K-12 Program by DepEd

[lodyl]

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Sad news, even savings will not save anyone when a country is heading towards socialism.... I'm not saying that saving is a bad idea, its just not enough... I am saddened by how many citizens willing to give in to socialist policies without asking the economic impact it will have in their lives... K-12 is a very very bad idea...

Sakto pud ka bai.. SAVING IN A "Deposit/Time Deposit Account" kay BAD jud na... unless, if you SAVE aka INVEST your EXTRA 10%-20% of your income sa Mutual Fund which has a bigger potential to overcome our inflation, then i think it's good enough...

[geo25]

OK ra man ni... mas prepared nuon ang student for college.

[bot_yok]

why not proceed with a 2 yrs vocational course (TESDA) instead of going thru a 2 years Senior Highschool in that they may acquire jobs after they graduated a 2yr vocational course.

[3nZ0y]

sorry sir kung wa ko garesearch ha? pasencya kaayo nimo...wa mn koy alamag anang mga inani gd...

OT: hahay di lng pd unta ta patakag yaw2x ky basin layo na kau ta sa tinuod

I’ll start with two at this point because I don’t want to overload my peewee bird brain: No. 1, "senior graduates will find it easier to find jobs". Now, that’s a bit of a stretch considering these high school graduates from the proposed K+12 basic education program will have to compete with an oversupply of college graduates who have difficulty finding jobs themselves.

Let me reiterate my point. Education ALONE should not be enough basis in accepting (or rejecting) applicants.

What applies to one person may not apply to the other.

And some gullible ones here thought DepEd's logic was fundamentally sound, but obviously those ducks are not in a row. Unless those jobs will just miraculously materialize to absorb the suddenly larger number of high school and college graduates! Or, we beef up OFW which, according to a press release, is going to downsize or halt the domestic help exports.

I might be gullible. But I was trying to point out the positive effects. I acknowledge there are negative ones but I personally think it is worth the try. Furthermore, I was only airing my opinion. And my opinion are just that-- what I think of the matter at hand. I am not claiming that what I believe in is TRUE and that you should believe it also. Exactly the reason why I am here-- to engage in a HEALTHY discussion.

OT: basa lng sd gamay sa mga previous post

I did. Unlike some of the people here, I am a responsible forumer. I gather necessary data and relevant information before posting. Again, still with all the limitations of time and resources.

@3nzoy
1) what is the assurance nga dili na isaka ang requirements sa pag sulod og trabaho? if dili nimo isaka ang requirements, then you are defeating the purpose of the said move? We are raising the Bar in education, yet lowering the bar in employment? asa man na nahitabo ang ingon ana? if naay 2 ka applicante, one with SHs, one kay HS grad ra asa man ang logical nga dawaton? parehas rani sa karon nga HS grad/College level vs College Grad nga nangapply og blue collar job.

What makes you say we are lowering the bar in employment? Actually, depende man sa work sad na. Kung naay usa ka agency nangita og janitor,unya naay graduate og 'bar tending' sa SHS, do you think mang-apply siya as a janitor? Please be specific.

As for the blue collar job, what if College grad og ComSci unya undergrad og Business ad (nga one sem na lang ang kuwang para maka graduate? hahaha...klaroha gud imo choice :P ). Asa imo dawaton?

2) Lisod na dawaton mga working students (like my cousin) bai. Put it this way, nig first year College (first sem) block sectioning man ka diba? but it is only on the first sem, sa 2nd sem Flexible na imo sched. mao to ang nakatabang sa ako cousin nga makasulod tungod sa iya work og School sched. sa Senior High parehas ba ka flexible ang schedule like sa college? maybe you can enlighten me on this kay nakaresearch man ka about DepEd's program.

Why man nga mag working pa siya if libre ang SHS?

3) i doubt a young adults will ever be ready. unsa may laban nila nga mismo karon lisod man ipangita og work.
BPO nalay pinakagusog & pinakadali sudlan nga trabaho karon (dako pag sweldo). even our govt, DepED & our dear country is not ready for this. we are behind our asian neighbors dili tungod sa ato educational system but because of the Government's lack of support (wa pay labot ang issues sa walay kamatayang Corruption, Smuggling, etc).

