***CONSTANTINE and the CHURCH HISTORY!!!

[yanong_banikanhon]

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Also the apocrypha was never part of the OT and the NT while the catholic bible mixes it with the OT. ...The maccabees for example, was written by a group of Jewish rebels

Gibaligtad na nuon. Wa na gyud kay laing mahimo gawas sa pagtuis2x sa kamatuoran?

Gikan mismo sa world's trusted online encyclopedia:

Apocrypha, according to Merriam-Webster Dictionary, means "books included in the Septuagint and Vulgate but excluded from the Jewish and Protestant canons of the Old Testament.

src: Apocrypha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Di ba klaro kaayo nga ang bibliya sa mga Hudiyo ug mga protestant walay apocrypha, unya ang bibliya sa mga early christians (Septuagint and Vulgate) duna? Kanang mga bible nga walay Books of Maccabees, gi-pattern na sa bible sa mga Hudiyo.

Kinsa may angay natong tuohan, kadtong bibliya nga gikan sa mga tawong ni-protesta sa matuod nga simbahan nga gitukod ni kristo ug mga tawong nagpalansang kaniya

O

kadtong bibliya nga gikan sa mga early christians?

[ketllac]

@kenshiro

I was waiting for you to say this. There are obvious reasons why.

The question is very simple kenshiro " Who gave Luther the authority to remove the book?" no need to use the "power" of copy and paste. What you did is plainly borrowing the argument from Fundamental Evangelistic Association instead of giving counter arguments. OK lemme entertain this broad topic. However we will refute it by just getting the whole idea only since apocryphal topic is broad.

The canonicity of the bible has already established before Luther decided to removed the seven books . In fact the whole Christian world accepted this, until just a few centuries ago. Why Luther decided to remove the books when the bible tells us that every Scripture passage is inspired by God. All of them are useful for teaching, pointing out errors, correcting people, and training them for a life that has God's approval." Why there was a need to remove the books when the seven books and the verse presented in 2 Tim 3:16 had been in harmony with each other before Luther decided to removed it .

What you have presented were just contradictions of the book from the accepted ones and has nothing to do with authority. and anyone of us with our own private interpretation and the power to reason out can absolutely find any contradictions .However the big question here is, do we have higher authority than the Church? bisan karon sa ka limitado sa akong huna huna kumpara sa simbahan nga authority maka kita ko ug contradiction using my own private interpretation and selfish motivation. Pwede ko mag buhat simbahan kenshiro nganlang Ketllac's rebellion towards Catholicism?

NOw consider this. 1 Timothy 3:15 explains that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. "The pillar and foundation of truth" refers only to "the church" in that sentence. In this case we can say that the church is the only authority not a single individual but it is a body or community. At the time Luther tried to remove it, did Luther respect the authority of the church as the pillar and the foundation of truth? Can you consider him as a church before protestant movement was established?

Did Luther respect authority? let us consult the bible Hebrews 13:17 'Obey your leaders and submit to them' Did Luther obey his leaders and his vows? let us consult the bible again in Revelation 22:18 'For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.' Unsa man nang curse ug plague ? tan awa ang inyong pag ka watak watak.

No matter what trickery does evil to mix truth with error it can't touch the real truth.
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
John 8:32

OK. sa kadaghan ninyo ron nga sekta nga ang pag mugna ug church mura na ug TREE PLANTING, Kinsa man sa inyo ang naay truth. Na kung mo claim ka atakihon gyud ka ni Santopaps. You will taste your own medicine..

You are generalizing again.

Asa imong logic do? the word most nga akong gigamit sa sentece is not equivalent sa meaning sa word nga all hehehehe. YOu can't consider it as a sweeping generalization.

who do think has more grandous church buildings.
You do know there are coca cola religions right?

walay problema ang money making kay dili man pinugsanay 10 %.
Tinuod nga dakog kwarta ang simbahan. kay kung walay kwarta kay dugay ra nang mapapas sa history. same goes to your church. Pero ang naka depresensa lang kay most of the priets naay vow of poverty, chastity, ug obedience. Whereas sa inyo pwede gamiton sa pag buhig anak pag eskwelag anak, pag buhig daghan asawa, ug as a source of livelihood. sa amoa for charity programs ra and various religious ministries. Kita ang deperensya?

