Characteristics of a True Christian? (Born Again Christian)

[ketllac]

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@wengIA

OT: wala may ngalan ang grupo sa early christians Weng pero sure ang recorded history nga kanang lineage from early Christians connectado na sa Catholic group ug orthodox christians. nahitabo lang nang pangalang Catholic sa time nga kinahanglang i-separate ang heretics (like gnosticism) sa mga tinuod nga Christiano. ug ang kanang tinoud nga Christiano mao ng ginganlag Catholic. basically early Christians and Catholics are the same. dili ni angay supakon nga fact sa mga BA from protestant group kay mismo si Luther ni admit ani.

BTW sa laing bahin makonsidera ba kong born again nga still under ko sa leadership sa POPE?

[redhorse1L]

Pwede man daw ma-born again ug maluwas ang Katoliko, provided:

1. Dili na mangumpisal
2. Dili na mokalawat
3. Tangtangon mga sacred images sa balay

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99999. Dili na manguros.. etc.. etc..

[jaegermeister08]

iya sab ng sabaw. naa jd tingay n cyay deprencya nya nasubrahan guru. Ginoo ray nka hebaw n unsa jd n cya

[seagull]

in my opinion
ang born again christian dili usa ra nah tnan..
ang born again daghan ug sect..
bsan ug born again pareho ang duha ka taw, pero dili cla pareho ug sect, naay cla beliefs ug mga standing mga contradicts
kung unsa ila point of view sa usa ka certain topic, maglahe..
pero naa sai mga sect nga d sme keu cla ug standing almost tnan nga aspect, pero born again christian japon..
ang common sa born again christian is.. if hav not mistaken is baptism in water.. see acts 2:38, mat. 3:13-16

correct me f u knw im wrong

[jaegermeister08]

basin didtu n cyas kolto n kiboloy maong nayabag kay ginoo sad ra b kono nas kiboloy ingon cyap

[tokidoki_v2.0]

pero pasabta kuno ko anang mga miyembro ninyo na mag tago2x ug inom ug yosi kung naa mo? (yes, i know BAs who are like that)

naa pa gani usa lost her job due to misappropriation of funds. she had a gambling habit.

wala gyud ni tubaga ai. ahem nalang.

usa pa, within your group this is frowned upon (maningarilyo, inom, sugal). but if these people were seen in the eyes of another belief, you protect these "sinful" individuals or turn a blind eye.

so does that mean "loose" ra diay inyo morals kai gitolerate ni?

[KlaytoN]

wala gyud ni tubaga ai. ahem nalang.

usa pa, within your group this is frowned upon (maningarilyo, inom, sugal). but if these people were seen in the eyes of another belief, you protect these "sinful" individuals or turn a blind eye.

so does that mean "loose" ra diay inyo morals kai gitolerate ni?

Ang mga born again dili immune sa temptation and sin. I tell you in my 20 years with the born again movement, tanan scandalo nakita na nako. Wala man tingali na nila gi tolerate bro. Kay kung gi tolerate pa na nila, then there's no reason to hide their vices diba? Nganong tago-taguon pa man kung kung ok ra diay sa church leadership.

[tokidoki_v2.0]

^^ this answers only part of my concern. what about the part where if someone outside your church brings it up you defend them to the death even if there vices are out there in the open?

kapila na na nako gi secreto ug bring up sa mga religious leaders ninyo pero they choose to turn a blind eye to it. ang tubag niya "si christo lang bahala". yet, said members continue to be in their gatherings and no changes in behavior.

[yanong_banikanhon]

ang tubag niya "si christo lang bahala". yet, said members continue to be in their gatherings and no changes in behavior.

Siguro tungod kay dili na man kinahanglan usbon ang behavior, bro. Kay na-born again na man lagi 'kuno' sila, so automatic mga 'living saints' na sila.

100% assurance of salvation - I guess mao ning doctrinaha ang hinungdan nganong 'lukewarm' ang ilang pagtagad sa mga member nga sa ilang tan-aw dili na nila mapuslan (sama adtong member nga gihisgutan ni TS). Human naman gud sila na-born again, so saved na gyud sila. Dili na relevant kun motabang sa isigkatawo o dili because even bad acts/vices cannot undo their individual salvation. Once saved, forever saved. Mao na ilang motto.

[tokidoki_v2.0]

^^ this goes in line with another question i once asked a BA. If a serial killer where to convert to BA before his execution would that bring him to heaven. Their answer was "yes". I find that very disturbing.