Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[How'sThat?]

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Explain daw sa imong ginoo brad bi!
Yep sakto ka--, Jesus claims that he is the way, truth and life. Then ingon sad siya brod nga heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shall never pass away. Nya napa pa jud, Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and forever.
Ang old testament saints brad nanay knowledge about sa messiah, they’d prophesied the coming of the messiah. And also Jesus is the main character of the whole old and new testament!

Sa garden of Eden brad nana ang idea about the Lord Jesus---
Ge:3:15: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Ang even before the creation—nana ang plano sa Ginoo tanan brad mahitabo man ang Fall of Man. That’s the sovereignty of God.
1Pe:1:19: But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe:1:20: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe:1:21: Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.



Dili lagi imong good works maoy basihanan sa kaluwasan! Pasabot nga baliwala sa imoha ang kamatayon ug pagkabanhaw sa Ginoo! Do you think nagduwa2 lang ang Ginoo? Kung mao na brad, distorted ang concept nimo about sa SALA.
Unsa may imong basihanan sa good works brad nga ma consider nato nga malangit naka? Si Hitler nagtuo man pud to siya nga good works to iyang holocaust, lenin, Stalin, etc…hasta ang mga drug lord kung imo nang pangutan-on kay naa sad baya na silay good works kay mo donate man sad na sila. Pero asa naman ang idea sa PAGKAMATARUNG diha ron?
Imong buot pasabot gud brad nga ikaw ray magbuot kung unsaon nimo pagkinabuhi basta sa imong paminaw good works lang imong gibuhat way bali kung unsay definition nimo sa imong good works, gusto ka nga ang Ginoo maoy mosabot nimo!!!! Ang good works sa uban dili baya mo fit sa imong definition and vice versa.


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Naunsa diay ang huna2 brad? Gipalawman namo ug maayo dili layaw---
Kung ang imong ginoo immoral being o kaha impersonal, walay silot nga imong maangkon. Pwede ka morape karon then buhat nasad ug maayo ugma. Total loving bitaw ang ginoo nimo ug merciful.

Just Imagine, kung ang imong anak gi-rape then unsa kaha ang imong reaction? How about all the killings of the millions of people, unsaon man pag justify ron nimo sa gugma sa Ginoo?
Mao nga tungod sa kapungot sa Ginoo towards sa sala, para ma-justify niya ang iyang GUGMA, iyang gihatag ang bugtong anak isip “perfect sacrifice” para ma satisfy ang iyang justice nga sa umaabot nga judgment, dili na maka-alibi ang tawo!

Sabot naka brad?

kasabot nako kong nganong youtube osahay imong e tubag. di ka maayo mo explain og wa kaayo ka kasabot sa inyong doktrina mao ng lain na lang imong pasultihon.

all the verses you posted missed the target. ang question bai is unsay kalowasan sa mga O.T people nga wa pa man si Hesus atong panahona? unsa may basehan sa ilang pagtoo ni Hesus nga wa pa man siya atong panahona. motoo diay ka ni Rizal bisan wa pa ka kadungog sa iyang ngalan og pilosopia? naunsa.

bitaw they were expecting a messiah but not for salvation sa kalag but for the establishment of God's kingdom here on earth mao bitaw pag abot ni Hesus ilang gi reject si Hesus kay para nila wa maka meet sa requirement sa osa ka Messiah si Hesus.


dili good works? mao ba? aw nibatok ka sa bibliya.


You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.-James

So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone.-James

You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.-James

on Hitler and Stalin...unsa may imong basehan nga good works to ila gibuhat? beh beh..


immoral being og impersonal being? ang osa ka impersonal ka butang naay personal nga attitude sama sa morality og immorality? pataka man ka og connect oi. imo jud gi sumpay sa so it would look negative. hahahaha. butang butang napod.

kanang kayo brad person na siya o dili? Dili sa. pero kong mohikap ka ana, sunog imong kamot. di ba. di jud na maosab nga balaod sa physics, mao jud nay nature sa kayo. karon kining atong kinabuhi duna ni balaod o forcev nga nag govern, ang nature sa LIFE is goodness so kong mobohat ka og sayop duna jud nay consequence sama sa kayo. karon kong mang rape ka sayop na kay imo mang gi violate ang nature sa goodness og ang sayop naa jud nay consequence. sayon ra sabton sa, no need for an avenging God.