More importantly Do you know why?

bai ikaw wa kabalo diay kay ang impostor nga si Thomas Dangerfield ug George Lani nga nihatag ug false info.
source: Thomas Dangerfield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you know a lot of protestant denomination churches today are corrupted?

Besides ni angkon na gyud ka nga corrupted ang protestant.hehehhe. can you cosider your church biblical? nga ang bible ni ingon " You are Peter, and I can guarantee that on this rock I will build my church. And the gates of hell will not overpower it."

Granting without accepting nga makaya ra man diay ug spy which turned out to be an impersonator , so dili sya authentic nga church kay kayahon raman ug spy. kung authentic pa ang protestant churches bisan pa ang kalayo sa impyerno dili maka corrupt. hehehhehe. matud pa ni santopaps...pag bag o mo oi..

[Kenshiro]

So ang imong rang pundok maoy dili corrupt? Kanang pundok ni dcuenco corrupted pud diay na nga pareha ra man ang inyong basis - private interpretation of the bible inubanan sa prayer for guidance?

Daghan mang christian denominations nga matud nimo corrupted even if they are following the bible alone (sola scriptura).

Sa ato pa, dili diay enough nga mangayo lang og guidance sa holy spirit kay daghan mang tinuoray nangayo og guidance pero nagkasumpakiay man ang ilang interpretation sa nakasulat sa bibliya?

You keep on saying sola scriptura, but do you really believe and follow the scripture alone? Especially the ten commandments? The eternal commandment? Because surprisingly there are a lot of denomination failed on this criteria alone.
If you do then I respect your religion. I will let you find out the truth yourself.

@ ketllac: sagdi lang na sila kay pride ra nang ilaha...wala gani na sila kabalo unsay konabuhi sa ilang founder..basta sure ta nga ang Catholic Ginoo mismo ang nag tukod ug dili si kinsang tawhana lang...

supposed Bible alone is the source of truth., without catholic church, can the Bible be exist as it is right now? and if it exist, do you have proof of authenticity? all of you knew that the authentic original compiled books were in Vatican the Latin vulgate..is there any non catholic can opposed on that? ug naa then pakitai mi ug proof nga ang inyo maoy sakto...then ug sakto mo sa pag interpret sa Bible kay nakatukod man mo ug inyoha, nasayop diay si saint jerome pag translate ana kay kami naman nuon ang sayup karun nga maoy nagcompile ug nagtranslate from Hebrew, Aramaic and greek to latin..

LInks below will help other religion to know ug sakto ba sila:
My Challenge to Christians
the church or the Bible?-> Douay-Rheims Bible Online, The Church Or The Bible
The One True Church -> Douay-Rheims Bible Online, The One True Church
Against the reformer-> Douay-Rheims Bible Online, Against The Reformers

We interpret and use the law of God as our basis.
You change the very eternal law of God through your own authority above God.
It would "think to change times and laws." Daniel 7:25.
Although you compiled the Bible but you contradicted the Bible.
You contradicted the sabbath law and committed murder, committed blasphemous practices against God, and do this consistently.

[Kenshiro]

continued...........
Roman Catholic Confessions

Roman Catholic Confessions
Catholic Encyclopedia Vol. 4 pg 153
"The Church...after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the third commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day."
"But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away - like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair." The Faith of Millions

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

"Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

“If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.” Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.
Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About (1927), p. 136.

Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday.... Now the Church ... instituted, by God's authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday.
“The observance of Sunday by the Protestants is homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the [Catholic] Church.” Monsignor Louis Segur, ‘Plain Talk about the Protestantism of Today’, p. 213.

What Important Question Does the Papacy Ask Protestants?
Protestants have repeatedly asked the papacy, ""How could you dare to change God's law?"" But the question posed to Protestants by the Catholic church is even more penetrating.

