignment ang pagpangita kung asa ang tinuod nilang tanan! kay pwede man nato iapil diha si ecleo ug ubang kulto. diba? unya tun-i pud kung naa bana sa hinduism ug buddism ang langit nga Giingon sa ginoo!

ikaw pagtoon kay sure ko wa pa ka maka suway anang buddhsim,hindusim og Islam. kanang mga Relihiyona dodong naa koy mga libro ana diri sa balay mao ng kabalo ko anang mga butanga. pero ikaw Im sure wa jud kay alamag ana. mao ng ikaw ang pagtoon.

way langit sa Hinduism og Buddhism? pataka man lang ka. hahaha, na expose na pod ang imong pagka ignorante aning mga butanga nya karon ingnon ko nimo nga akoy magtoon. hahaha. timan-e we are not only taking about heaven, apil na diha ang goal sa kaluwasan, liberation.

kana si Ecleo dong di na puede ma apil kay ang binuhatan ana sukwahi sa binuhatan sa osa ka tao nga naka baton na og enlightenment.

osbon ko daghan ang paagi sa pagbaton sa kaluwasan, kong mo ingon ka nga imong pagtoo ra ang tinood? hala e prove na diri. kay sa tinood pagka sulti dong ang TRUTH dili ma grasp sa osa ka tao nga finite. kasabot ka ana? basin wa na pod ka kasabot ana.

pait jud part kung dili ta magkasinabot! unsaon kay wala paman nimo masabti sad) anyway, k rana.

kaw ray wa kasabot sa imong kaugalingon, osbon ko ayaw ipa mogos sa MUslim nga si Hesus ang paagi nila sa langit kay lahi pod na ang ila.

[SugbuNI]

naa man na sila part, kinsa bay nag ingon nimo nga wala?
ang akong point kay "THE WAY, TRUTH and the LIFE" raman. kung moingon ka nga sila mao pud ang dalan, then simple, hatagi ko ug supporting verse!

pssst,nganong mangita man ka ana nga verse sa obang Sacred Scriptures nga si Hesus may gasulti ana? naunsa man ka oi.

lain pod pagkasuti didto dong pero ang goal is salvation/liberation/enlightenment sa kalag. gets?


karon sige man ka pamogos nga imo ra ang tinood, hala tagae mi diri og ebidens sa imong WAY TRUTH LIFE.

[orochimaru700]

ang akong point kay "THE WAY, TRUTH and the LIFE" raman. kung moingon ka nga sila mao pud ang dalan, then simple, hatagi ko ug supporting verse!

bugo-on ka or ignorante lang gyud ka? unsa imong g expect naa na ang "THE WAY, TRUTH and the LIFE" sa uban religion? gamita na imong utok, g sulti-an na man tka nga lain lain ang sacred scriptures ang mga nahimo, thus lain lain pud ang beliefs ang nanga create, bsag lain2x pa na ang pagkahimo sa sacred scriptures, usa ra gyapon ang padulngan ana... pasabot nimo Supreme na ang imong religion tungod lang ana nga passage? na yabag na, daghan nag na expose sa imo kaugalingon, ignoy man diay ka, aw klaro man nuon...

naa man na sila part, kinsa bay nag ingon nimo nga wala?

oi, salamat, ni angkon ra gyud tawn ka nga nag exist ang uban religion, pa gahi gahi pa gyud ka, feeling nimo Supreme na na imong Christianity sa tanan, yabaga...

[orochimaru700]

pareha ra na sa Car Manufacturing, klac klac ang design, engine types, chasis, model, ma BMW, Mercdes Benz, V8 - V12 engine, pero ang result = CAR ra gyapon, meaning usa ray Goal! sakyanan ra gyapon...

nosebleed lang gyapon cguro ka ana... hahaha..

[orochimaru700]

aw nganu d man ka musogot e close ni nga thread? imoha ni nga thread? aw murag ikaw gyud na SantoPaps, pa bakak2x lang ka dha, dili mani thread nimo marine77

wahhhhhh! mao nay tinuod ninyong tumong! lawgawon para ma close.hehheh.
way blema na part oi. kita nang katag! hahhaha.

[marine77]

ikaw pagtoon kay sure ko wa pa ka maka suway anang buddhsim,hindusim og Islam. kanang mga Relihiyona dodong naa koy mga libro ana diri sa balay mao ng kabalo ko anang mga butanga. pero ikaw Im sure wa jud kay alamag ana. mao ng ikaw ang pagtoon.

way langit sa Hinduism og Buddhism? pataka man lang ka. hahaha, na expose na pod ang imong pagka ignorante aning mga butanga nya karon ingnon ko nimo nga akoy magtoon. hahaha. timan-e we are not only taking about heaven, apil na diha ang goal sa kaluwasan, liberation.

