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  1. #3221

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    Quote Originally Posted by wenlove24 View Post
    yes bro Virgin dyapon Siya. She conceived through the Holy Spirit so she gave birth by the power of the Holy Spirit too. Lisud ni sya e comprehend to new Catholics and esp. to non-Catholics.
    And with regards to the brothers of Jesus, Jews in the old times refer to their cousins, etc. as brothers.
    The following is taken from the Catechism of the CAtholic Church:


    Mary - "ever-virgin"
    499 The deepening of faith in the virginal motherhood led the Church to confess Mary's real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to the Son of God made man. In fact, Christ's birth "did not diminish his mother's virginal integrity but sanctified it." And so the liturgy of the Church celebrates Mary as Aeiparthenos, the "Ever-virgin".
    500 Against this doctrine the objection is sometimes raised that the Bible mentions brothers and sisters of Jesus. The Church has always understood these passages as not referring to other children of the Virgin Mary. In fact James and Joseph, "brothers of Jesus", are the sons of another Mary, a disciple of Christ, whom St. Matthew significantly calls "the other Mary". They are close relations of Jesus, according to an Old Testament expression. 501 Jesus is Mary's only son, but her spiritual motherhood extends to all men whom indeed he came to save: "The Son whom she brought forth is he whom God placed as the first-born among many brethren, that is, the faithful in whose generation and formation she co-operates with a mother's love."
    Matthew 13:55
    * "Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?"

    Matthew 27:56
    * "Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children."

    Based on these passages, di ghapon ni Proof that mary have some children aside ni Jesus?

  2. #3222

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    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Matthew 27:56
    * "Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's children."

    Based on these passages, di ghapon ni Proof that mary have some children aside ni Jesus?
    Lahe na sila nga Mary bro kanang mama ni James og Joses, and mama ni Zebedee Edit: Mother of Zebedee's children Sayup nasad.
    Last edited by petite fleur; 09-08-2011 at 03:52 PM.

  3. #3223

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    Mary of Clopas na kanang inahan ni James and Joses, and Mary Salome and usa, si Zebedee ang iyang Bana.

  4. #3224

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    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Naa koy question sa other thread since Birthday daw run ni Mama Mary, ask lang ko if after na anak si Kristo nya hangtod namatay sa Mary, Virgin pa ba gihapon siya?
    Well, kung ato rang tagsa-tagsa ka kahibalo atong saligan, dili gyud na nato matubag kay wala man ta matawo sa panahon ni Mary. Kun ang bible lang pud ang atong bugtong saligan, dili gihapon ma-kumpleto ang tubag kay lagi matud pa, dili tanang nahitabo sa life ni Kristo nakasulat sa bible.

    John 21:25
    If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
    So asa man ta mangita'g tubag aning pangutanaha? History. Kana bitaw'ng pagbisita ni Magellan sa atong nasud, nituo man ta nga tinuod gyud ng nahitabo tungod sa mga written accounts gikan sa mga tawo nga nabuhi adtong panahona.

    Unsa man ang gisulti sa mga written accounts sa mga tawo nga nabuhi sa panahon ni Maria ug sa karaang panahon, in general?

    Usa sa mga historical document nga nagpamatuod sa perpertual virginity ni Mary mao ang Protoevangelium of James nga gisulat sa tuig 120 A.D. Niining panahona, presko pa sa panumduman sa katawhan ang kinabuhi ni Maria.

    Matud ni Johannes Quasten (Patrology, 1:120–1):

    The principal aim of the whole writing [Protoevangelium of James] is to prove the perpetual and inviolate virginity of Mary before, in, and after the birth of Christ.
    Si Origen nga natawo sa tuig A.D. 248 miingon:

    Now those who say so wish to preserve the honor of Mary in virginity to the end, so that body of hers which was appointed to minister to the Word . . . might not know intercourse with a man after the Holy Spirit came into her and the power from on high overshadowed her.

    src: Origen, Commentary on Matthew 2:17 [A.D. 248]
    Nia pay laing mga testimonies gikan sa karaang panahon.