[How'sThat?]

kiat man lang k brad! hahah--
Kinsay nag ingon ba nga unbeliever kung faith + works ang imong gituohan? mas nindot gani na kung mao nay inyong buhaton kay molapas mo sa langit ana, kay sukad pa sa permirong tawo brad wala juy nakaperfect ug buhat sa balaod sa Ginoo!!! kinsa may atong basihan sa amount sa works nga matawag natong acceptable sa Ginoo nga kung imong hunahunaon ang gihatag nga 10 commandments wala may usa nga nakatuman? Do you mean nga gipagamyan sa ginoo ang 10, gihimo nalang ug uyon sa imong definition sa imong good works?


Pero kung moingon ta ug basihanan sa kaluwasan, wala lagi labot ang works diha on a christian POV!

gi contradict ra nimo imong statement diri bai. so kong Christian point of view ang Faith alone so it follows nga ang Faith plus work is dili Christian pov. mao nay implication sa imong statement pero hasta ikaw wa ka kasabot sa imong ponto.

di nko motobay ani kay layo kaayo imong ponto og nagbalik balik ra.

[How'sThat?]

Abi man nako ug Katoliko gud ka! kinsa man diay ginoo sa katoliko? Bi i-discuss daw diri ang imong paagi sa kaluwasan ug mga references gawas sa bible!!! kinsa pud ang ni claim nga moluwas. sige daw!

ikaw ba mo quote ka og osa ka statement nya imong reply kay layo ra sa point sa imo gi quote. di na magsilbi nako bai.

mora ba og quote quote ka og statement haron ingnon natobag na nimo ang ponto pero sa tinood ang imong tobag lahi napod og premise. SAYOP NA.

[How'sThat?]

Di na bad kay:
1.) Di bawal
2.) Mag post ra ko kun wa na ko buhaton or nagpaabot nga naay buhatonon ipasa nako.
3.) Ang ako pag browse ug non-work related site is known sa akong boss ug ok ra niya since I'm still doing my job more than what's expected of me

bad gihapon na bai. you are wasting the time nga gi expect sa company nimo nga mo work ka. kawat na sa oras sa trabaho.

Ikaw man siguro nagtagna tagna. Basin nakalimot ka nga nagtuo me nga ang Dios sa OT mao ra sad ang Dios sa NT?

Wa bay giila nga Dios si Abraham? si Moses ug uban pang mga propeta?

nya naa naba si Hesus ato? molikay man mo. trinitarian man kaha mo?

That's there opinion ang we respect it. So your next point is?

simple, pick your own superstition.

[BLX90Six1]

Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?


by Matt Slick
Roman Catholics often mention that the Bible never says we are saved by faith alone and that the phrase "faith alone" occurs only once in James where it says that we are not saved by faith alone. If this is so, then why do the Protestants say we are justified by faith alone and not by works? Because the Bible teaches that we are justified by faith alone, and not by works.
The following is a list of verses about being saved by faith. Please take note that faith and works are contrasted. In other words, we are saved by faith "not by works" and "apart from works", etc. The point is that there are only two options. We are saved by faith alone or we are not. Since we have faith and works (both conceptually and in practice), then we are either saved by faith alone or by faith and works. There is no other option.
If we see that the scriptures exclude works in any form as a means of our salvation, then logically, we are saved by faith alone. Let's take a look at what the Bible says about faith and works. Then, afterwards, we will tackle James' statement about "faith alone".

1. Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."
2. Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
3. Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"
4. Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith."
5. Rom. 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
6. Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
7. Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
8. Gal. 2:21, I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.
9. Gal.3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
10. Gal. 3:24, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
11. Eph. 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. 9Not by works, lest any man should boast."
12. Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."

Again, works/Law is contrasted with faith repeatedly and we are told that we are not justified by works in any way. Therefore, we are made right with God by faith, not by faith and our works; hence, faith alone.
James 2:24, not by faith alone

