MERGED: MILF-GRP Peace Process, Related Issues and Developments

[dodong69]

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ni ingon ku na pasagdan? dont conjure words into my mouth.... you have discredited yourself as a participant in this intellectual discussion.... pathetic.

The ramifications of a destabilized economy is far and wide.. war is the greatest economic suicide any nation can do.... why? simple.... you inves billions in infra and business, you get roi after many years.... you invest hundreds of billions in war, you get 0 ROI if you're lucky... at worst, you'll be indebted to world bankers... Philippines in its current economic development, is lacking in resources to fully implement an effective war... Bombs cost more than 200T per piece.... multiply that by the thousands... you can inch your way into understanding the staggering cost war can suck from our pockets... War is a negative investment... it is paid by the lives of soldiers, and the savings of the civilians from the entire country.... Government reserves will be drained and will be forced to increase taxes and inflate money supply just to sustain a war.... inflation decreases purchasing power of the people, and compounded by increase taxes, people would feel their lives getting harder and harder..... in this kind of scenario, several forces can use propaganda to encourage people to revolt and change the the government.... NPA for example has a lot of propaganda arms scattered in every province...

note: eraps campaign cost hundreds of billions for a couple months of war.... and was far from eradicating the abu sayyaf and milf....

pathetic ur ass... trying hard to be mogul??

[emow]

pathetic ur ass... trying hard to be mogul??

OT: spare me the ad hominem, what you have just posted has absolutely no argumentative value and totally irrelevant to the topic at hand... piece of advice, grow up....

[gareb]

Useless ra gihapon ang substate. Maski pila pa ka substate ang ihatag sa MILF, the bangsamoro people will never achieve their aspirations.. As what Adel Tamano said, "A substate solution is NOT a guarantee for peace and economic stability in mindanao."

Tamano was right, it is not a guarantee. the solution is even more painstakingly tedious: nation-building. this is on how a society strengthens its institutions (rule of law, democracy and equality, representation, public accountability, etc.).

there is a deeper problem in the Bangsamoro nation that cannot be addressed solely by granting sovereignty, sub-state status, or autonomy. these are merely political solutions to a socio-economic as well as a socio-political problem.

Nindot na unta ang diskurso ni Robert Reyes until you reach 3:58 till the end of the video.. That's a BIG LIE, maybe out of the father's ignorance about mindanao. The reasoning that bangsamoro people lack representation in the government is a BIG LIE..

i have to agree with Fr. Reyes, though. but this again lies on one's definition of representation. if one defines it as placing a Moro from Maguindanao, Lanao, Sulu or where else in the halls of Congress, most definitely there is representation.

but when you define it as representing the aspirations and the interests of the people whom it is suppose to speak on behalf of, then we have a problem. the Ampatuans of Maguindanao, it seems, are not an exception to the rule, this being reinforced by the corrupt ARMM of the past where it became the "patronage arm" of Manila to control Bangsamoro politics, get votes by coddling would-be warlord-politicians, using their private armies against another Bangsamoro armed uprising. the ARMM was a poor solution to a problem which in turn lead to bigger problems.

come to think of it, sans armed uprisings, doesn't the rest of the country have the same problems as well: warlord politicians and misrepresentation by our leaders?

lisod jud ni kay di jud na sila moundang hantod di nila makuha ila gusto

but have we consulted history and learned why they are asking what they are asking?

They want a substate,then the whole mindanao,the whole pinas,or the whole world! Kapoy! Hutda na sila or pleteha padung malaysia!

three points:

• it's a baseless accusation of what they want
• which makes it an invalid reason to wage war
• and an appalling reason to commit genocide.

[dodong69]

@gareb & @emow may i ask you if you have any good solution on this matter?
lets see if our fellow istroyans LIKES IT.. kapoy sige tag lalis nya same thing no concrete solutions...
may i ask you also if you're from mindanao?

[gareb]

@gareb & @emow may i ask you if you have any good solution on this matter?
lets see if our fellow istroyans LIKES IT.. kapoy sige tag lalis nya same thing no concrete solutions...
may i ask you also if you're from mindanao?

kindly read my previous posts on this thread. the answers to your questions are all there.

[hulagway]

we are talking about the proper allocation of resources. nobody can argue the usefulness of the AFP in protecting the state (although one can argues on its methods), and nobody can argue that there are certain wars that we have to fight. the question now is, "is this war necessary?"

if it’s the only way to attain peace then yes its necessary. Dapat atong ipakita sa ilaha nga ang Mindanao is part of the Philippines, and ang ilang gusto nga mg independent state dili na pwde ug Final na.

the effectiveness of the peace talks in not measured by how many years it has taken but on how the compromises and agreements are reached and sincerely enforced. only those who cannot understand the depth of the historic problem of Mindanao can ever think that the issue can be resolved in a few months or years.

peace talk should be enforced based on agreement’s “Tama” . And that was also the reason why SALAMAT created MILF because they don’t like the agreement done by MNLF and our Government. That’s why after MNLF we are now talking to MILF for peace but then again naa napud breakaway group kay gusto jud nila ug independent state maski kibaw sila nga dili na pwde ihatag sa government. in effect useless ang atong pag peace talk sa ilaha..

Ug usa pa ang gitawag nila nga PINTAKASI nga ikaw mismo ni confirm nga indeed nahitabo na ug syempre mo laban jud na sila sa ilang nga relatives. Isa ni sa rason ngano dili jud unta dapat makig peace talk sa MILF coz they are protecting abu sayyaf and other kidnap for ransom group operating in those area. Proven nana by our men on the ground.
For me, dili sila sincere sa peace talk sila mismo ang ng pa dugay sa peace diha..

you can supply the figures, if you want. it would also be better if we also know how to classify these skirmishes; a violation of ceasefire agreements? on hand offering conciliation while the other is holding a dagger? .

Walay sincerity sa side sa MILF. Take the case katong mga marines nga g ambush the same location nga g ambush pud ang katong nga special forces recently.
And still we want peace talk kay mahal ang nga bala? I beg to disagree.

[butitoy]

that's why its gud to divide power

1 president
1 vice presidents each for Luz Vi Min
1 per region-regional senators.

aron makita ang katag..

and not almost all senators are from north

[Gjhone]

peace proccess is useless.....i will go for all out war!

[butitoy]

peace proccess is useless.....i will go for all out war!

i agree with you.

those bastards don't want peace anyways.

they're just ruthless bandits and barbarians..

at these modern times..

they're not needed anymore

[Sand Man]

peace proccess is useless.....i will go for all out war!

i agree with you...

Are you guys from the areas that will be affected?