Nya naliberate naka or naka attain na ug enlightenment? or Hap pa gihapon imong third eye
Ang nakalisud sa concept sa Ginoo sa hinduism kay walay distinction ang good ug evil, they both co-exist in one universal god. While in Christianity, "sin" or evil is a parasite, which originates from Lucifer's pride!

Hinduism like all other non-Christian religions accept various ideas of "God" and cannot define a true saving relationship with the God of heaven and creator of us all.

I). Philosophy and Teachings:
Hinduism is marked by the worship and belief in many forms of "God." There are nearly 330 million deities in the Hindu belief structure making it difficult to define a major belief system. Kung apil ka ani, ika 330,000,001 ka!

While Hinduism has a diversity of beliefs, some common beliefs can be found, God:
The Hindu concept of God is best described by the series "Star Wars" and its idea of "The Force." It is this idea of an undefined "higher power" that has influenced much of Western culture from Alcoholics Anonymous' "God who you perceive Him to be" and Masonry's "great architect." All of these are a generic "God" that can be anything one chooses Him to be rather than the clearly defined God of Scripture.

The Upanishads define God as "Brahman" which is the culmination of their many gods into one "Reality" beyond comprehension. Brahman became known as "Isvara" through the "Trimurti" (three manifestations) of Brahman. These three manifestations are: Brahma- the creator, Vishnu- the preserver, and Shiva- the destroyer.

Ishvara became personified later by 10 mythical incarnations of Vishnu called "Avatars." Bhagavad Gita says, "When goodness grows weak, When evil increases, I make myself a body. In every age I come back To deliver the holy, To destroy the sin of the sinner, To establish righteousness." Some of these Avatars have been said to have been Krishna, Rama, Buddha and Jesus Christ, however they must be born in India to be a full Avatar. Hinduism says that Christ was more a "messenger of God" than an Avatar.

"Atman is Brahman" a decree of Hinduism that says your true self (Atman) is, as are all living things, Brahman ("God"). Hinduism teaches that we are ignorant of our divine nature and therefore we live with personal desires and egos which cause our pain. This is the same idea that is taught in Buddhism through the "4 Noble Truths" and much like Scientology's "thetan" concept. This is also the reason that many Hindus are vegetarians not wanting to kill any life ("Ahimsa"- non-injury to living things) that might be "God."
Karma, Samsara & Moksha:

Karma is "cause and effect" much like Buddha taught in Buddhism. It is the idea that everything one does will affect him in a later life. For some it breeds fatalism in that you are doomed because of the past and so you simply accept it.

Samsara is reincarnation or transmigration. This also was transferred into Buddhism with some changes. In Hinduism, the soul (atman) is reborn in another body (human or animal). Along with Samsara is the "Caste" system where people are in 4 basic castes or social classes. These castes are Brahmins (priests), Kshatriyas (warriors), Vaisyas (merchants, farmers), Shudras (laboring class). One's caste is determined at birth or by personal karma and cannot be improved upon.

Moksha is liberation, like the Buddhist idea of Nirvana. Moksha is the solution to karma and attachment to personal goals and desires. "This can only occur when we truly realize that our separate self is actually an illusion and that only the undifferentiated oneness of Brahman is real. We must therefore strive to detach ourselves from the desires and actions of our ego in order to attain true enlightenment." (www.equip.org/free/DH-122.htm)
Salvation (Moksha) 3 Paths to Moksha:

Through Jnana Yoga a way of knowledge. Through deep meditation (yoga) one realizes their oneness with the divine Brahman overcoming ignorance (Avidya).

Through Bhakti Yoga that is devotion to one of the many gods and goddesses of Hinduism. This is self-surrender, worship (Puja), participation in the many religious festivals, and pilgrimages to one of the numerous holy sites in India.

II). A Biblical Response to Hinduism.

There is but ONE God!
"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."
(1 Corinthians 8:5-6 KJV)

For man to be God is Satan's original lie!