    Let those, therefore, who deny that the Son is by nature from the Father and proper to his essence deny also that he took true human flesh from the ever-virgin Mary.

    src: Athanasius, Discourses Against the Arians 2:70 [A.D. 360]
    ...one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God . . . who for us men and for our salvation came down and took flesh, that is, was born perfectly of the holy ever-virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit.

    src: Epiphanius of Salamis, The Man Well-Anchored 120 [A.D. 374]
    ...for neither did Mary, who is to be honored and praised above all others, marry anyone else, nor did she ever become the Mother of anyone else, but even after childbirth she remained always and forever an immaculate virgin.

    src: Didymus, The Trinity 3:4 [A.D. 386]
    Mismo ang mga bantogang protestante sa karaang panahon wala gayud magduha2x sa perpetual virginity ni Mary.
    Martin Luther

    It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. ... Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact.

    src: The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510
    John Calvin

    I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin.

    src: Zwingli Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Berlin, 1905, v. 1, p. 424
    Usahay man gud, kitang mga bag-ong tubo madala sa kagahob sa modernong panahon. Maong dunay mga higayon nga motuyhakaw ang mga pagduda. Ang bugtong pangontra niining klaseha sa pagduda mao ang history - testimonies sa mga tawong nabuhi sa karaang panahon.
    Last edited by yanong_banikanhon; 09-08-2011 at 04:10 PM.

  5. #3225

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    Quote Originally Posted by petite fleur View Post
    Mary of Clopas na kanang inahan ni James and Joses, and Mary Salome and usa, si Zebedee ang iyang Bana.
    Kinsa nang Mary gipasabot sa Matthew 13:55?

  6. #3226

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    Si Mama Mary, Mary of Nazareth, the other known as Magdalene kay Mary of Magda or Magdala (ilahang mga birthplace)

  7. #3227

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    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Kinsa nang Mary gipasabot sa Matthew 13:55?
    Mother Mary, Mama Mary.

    I quote from ate wen "And with regards to the brothers of Jesus, Jews in the old times refer to their cousins, etc. as brothers."

    Si Mary of Clopas "who is believed to be the brother of Saint Joseph"

    Mary wife of Zebedee ~Mary Salome was another daughter of St Anne, half sister of the Virgin and wife of Zebedee.

    KAFAMILYA SILA BRO!

    Like Mary of Zebedee (Zebedee is the Bana) Mary of Clopas (Clopas is the Bana- Bana is the brother of...)
    Last edited by petite fleur; 09-08-2011 at 04:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lomhanz View Post
    Sa Roman Catholic, Nganong dili man misahan ang maghikog?
    people, unsay inyong ideya ani? ngano man ni?
    murag gi allowed naman ni karon sa catholic church ang pag misa sa mga naghikog.

  9. #3229

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    Quote Originally Posted by petite fleur View Post
    Mother Mary, Mama Mary.

    I quote from ate wen "And with regards to the brothers of Jesus, Jews in the old times refer to their cousins, etc. as brothers."

    Si Mary of Clopas "who is believed to be the brother of Saint Joseph"

    Mary wife of Zebedee ~Mary Salome was another daughter of St Anne, half sister of the Virgin and wife of Zebedee.

    KAFAMILYA SILA BRO!

    Like Mary of Zebedee (Zebedee is the Bana) Mary of Clopas (Clopas is the Bana- Bana is the brother of...)
    Is there any verse nag explain that Jews called their cousins 'Brother'? or based lan sa History karaan?

  10. #3230

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    Quote Originally Posted by SioDenz View Post
    Is there any verse nag explain that Jews called their cousins 'Brother'? or based lan sa History karaan?
    Bro, murag imo na galing gihimong encyclopedia ang bible. Wala man gani mahisulat ang tanang nabuhat ni Christ sa bible kana na nuong explanation sa cousin ug brother. Tsk.tsk.tsk.

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