Here it is officially: ""You will tell me that Saturday was the Jewish Sabbath, but that the Christian Sabbath has been changed to Sunday. Changed! but by whom? Who has authority to change an express commandment of Almighty God? When God has spoken and said, Thou shalt keep holy the seventh day, who shall dare to say, Nay, thou mayest work and do all manner of worldly business on the seventh day; but thou shalt keep holy the first day in its stead?

This is a most important question, which I know not how you can answer. You are a Protestant, and you profess to go by the Bible and the Bible only; and yet in so important a matter as the observance of one day in seven as a holy day, you go against the plain letter of the Bible, and put another day in the place of that day which the Bible has commanded.
The command to keep holy the seventh day is one of the ten commandments; you believe that the other nine are still binding; who gave you authority to tamper with the fourth? If you are consistent with your own principles, if you really follow the Bible and the Bible only, you ought to be able to produce some portion of the New Testament in which this fourth commandment is expressly altered."" *Library of Christian Doctrine: Why Don't You Keep Holy the Sabbath-Day? (London: Burns and Oates, Ltd.), pp. 3, 4.
''I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says, No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church." Priest Thomas Enright, C.S.S.R., February 18, 1884, Printed in the American Sentinel, a New York Roman Catholic journal in June 1893, p. 173.

T. Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, Feb. 18,1884.
"There is but one church on the face of the earth which has the power, or claims power, to make laws binding on the conscience, binding before God, binding under penalty of hell-fire. For instance, the institution of Sunday. What right has any other church to keep this day? You answer by virtue of the third commandment (the papacy did away with the 2nd regarding the worship of graven images, and called the 4th the 3rd), which says 'Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.' But Sunday is not the Sabbath. Any schoolboy knows that Sunday is the first day of the week. I have repeatedly offered one thousand dollars to anyone who will prove by the Bible alone that Sunday is the day we are bound to keep, and no one has called for the money. It was the holy Catholic Church that changed the day of rest from Saturday, the seventh day, to Sunday, the first day of the week." - T. Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture delivered in 1893.

''Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical power and authority in religious matters.'' C. F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons, in answer to a letter regarding the change of the Sabbath, November 11, 1895.

“Tradition, not Scripture, is the rock on which the church of Jesus Christ is built.” Adrien Nampon, Catholic Doctrine as Defined by the Council of Trent, p. 157

"The Pope is of so great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine law". The pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts a vicegerent of God upon earth" Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, art. Papa, II, Vol. VI, p. 29.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
"The leader of the Catholic church is defined by the faith as the Vicar of Jesus Christ (and is accepted as such by believers). The Pope is considered the man on earth who "takes the place" of the Second Person of the omnipotent God of the Trinity." John Paul II, Crossing the Threshold of Hope, p. 3, 1994

[Kenshiro]

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"...pastoral intuition suggested to the Church the christianization of the notion of Sunday as "the day of the sun", which was the Roman name for the day and which is retained in some modern languages.(29) This was in order to draw the faithful away from the seduction of cults which worshipped the sun, and to direct the celebration of the day to Christ, humanity's true "sun"." John Paul II, Dies Domini, 27. The day of Christ-Light, 1998 (Prominent protestant leaders agree with this statement - See above for a statement by Dr. E. T. Hiscox, author of the ‘Baptist Manual’)

"The Sun was a foremost god with heathen-dom…The sun has worshippers at this hour in Persia and other lands…. There is, in truth, something royal, kingly about the sun, making it a fit emblem of Jesus, the Sun of Justice. Hence the church in these countries would seem to have said, to 'Keep that old pagan name [Sunday]. It shall remain consecrated, sanctified.' And thus the pagan Sunday, dedicated to Balder, became the Christian Sunday, sacred to Jesus." William Gildea, Doctor of Divinity, The Catholic World, March, 1894, p. 809

"The retention of the old pagan name of Dies Solis, for Sunday is, in a great measure, owing to the union of pagan and Christian sentiment with which the first day of the week was recommended by Constantine to his subjects - pagan and Christian alike - as the 'venerable' day of the sun."" Arthur P. Stanley, History of the Eastern Church, p. 184

"When St. Paul repudiated the works of the law, he was not thinking of the Ten Commandments, which are as unchangeable as God Himself is, which God could not change and still remain the infinitely holy God."-Our Sunday Visitor, Oct. 7, I951.

"Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holydays?
Answer: By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church." Henry Tuberville, An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine (1833 approbation), p.58 (Same statement in Manual of Christian Doctrine, ed. by Daniel Ferris [1916 ed.], p.67)

"Sunday is a Catholic institution, and... can be defended only on Catholic principles.... From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first." Catholic Press, Aug. 25, 1900
"The Sabbath was Saturday, not Sunday. The Church altered the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of Sunday. Protestants must be rather puzzled by the keeping of Sunday when God distinctly said, 'Keep holy the Sabbath Day.' The word Sunday does not come anywhere in the Bible, so, without knowing it they are obeying the authority of the Catholic Church." Canon Cafferata, The Catechism Explained, p. 89.

''Reason and sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible.'' John Cardinal Gibbons, The Catholic Mirror, December 23, 1893.

James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of our Fathers, 88th ed., pp. 89.
But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed., p. 174.
Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her - she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural
authority.
John Laux, A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies (1
936), vol. 1, P. 51.

Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined the Sunday as the day of worship in the New Law, that He Himself has explicitly substituted the Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is now entirely abandoned. It is now commonly held that God simply gave His Church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as Holy Days. The Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days as holy days.
James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), in a signed letter.

Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day - Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day? I answer no!
Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons

The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.

The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.

Catholic Virginian Oct. 3, 1947, p. 9, art. "To Tell You the Truth."
For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible.

Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957), p. 50.

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."
Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society (1975), Chicago,
Illinois.

Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:
1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.
2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws." It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible.

[yanong_banikanhon]

Pwerte jung kuyawa kung mu ingon nga bible AND a church or a certain person like the pope. What if ma sayop na nga church or particular person nga tawo ra gud na sila.

So nasayop lugar ang bible kay ang bible mismo nag-ingon man nga ang church mao ang pillar and foundation of truth?

Nasayop lugar ang bible sa pagsulat ani?

1 Tim 3:15
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

Naa ba kay mabasa sa bible nga nag-ingon nga ang bible ALONE is the pillar of truth? Kung wala, ikaw mismo ni-contradict sa imong kaugalingong pagtuo.

[Kenshiro]

@kenshiro



The question is very simple kenshiro " Who gave Luther the authority to remove the book?" no need to use the "power" of copy and paste. What you did is plainly borrowing the argument from Fundamental Evangelistic Association instead of giving counter arguments. OK lemme entertain this broad topic. However we will refute it by just getting the whole idea only since apocryphal topic is broad.

The canonicity of the bible has already established before Luther decided to removed the seven books . In fact the whole Christian world accepted this, until just a few centuries ago. Why Luther decided to remove the books when the bible tells us that every Scripture passage is inspired by God. All of them are useful for teaching, pointing out errors, correcting people, and training them for a life that has God's approval." Why there was a need to remove the books when the seven books and the verse presented in 2 Tim 3:16 had been in harmony with each other before Luther decided to removed it .

What you have presented were just contradictions of the book from the accepted ones and has nothing to do with authority. and anyone of us with our own private interpretation and the power to reason out can absolutely find any contradictions .However the big question here is, do we have higher authority than the Church? bisan karon sa ka limitado sa akong huna huna kumpara sa simbahan nga authority maka kita ko ug contradiction using my own private interpretation and selfish motivation. Pwede ko mag buhat simbahan kenshiro nganlang Ketllac's rebellion towards Catholicism?

NOw consider this. 1 Timothy 3:15 explains that the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. "The pillar and foundation of truth" refers only to "the church" in that sentence. In this case we can say that the church is the only authority not a single individual but it is a body or community. At the time Luther tried to remove it, did Luther respect the authority of the church as the pillar and the foundation of truth? Can you consider him as a church before protestant movement was established?

Did Luther respect authority? let us consult the bible Hebrews 13:17 'Obey your leaders and submit to them' Did Luther obey his leaders and his vows? let us consult the bible again in Revelation 22:18 'For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.' Unsa man nang curse ug plague ? tan awa ang inyong pag ka watak watak.



