Nvidia 8800GTX vs. ATI R600 Benchmarks release...

[EarlZ]

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Heres something to think about do a search on R600 benchmarks, see how dozens of sites are talking about it.
Someone wise actually started something very interesting,a no name website posting something about the latest hardware thats barely known to the public and prances around some tech forum and posts the link to the so called site and thus generating above $1,500 or more worth from ads, now thats something that makes sense to me =)

[dagget]

Using Intel's Quadcore and AMD's 4 x 4 eliminates the CPU as a bottleneck for the 8800GTX...

Cholocoy was presenting how you can exprienced the FULL performance of the 8800GTX without the CPU-bottleneck

you can install the 8800GTX in any PCI-Express motherboard.... there is no problem with that....

[cHoLoCoY]

Cholocoy was presenting how you can exprienced the FULL performance of the 8800GTX without the CPU-bottleneck

thank u,...

[EarlZ]

Using Intel's Quadcore and AMD's 4 x 4 eliminates the CPU as a bottleneck for the 8800GTX...

CPU bottleneck is only present at resolutions like 1024x768, at resolutions 1280x1024 and higher moves the bottleneck back to the GPU.
Anyone can fully experience the power of the 8800GTX by simply running the desired game at 1600x1200, that completely removes the CPU bottleneck issue.

Cholocoy was presenting how you can exprienced the FULL performance of the 8800GTX without the CPU-bottleneck

Yes we know thanks for reminding us again.

you can install the 8800GTX in any PCI-Express motherboard.... there is no problem with that....

Who says you cant ?





Additional info on the power requirements for the 8800GTX, nvidia recommends a dual 18amps.. so having those 850 or 1kwatt psu's that have a quad or more 17amp 12v wont do you any good here as compared to a lower wattage psu with 18amps per 12v rail.

[dagget]

CPU bottleneck is only present at resolutions like 1024x768, at resolutions 1280x1024 and higher moves the bottleneck back to the GPU.
Anyone can fully experience the power of the 8800GTX by simply running the desired game at 1600x1200, that completely removes the CPU bottleneck issue.

Hmmm.... you mean to say a AMD64 3000+ with 8800GTX at 1600x1200 resolution with FSAA, AF and HDR

will be the same as a Intel Quadcore with 8800GTX at 1600x12000 resolution with FSAA, AF and HDR

I see a CPU bottleneck with the AMD64

[icecube]

everyones talking about this bench on the net that this is possibly a hoax. Its more likely hoax to me, coz some results are absurd to me.

CPU bottleneck is only present at resolutions like 1024x768, at resolutions 1280x1024 and higher moves the bottleneck back to the GPU.
Anyone can fully experience the power of the 8800GTX by simply running the desired game at 1600x1200, that completely removes the CPU bottleneck issue.

Maybe your right with the previous gpu's., but these gpus(r600, g80) requires more cpu power otherwise its a waste of your money. Coz you cant use its full potential, i have known many experts says that at least a conroe will do the trick with these cards.

A lot of experts says that it will cost you more if you buy these card, coz you have to rebuild a new systems except you have the highend rig with at least a conroe mpu a good mobo and higher spec memory module to get its full potential.

I will wait for brisbane this year to comeout, maybe I could save for this monster (R600).

[icecube]

the R600 maybe AMD ATI's last card.......

R700 probably comes out Q3 2k7. :mrgreen:

[EarlZ]

@dagget

Hmmm.... you mean to say a AMD64 3000+ with 8800GTX at 1600x1200 resolution with FSAA, AF and HDR

will be the same as a Intel Quadcore with 8800GTX at 1600x12000 resolution with FSAA, AF and HDR

The conditions you stated above is not a correct example for CPU bottlenecking conditions, instead you are talking about CPU scaling.
CPU bottleneck only occurs when the GPU is waiting for data to be fed from the CPU. HQ-AF,HDR and FSAA is entirely done under the GPU w/ no need for CPU support.

Run a modern game at 640x480 ~ 1024x768 with both systems you stated, regardless of what it IS a CPU bottleneck since the video card is able to render those resolutions w/o breaking a sweat, now increase the resolution from 1280x1024 to 2048x1536, the work load increases on the GPU more rather than on the cpu, adding 16xS AA + 16x HQ-AF and HDR even increases the GPU workload further, thus removing the actual CPU bottleneck ( taking note that CPU bottleneck only occurs when the GPU is waiting for the CPU )

The hard thing about CPU bottlenecking is people tend to be very vague about it ( just like your example above ) w/o considering the settings for the benchmark or the game and not even making a apples to apples comparison

So is the 3000+ CPU bottlenecking the 8800GTX, Yes and No.. depends on the conditions stated ( lower res CPU bottleneck, higher res GPU bottleneck )
but is the 3000+ CPU compared to the Q6600 bottlenecking the 8800GTX then yes regardless of the conditions.

But do you currently need a quadcore to experience the 8800GTX at its fullest power ? No, you dont need a quadcore.. dual core is more than enough.
The reason why people believed that quadcore is needed for the 8800GTX is when the guys like kingpin,shamino and victorwang showed the benchmarks of dual vs quadcore featuring the 8800GTX under 3dmark06, people are forgetting that the CPU test is getting massive boost from the 2 added cores hence the 3~4k increase in scores as compared to a dual core system, but running tests w/o the CPU score included the results are the same with a E6600 vs Q6600.

another example is on a AMD 3700+ with a 8800GTX running 3dmark06 results in a 7,200~7,600 score while running a E6300 nabs a 9,700 ~ 10,200 score.. difference in both is under the CPU score, w/o the CPU score the difference of scores in both systems are under 1k difference.But the difference in games actually varies several factors such as AI,Audio and physics which could be more bound to a CPU.

In conclusion, the 3000+ is a bottleneck to a certain degree yes, but that doesnt stop you from enjoying the fps boost from the 8800GTX, even if you already come from a 7950GX2



@icecube

everyones talking about this bench on the net that this is possibly a hoax. Its more likely hoax to me, coz some results are absurd to me.

Whats more absurd to me is that your finding results of a non exsisting hardware ( to consumers ) absurd. I mean do you know the real benchmark results of the R600 then ?

Maybe your right with the previous gpu's., but these gpus(r600, g80) requires more cpu power otherwise its a waste of your money. Coz you cant use its full potential, i have known many experts says that at least a conroe will do the trick with these cards.

Yes even a E6300 is more than sufficient for the task.

A lot of experts says that it will cost you more if you buy these card, coz you have to rebuild a new systems except you have the highend rig with at least a conroe mpu a good mobo and higher spec memory module to get its full potential.

Then clearly you heard them wrong or miss informed, you dont need a uber highend rig to benefit from the 8800GTX.
Memory modules have nothing to do with this also, unless you are talking about overclocking gains on the CPU.

I will wait for brisbane this year to comeout, maybe I could save for this monster (R600).

OT:

I sure wish brisbane comes thru, but hearing the initial testing results they arnt that impressive...(yet)
and AMD is having issues with their 65nm process, while intel is already testing 45nm

[Conrad]

hehe nice post

[cHoLoCoY]

i read the 1st one,.... but he edited it and it was to long,.... so i dint read it,...

maybe when i feel like reading it,.... i'll post my comments,....