The scriptures clearly teach that we are saved (justified) by faith in Christ and what He has done on the cross. This faith alone saves us. However, we cannot stop here without addressing what James says in James 2:24, "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."
There is no contradiction. All you need to do is look at the context. James chapter 2 has 26 verses: Verses 1-7 instruct us not to show favoritism. Verses 8-13 are comments on the Law. Verses 14-26 are about the relationship between faith and works.
James begins this section by using the example of someone who says he has faith but has no works, "What use is it, my brethren, if a man says he has faith, but he has no works? Can that faith save him?" (James 2:14). In other words, James is addressing the issue of a dead faith, a faith that is nothing more than a verbal pronouncement, a public confession of the mind, and is not heart-felt. It is empty of life and action. He begins with the negative and demonstrates what an empty faith is (verses 15-17, words without actions). Then he shows that type of faith isn't any different from the faith of demons (verse 19). Finally, he gives examples of living faith that has words followed by actions. Works follow true faith and demonstrate that faith to our fellow man, but not to God. James writes of Abraham and Rahab as examples of people who demonstrated their faith by their deeds.
In brief, James is examining two kinds of faith: one that leads to godly works and one that does not. One is true, and the other is false. One is dead, the other alive; hence, "Faith without works is dead," (James 2:20). But, he is not contradicting the verses above that say salvation/justification is by faith alone.
Also, notice that James actually quotes the same verse that Paul quotes in Rom. 4:3 amongst a host of verses dealing with justification by faith. James 2:23 says, "and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, and Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.'" If James was trying to teach a contradictory doctrine of faith and works than the other New Testament writers, then he would not have used Abraham as an example. Therefore, we can see that justification is by faith alone and that James was talking about false faith, not real faith when he said we are not justified by faith alone.




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You need to work to prove your Faith....the grace is given to us as a door to salvation, but getting to this door you have to work for it. Meaning you have to follow the commandments of God/Jesus....in New Testament.

[marine77]

@how's

Happy new year diha-- unsa may nindot karong tuiga kaha brad?
bitaw, dili manta magdaug brad kay lahi2 man ug POV. Ang ako lang kay murag libog ang imong concept sa pagkatoliko ba basing sa imong mga punto about sa Ginoo. Ang katoliko mutoo baya sa trinity, gitawag sad sila ug christians, nituo sad sila ni Hesukristo nga anak sa Dios pero ang imong mga statement diri brad kay murag imong giwala ang importance of the Son of God ug ang iyang gospel. Mura'g sa akong tan-aw wala nimo sabta pag-ayo kung unsa jud ang purpose nganong nagpakamatay sya!!!! and yet you keep on claiming catholic, christian ka.

abi nimo brad, daghan mang mga butang nga makaduda ba about sa ROMANO katoliko kung nasudlan ba sya ug pagan practices or profoundly christian ba sya. wala ko mag-ingon nga walay mga luwas sa katoliko ha, daghan man but naa sad daghan nga wala na makabalo sa kamatuoran tungod kay daghan mga teachings nga dili na biblical, pagano ang mga origins. i-consider nimo brad ang pagan origins ni Constantine who founded RC.

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kung sakit man o bati para sa atua ang kamatuoran (no-offense brad), atong dawaton at least para sa atong kaayuhan!

[marine77]

You need to work to prove your Faith....the grace is given to us as a door to salvation, but getting to this door you have to work for it. Meaning you have to follow the commandments of God/Jesus....in New Testament.

sakto mana brad! it means naopen na ang salvation para sa imoha kung ang faith nimo tinud-anay jud. what if mamatay ka then wala paka makabuhat ug good works? luwas ka or dili? (mao na ang logic brad but ang Ginoo ra gihapon ang mojudge..hhehhe)

of course i workout jud nato ang atong salvation (meaning, naangkon na nimo ang kaluwasan), dili kay para ta maluwas!!!!

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bad gihapon na bai. you are wasting the time nga gi expect sa company nimo nga mo work ka. kawat na sa oras sa trabaho.

which part sa #2 wa nimo nasabtan?

nya naa naba si Hesus ato? molikay man mo. trinitarian man kaha mo?

Wa pa nagpakatawo si Hesus. Tubaga ako pangutana "Wa bay giila nga Dios si Abraham? si Moses ug uban pang mga propeta?"

simple, pick your own superstition.

Imoha pud nang opinion. Di na nako na lalison

[marine77]

@how's

mao ba wa ka ni ingon ana? so kinsa diay ni...sa page 16 post #240

si marine77 na brad!

aw, ai jud ka pailad brad, bahalag ikay mangilad! hahaahh----
The claims of the Lord Jesus Christ brad is very exclusive! kung kasabot ka ana, matubag nimo imong pangutana. Kung lain man ang ginoo nga imong giila, kinsa pud ug asa mabasa iyang claim?
ikaw na di ba? oi lihay lihay ka ha. hehe.

Wa man tingali na molihay brad! Ask ko nimo bi—naa bay kalahian ang word nga MAngilad ug NAngilad? Hmmm…kaw jud.

mo deny pa jud nga wa siya masoko.lol! bisan klaro na kaayo nigawas ang pagka extremist.