OK. sa kadaghan ninyo ron nga sekta nga ang pag mugna ug church mura na ug TREE PLANTING, Kinsa man sa inyo ang naay truth. Na kung mo claim ka atakihon gyud ka ni Santopaps. You will taste your own medicine..



Asa imong logic do? most nga akong gigamit sa sentece is not equivalent sa meaning sa word nga all hehehehe. YOu can't consider it as a sweeping generalization.





walay problema ang money making kay dili man pinugsanay 10 %.
Tinuod nga dakog kwarta ang simbahan. kay kung walay kwarta kay dugay ra nang mapapas sa history. same goes to your church. Pero ang naka depresensa lang kay most of the priets naay vow of poverty, chastity, ug obedience. Whereas sa inyo pwede gamiton sa pag buhig anak pag eskwelag anak, pag buhig daghan asawa, ug as a source of livelihood. sa amoa for charity programs ra and various religious ministries. Kita ang deperensya?



bai ikaw wa kabalo diay kay ang impostor nga si Thomas Dangerfield ug George Lani nga nihatag ug false info.
source: Thomas Dangerfield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Besides ni angkon na gyud ka nga corrupted ang protestant.hehehhe. can you cosider your church biblical? nga ang bible ni ingon " You are Peter, and I can guarantee that on this rock I will build my church. And the gates of hell will not overpower it."

Grantng without accepting nga makaya ra man diay ug spy which turned out to be an impersonator , so dili sya authentic nga church kay kayahon raman ug spy. kung authentic pa ang protestant churches bisan pa ang kalayo sa impyerno dili maka corrupt. hehehhehe. matud pa ni santopaps...pag bag o mo i..

Wow you spew a lot of nonsense. a lot of words with totally no meaning or even fallacy.
Again we act with reason not blind obedience to the Pope.

walay problema ang money making kay dili man pinugsanay 10 %.
Tinuod nga dakog kwarta ang simbahan. kay kung walay kwarta kay dugay ra nang mapapas sa history. same goes to your church. Pero ang naka depresensa lang kay most of the priets naay vow of poverty, chastity, ug obedience. Whereas sa inyo pwede gamiton sa pag buhig anak pag eskwelag anak, pag buhig daghan asawa, ug as a source of livelihood. sa amoa for charity programs ra and various religious ministries. Kita ang deperensya?

Wow pinugsanay diay amo? I didn't gave contribution or went to my church over 2 years I didn't give a single cent.

Did Luther respect authority? let us consult the bible Hebrews 13:17 'Obey your leaders and submit to them' Did Luther obey his leaders and his vows? let us consult the bible again in Revelation 22:18 'For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.' Unsa man nang curse ug plague ? tan awa ang inyong pag ka watak watak.

This is the thing you value more blind obedience than logic and reason. The bible encourages us to use our minds.

"Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool. Isaiah 1:18

Test everything. Hold on to the good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21

the Apocypha was not included for very obvious reasons. Your only reason on contending these reasons is that we do not follow the catholic church so should we blindly obey your church devoid of reason and logic?

Thomas Dangerfield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We have the evidence from confessions from the catholic priest themselves no need for a person to give us false info. History tells us about the inquisition and prophecy.
I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished.
Revelation 17:6

[Kenshiro]

Did Luther respect authority? let us consult the bible Hebrews 13:17 'Obey your leaders and submit to them' Did Luther obey his leaders and his vows? let us consult the bible again in Revelation 22:18 'For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.' Unsa man nang curse ug plague tan awa ang inyong pag ka watak watak.

This is true Unity on the true church of Christ

Word-Based Unity
"And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them, that they may be one, even as we are one (John 17:22)."

This is not unity of the world through compromise and tolerance. Rather, Jesus advocated unity in His Word:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword (Matthew 10:34)."

Jesus did not condone physical violence, so the sword He had in mind was “the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God” (Ephesians 6:17). The spiritual battle to be fought is to be the battle against the devil. The battle is for our salvation.

It is the devil's desire to ensure that we never see heaven. The Bible calls him the father of lies. He is the designer of deception. If we don't understand the Word rightly, we can fall into the devil's snares. He has multiple paths to destruction. Many of the paths look good and safe, otherwise we would never go down them. Satan doesn't care if we go to church or even if we claim to be Christian.