"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:4-5 KJV)

Man CANNOT earn or "realize" salvation through any works, meditation, or worship of created images.
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;"
(Titus 3:5 KJV)

Again, christians were already warned against these teachings back in the graden where the serpent subtly tempt Eve to disobey the Creator and become like god)) Bisan unsaon pa nimo ug explain imong concept nga enlightenment, dili gihapon na makaluwas sa imong kalag kung wala kay Kristo sa imong kasing-kasing!

kana si Ecleo dong di na puede ma apil kay ang binuhatan ana sukwahi sa binuhatan sa osa ka tao nga naka baton na og enlightenment

Kana maoy klaro nga ni-judge! how about kang Quiboloy part?.

osbon ko daghan ang paagi sa pagbaton sa kaluwasan, kong mo ingon ka nga imong pagtoo ra ang tinood? hala e prove na diri. kay sa tinood pagka sulti dong ang TRUTH dili ma grasp sa osa ka tao nga finite. kasabot ka ana? basin wa na pod ka kasabot ana.

Daghan paagi unya ikaw mismo moingon nga si ecleo dili maluwas? hehhe---ako nasad mangutana, Ginoo diay ka? Then why not try to become a muslim or a hindu than merely catholic?

kaw ray wa kasabot sa imong kaugalingon, osbon ko ayaw ipa mogos sa MUslim nga si Hesus ang paagi nila sa langit kay lahi pod na ang ila.

WALA KO MAMUGOS DAWATON NIMO OR DILI! basta ang kaluwasan sa tawo maangkon lang DIHA kang Ginoong Hesukristo! sabot?

[marine77]

pssst,nganong mangita man ka ana nga verse sa obang Sacred Scriptures nga si Hesus may gasulti ana? naunsa man ka oi.

I quote sad diri imong giingon nga naay laing dalan sa kaluwasan! hasta ang ga claim para fair ba. makaingon ta nga daghan jud diay dili lang kay si Jesus Christ

lain pod pagkasuti didto dong pero ang goal is salvation/liberation/enlightenment sa kalag. gets?

Lain pagkasulti? hehehhe. Lain sad akong sabot ana, dili na kaluwasan sa kalag. Tingali kaluwasan na sa imong utang dodong

karon sige man ka pamogos nga imo ra ang tinood, hala tagae mi diri og ebidens sa imong WAY TRUTH LIFE.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I AM THE WAY, the truth and the life.....
Kung nakasabot ka ana ug diskompyado then, tun-i ug maayo

[marine77]

bugo-on ka or ignorante lang gyud ka?

Mura man kag iro part sigeg paghot! Mao na imong nakat-unan sa imong ginikanan?

unsa imong g expect naa na ang "THE WAY, TRUTH and the LIFE" sa uban religion?

So kung imo pud gamiton imong bagol2, unsa may sabot nimo ana? Pasabot ana part nga wala ang way, truth and life sa ilaha. Ka simple tawn ana sabton oi!

gamita na imong utok, g sulti-an na man tka nga lain lain ang sacred scriptures ang mga nahimo, thus lain lain pud ang beliefs ang nanga create, bsag lain2x pa na ang pagkahimo sa sacred scriptures, usa ra gyapon ang padulngan ana...

Kinsay gaingon nga parehas ra ug padulngan? mabasa nato sa imohang version? murag dili na utok imong gigamit galing part. hehehhehe!

pasabot nimo Supreme na ang imong religion tungod lang ana nga passage? na yabag na, daghan nag na expose sa imo kaugalingon, ignoy man diay ka, aw klaro man nuon...

hehehhe--wala kay mahimo part kung SUPREME man sa imong pagsabot ang CHristianity sa uban. thanks for that

oi, salamat, ni angkon ra gyud tawn ka nga nag exist ang uban religion, pa gahi gahi pa gyud ka, feeling nimo Supreme na na imong Christianity sa tanan, yabaga...

kinsa may niingon wala? hahahh--atong topic is about the WAY to salvation part, dili ang religion. saonz!

[marine77]

pareha ra na sa Car Manufacturing, klac klac ang design, engine types, chasis, model, ma BMW, Mercdes Benz, V8 - V12 engine, pero ang result = CAR ra gyapon, meaning usa ray Goal! sakyanan ra gyapon...

nosebleed lang gyapon cguro ka ana... hahaha..

Ah ngiga no? kamao jud ka part, unya usa ra sad ang tag-iya ana nga mga brands? toink.

okay ra nang nosebleed part kay sa BUOG nimo maoy mogawas kay mura kag dili kadungog sigeg balik! hahahhah.

bitaw part, likayi lang ang personal attacks or offensive comment kay murag ma konsensya ko permi kung makabaws ug bati! sorry lang.

[estambae]

@Marine and Orochi

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