Unsa may angay ikasuko? Wala tingali. Peace diha brad.

di na butang butang its based on historical evidence. kana imong attitude mao nay attitude sa mga extremist nga andma mopatay in the name of their Religion kay para nila they alone knows the truth and if its challenged buhatob ang tanan even if it means to lie para lang madaot ang ilang kontra just like what you are doing here.

Wala na sa teachings sa Christianity ang mopatay brad! Ginoo ray nay katungod ana. Ikaw, nagclaim man jud ka nga catholic (Christian), naa diay na sa inyong teachings?

good works man ni akong gibuhat, ako gi exposed imong butang butang. malangit ko ani oi. thumbs up!

Sa imong hunahuna kay works man kaha imong gibasihan, makatubag ka ana. Hahhah! Non-sense naman na brad.

of course. bisan ang angels og humans we are all sons of God. by the way for your information the title son of God in hebrew is not in Capital letter.

Ohw! Likoy nag hinay-hinay. So you mean, imong gi-level ang imong self compared to the Lord Jesus Christ as the Son of GOD? Unsa may imong nabuhat nga makatuo jud mi sa imong Hebrew reference. Tinuod nga kita mga anak sa Dios kay binuhat manta niya tanan. But it doesn’t mean nga anointed ka or given the power to become the SON of GOD! Padung mana imoha sa Buddhist philosophy brad---murag lahi ra ang imong tumong brad.

I'm sorry I don't accept youtubes videos.

Bisan molili jud na sya diha----hmmmm, laylay sad ka da!

ayaw e lihis ang issue bai. tobaga sa nya inig homan nato ana istorya ta about anang favorite nga subject, luciferian. hehe. ganahan lagi kaayo ka ana brad?

Hheheh---wa jud ko ganahi ana brad! Pero kung ang imong tumong diri is to destroy Christianity then imong hinay-hinayon ug hilo ang tawo kay para isulod imong luciferian teachings, then ato sad respetaran na ug share. Para mayagyag ang kamatuoran.

ako ba gud ang naghimo ani nga thread? nagsabong naman mo daan diri sa wa pa ko mo apil ninyo. di lang ko mo dapig ninyo kay Faith Alone man gud ng inyoha w/c is para nako sayop. focus brad ha kay morag daghan na kaayo kag sipyat nga mga accusations.

Okay kung wala ka mouyon then pay lang ta ug respect. Lahi man gud brad ang issue sa mo-share ka sa kamatuoran ug mangdaut ka sa uban!

wa na koy mahimo kong mao nay imong pagsabot nga naka grasp nako tanan, kong gosto ka paghimo og laing thread tobagon ka nako didto. ok ka ana? basta ayaw lang pag tinapolan.

Daghan naman thread ana before brad pero i-close man gihapon kay hadlok man mo mayagyag. It’s either hatagan ug problema ang pc or i-mute, banned ang users. Di nalang ta maghisgot ana brad basta ai lang sad anang hugaw nga discussion.

focus lagi brad, di man Sin ang issue kay bisan ako motoo ko nga kong maghimo ka og bad deeds bad pod ang consequence ana. ang issue bai is the rejection of Jesus, kong di motoo ang tao ni Jesus ilabay sa impyerno? tsk tsk.

Then nganong motuo man mo ug bibliya brad kung supak ni sa inyoha nga teachings? Unsa diay ang bible sa inyoha, accesories lang? mao bitaw kadudahan kayo ang inyong pagka Christian kay daghan kayong mga teachings diha sa bible nga sukwahi kayo sa inyoha!

sayop ka brad. kanang Isaiah dakong sayop na. hehe. basaha ni bai...

then, ipatangtang na sa pari or santo papa ang book of Isaiah sa inyong bibliya! Dinhi nimo Makita brad kung unsa jud ka cunning ang yawa! Nganong karon nga mga panahuna gihinay-hinay naman ug daut mismo ang mga teachings diha sa bibliya nga mao kunuhay gi-claim nila nga Holy Book kaniadto! Possible nga sakto jud ni sya---
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[Turagsoy]

Thats foolishness!
Pasabot ba nga kung duna kay faith sa ginoo mawala ang imong diskarte sa kinabuhi? Mosamot hinuon ka kainspired brad kay nana kay wisdom.

undang daw sa imo trabaho brad then pangaji pirmi tanawn tana kung kaya ba nimo...we need both to survive...dili man ang Ginoo motrabaho para nimo..