Here we go again. Government is at fault. Government this, government that, government., government, government. Yet, interestingly, we oppose ALMOST every action of our government (not that all of them are sensible, though): ban on fireworks, ban on bikini competition, RH bill, Divorce bill, K+12, Anti-smoking Law, among others.

Im not saying nga this IDEA is no good but IMO di ni bagay sa ato karon. Realistic lang ko, unsa man diay pagtuo nila sa ato?Public School ra nato paeskwelahon ang mga anak? so gusto sila nga magsalig ta sa Gov't permi? hahaha. we need GOOD PAYING jobs (at least P500/day) to support our family, not additional years at Public schools. Besides, di man parehas ang standards sa mga public schools. Maayo ta kung Pina U.P./SciHi/CNU ang tanan public schools, di man. Hahay, wa natay mahims. mga datu ray di maglisod ani (or mabulahan kay ang ilang mga anak nga paeskwelahon nila sa gawas di na magkuwang og credentials kay naa naman tay Senior High, tsk tsk tsk). Asa kaha nangiskwela ang mga anak sa mga Gov't officials? Public ba sad kaha? hmmm

I graduated from a public school. (I don't know with you.) I feel for the average individuals (for the lack of better word) who has to go through the same 'academic route' and not do very well when in fact they should have excelled better in technical/vocational courses.

I just believed that 'lain laing tawo, lain laing hilig ug talento...' Let them do what they want, excel in what they are good at and maximize their potential.

why not proceed with a 2 yrs vocational course (TESDA) instead of going thru a 2 years Senior Highschool in that they may acquire jobs after they graduated a 2yr vocational course.

It is pretty much the same, actually. Plus the conformance to international standards.

[lodyl]

Sa akoa lang na obserbahan ha, halos baya kasagaran kay they work to fulfill their passions whether in Photography,filmmaking, painting, etc bisan pa ug dili related sa course nila ang ilahang work...

[brian joshua]

Sa akoa lang na obserbahan ha, halos baya kasagaran kay they work to fulfill their passions whether in Photography,filmmaking, painting, etc bisan pa ug dili related sa course nila ang ilahang work...

mao ni saktong tubag zoy oh hehehe....

OT: @enzoy, mao lge wa ra ta gatagbo ayaw dayun syagit gd hehehe

[keymhart2003]

Dili ko uyon ani.. Way man kuno kita sauna sakto ramn lagi sa nakamahuan.. Ang problima ani eh developed. Ang nag tudlo ug ang ilang system dili kay apilon ang years sa pag skweyla sa mga bata...Nag problima amn gani ang ubang kabus sa four years sa highskoll.. unsa na kha six years.... Negusyo nasad ni aron dugang Bayronon sa skol....

[lodyl]

Dili ko uyon ani.. Way man kuno kita sauna sakto ramn lagi sa nakamahuan.. Ang problima ani eh developed. Ang nag tudlo ug ang ilang system dili kay apilon ang years sa pag skweyla sa mga bata...Nag problima amn gani ang ubang kabus sa four years sa highskoll.. unsa na kha six years.... Negusyo nasad ni aron dugang Bayronon sa skol....

Sa akoang opinion lang ha, basin unya ba ug naa "discrimination" nga mahitabo ani versus sa mga 4 year HS ug kaning mga K12 nga HS... kay basin ug maka ana unya ang 4year HS nga "mas bright/arangan" pa sila kay wala sila nagkinahanglan ug additional 2 years sa ilahang HS....