Even Christians can be deceived. There are many Christians who are Christians in name only whose lives belie their declaration and who are as deceived as the one that doesn't know God.

Take heed that no man deceive you...For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect (Matthew 24:4,24).

The Word is our sword against the devil. With it we can be fortified and strengthened to withstand him. When we read the Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to lead us as we read, and have a sincere heart that is willing to be changed by the Word we read, then we are walking in the path that leads towards eternal life. Read some tips on studying the Scriptures

But if the Word is being discarded, ignored, belittled, or undermined, or even if we pick and choose only the things in the Bible we like to read and want the words to say what we want them to say, our defense against the wiles of the devil is jeopardized. With this in mind, we can take a fresh look at Christ’s prayer for unity. Jesus is clearly not praying for world unity but for Word-based unity:

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest Me out of the world; thine they were, and thou gavest them Me; and they have kept thy word. I pray for them. I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given Me, for they are thine. I have given them thy Word, and the world hath hated them because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth. Thy Word is truth (John 17:6, 9, 14, 17 ).

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is beautifully simple, but it does require that we surrender our hearts to His sanctifying power. There can only be one Jesus and He is the Word made flesh. The true can only be separated from the false on the basis of the Word.

Because the Bible is the key ingredient to true unity, this unity will also produce results that are in line with Biblical truths:

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for the blessed hope, and the glorious appearance of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ; Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works (Titus 2:11-14).

God wants to use His people. But this requires us to do more than believe in Him. We need to earnestly confess our sins and come up to the standard of the Word without compromising to the standards of the world. Let us follow Christ's example.

As we unite in humility and meekness, where there are wrongs these will need to be corrected. While we support and sustain each other, we will be able to deal with the erring in a gentle manner (Ephesians 4:15). God can and will use an obedient community of believers that live up to the light that He has given them—those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus (Revelation 12:7).

When God first called Paul to follow Him, He led Him to the Church to be taught. God does not make us figure life and ministry out alone, but wants us all to be involved in a community of believers who love the truth.

True Christian unity is Word-based. Jesus prayed, “I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world…Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth” (John 17:14,17). True unity is not about emotions and reckless inclusion, but is based on the Bible alone, which means that sometimes a Bible only attitude will cause friction. Those that prefer a smorgasbord religion, where they pick and choose beliefs that suit their comfort level or their personal agendas will not want a Sola Scriptura basis. This is often manifested as disdain, mockery, or hatred towards those striving to make their lives in line with what they find in the Word of God.

In light of this, how are we to interpret the drive towards Christian unity in the ecumenical movement and the wider goal of religions culminating in one world religion? Can all religions really be one? If every religion believes whatever they want, that directly affects the existence of truth. They can't all be true, can they? If so, then truth is just an opinion and nothing more.

source: True Unity | True Christian Word-based Unity

Unity is not always Good even Satan himself is also a uniter:
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Revelation 17:1

The evidence is overwhelming

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@kenshiro

sa ka daghan sa imong gi pang copy and paste? sa title o summary palang daan sa source nga web site nga imong gihatag ,yabo na daan imo argumento? The Bible is the key ingredient to true unity. Nahitabo ni nga mura na man ron ug uhong nga nisulpot sa kadaghan sa protestants ug naa ba ang unity matod pa sa title.

[Kenshiro]

@kenshiro

sa ka daghan sa imong gi pang copy and paste? sa title o summary palang daan sa source nga web site nga imong gihatag ,yabo na daan imo argumento? The Bible is the key ingredient to true unity. Nahitabo ni nga mura na man ron ug uhong nga nisulpot sa kadaghan sa protestants ug naa ba ang unity matod pa sa title.

Yes there is unity among protestants and they are united as ever for the truth and for God. If you seek the truth you will find the true church.
If you read carefully, you said it yourself the sole authority of your church is the Pope and not the word of God. And if just red the evidences your church puts more authority on the church itself over the word of God.
You cannot handle the overwhelming factual evidence. As I cannot handle overwhelming deceit from your church.