[brian joshua]

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I might be gullible. But I was trying to point out the positive effects. I acknowledge there are negative ones but I personally think it is worth the try. Furthermore, I was only airing my opinion. And my opinion are just that-- what I think of the matter at hand. I am not claiming that what I believe in is TRUE and that you should believe it also. Exactly the reason why I am here-- to engage in a HEALTHY discussion.

dli sd giapon ta kaingun ug worth a try ky my nlng na sa mga wa galisod or average, unya sa tibuok population nato, mas dghan ang marginalized ug below the line nga muna2x na intawn ug paiskwela sa ilang anak ma pun-an pa jd ug duha katuig...

sakto pd ka nga magamit ni sa kadtong galisod jd sa kawad-on para bg.o magcollege at least mkatrabaho clag tarong after senior high ug junior high, ang problema lge ani sd ky kung ikaw tag-iya sa companya, pili-on nmo ang high school graduate or ang college graduate? natural college graduate jd....mao alkansi giapon sa atong kahimtang dri sa pinas unya ayaw ko ingna nga itagak nlng na nmo sa call center nga naa na ra ba pd problema bahin aning overseas outsourcing..unya ang mga CC sd mangita pd rbag college level samot jd ni...

[Eve's Apple Project]

@ 3nzoy:
1) don't take me out of context bai. I didn't say they that Businesses are going to Lower their standards. ang ako giingon is impossible nga mo lower sila sa ila standards (or maintain it; hiring HS Grads for blue collar jobs) if the gov't is pushing our education standards Higher (Senior High). So meaning, those less fortunate/pordoy nga HS grads maglisod na og compete sa mga SHS grads (wa pay labot ang College grads/Undergrads ani ha). Take a look around bai, job market/oppotunity is down. pila ka companya ang nasira? daghan na dba? while OFW numbers are increasing every year. Imagina, College grad nato, DH ra sa HK, why is that? tungod walay work nga tarong sa ato.

2) Libre lagi ang SHS sa Public bai (how bout kadtong tua sa Private?).. so you want him to suffer 2 years more driving trisikad/magconductor? DI man libre ang bawn sa SHS bai. wa may libre kaon didto. imagine 2 years more of your life wasted on just preparing yourself for college (without assurance nga makakita ka og work after). People like my cousin already has their views on where/what they want to do in college. Maturity is not measured by age bai, it is the exposure & acceptance of one's reality (Medyo OT but connected gihapon). He just want to have a better life by getting a decent job (in his case, para mahimong police).

3) Sorry bai, but we deserve better from the gov't because we are the TAX PAYERS. you can say what you want but that still holds. I don't think people complained kadtong pag sulod sa BPO, sa MEPZ, Shipbuilding sa Toledo, etc. . Nobody will complain if you give them decent paying jobs inside pinas bai (food in their mouths) labi na karon nga hinay ang job market. We complain dili tungod lang kay gusto ta, it's because we are tired of all our political drama. ang mga solutions nga ilang gibuhat wala mo connect sa problema nga atong giatubang. Tan-awa ragud, BPO is being targeted sa laing thread pero ang ato focus kay Anti-boso, K-12, etc. that is the reason i complain,you may have yours too.

3) i graduated my ELEM Education sa public sad bai. Barely Private HS, Lucky enough mga sponsored ko sa ako Tito/Tita. So i know how hard it is for an ordinary or less fortunate student (10 pesos/day bawn nako dla plete yr1996-1999). I landed my first job a week after HS graduation (using my talent & skills i learned from HS) because i want to support myself (just like my cousin). I was still an Undergrad when i landed a Dream Job outside pinas bai (this was 6 years ago). My company hired filipinos (like myself & 3 others) because we are adaptable, & able to do the task( sometimes even better) without questions (or rarely asks) plus cheaper than hiring other counterparts. Im not saying nga tanan company parehas sa ako will hire pinoys because of it, but who's to say it will increase ones naa natay K12? if you are a college grad sa pinas & you work/apply work outside (singapore, Dubai, HK etc) does it matter nga kulang og 2 years ang educational system nato? tell that to the engineers in the Middle east, Caregivers in the west, Seamens, etc. I think it will only matter if you want to STUDY or take up masteral sa gawas sa nasod (meaning datu ka og pamilya, kinsa man na sila?). if K-12 will solve Job problem sa pinas, then we should be thankful. Well, we have 20 years to see it if this works anyway.