The Pale Blue Dot - Carl Sagan

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

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sir, as what i've been saying here in YOUR forum, science can't provide the answers yet. but you see, every now and then, science has come up with a lot of breakthroughs. and one breakthrough opens another breakthrough, a domino effect. all this technologies, for our entertainment, and all this knowledge we have acquired at present, we should give credit to science.

Atleast now , you have acknowledged where you are standing at . Maski pila pa na ka breakthrough lage , as long as walay CONCLUSION there is no CERTAINTY to it yet ikaw whom admitted of just being a SPECK lang diay is very CERTAIN about it . Ikaw na lang pag SCIENTIST aron wala nay breaktrhough or milestone , deretso conclusion .

yes, because science focuses on tangible things. things that can be seen, heard, smelled, touched, and felt by our senses. in science, there is NO GOD.

See again ? Dont be so certain lage because there is no conclusion yet . You are not even certain of other lifefroms outside EARTH and within the confines of the GALAXY , na abot na ka sa HEAVEN dayon .

the IT age, this forum, the internet, the television are some of the things that gives us the pleasure. and that pleasure, is again, should be credited to science! imagine how boring this world is without the technologies being brought up by science?

Andf that what makes you SPECIAL ! Because without you , me , the human race ... there is NO SCIENCE .

who knows? there could be far more intelligent beings than us here in the universe.

And who knows GOD existed too right ?

we are special in a sense that we humans are at the top of the food chain, and we rule the world. but that "special" thing will vanish in the mind if we knew that we are not the only one's residing in this universe. ug sa dihang mangutana na sad ko, in-ana na jud ta kaspecial para kita ray mga species nga mabuhi diri sa universe ng 47 billion light years ang radius?!

Let SCIENCE do the thing . Other than that , as old as human race itself ... and like what I said about nakalahi nato karon ug sa una , more BRILLIANT MINDS are thinking now unlike before . Mao you can easily have opinions like that , well ... opinion ni CARL SAGAN diay .

@MOKILOO ...

He is playing the game and for obvious reasons , what if of all people diay is kamo pa gyud ang CO WORKER ? Damay ka because you share the same IP . But as long as he is in the level of ACTUAL INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION and dili STORBOT , I dont find nothing wrong with it but the moment naay angay i warning through infractions , ma awardan jud just like anyone else .

And please ... dont label MARK VILLANUEVA aka LADY GAGA as a mature person . For obvious reasons , he is a TROLL here in the forums and I am willing to see his MATURITY here for his own good and by the way , all the topics he opened are not even from him but of somewhere else na gi kopya lang . Murag tabanog ba ... siya ni tugpo , ikaw na bahala mo palupad maski ga tuliyok .

@TOKIDOKI ...

OT:
Bro, nakaremember ko nireklamo ka nako di nimo kaya imonitor ang tens of thousands of istoryans. Makakuyap daw. hehehe... Peace, Spring.

I never complained , what I said was just being REALISTIC but rephrasing " BANNING THE SAME PERSON OVER and OVER " ? That is realistic . Please dont disappoint me . You have a far more better reasoning and critical thinking than that .

No more OT and if you still wants to clarify , PM me .

[mokiloo]

@MOKILOO ...

He is playing the game and for obvious reasons , what if of all people diay is kamo pa gyud ang CO WORKER ? Damay ka because you share the same IP . But as long as he is in the level of ACTUAL INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION and dili STORBOT , I dont find nothing wrong with it but the moment naay angay i warning through infractions , ma awardan jud just like anyone else .

And please ... dont label MARK VILLANUEVA aka LADY GAGA as a mature person . For obvious reasons , he is a TROLL here in the forums and I am willing to see his MATURITY here for his own good and by the way , all the topics he opened are not even from him but of somewhere else na gi kopya lang . Murag tabanog ba ... siya ni tugpo , ikaw na bahala mo palupad maski ga tuliyok

well said.
but sad to say not all here shares the same maturity & mentality like yours

though I have to speak this one out
and as much as I RESPECT you more as a person of your views rather than fear you as a MOD and all its power heheh..because I don't see you as a tyrant abusing power

I know there are those holding back to what they might want to say to you...those who labelled me as allies with the mark person making mocking & sarcastic remarks, though harmless, towards me kay I don't have anything to say against this gaga person...kay lagi di ko mupatol and instead I responded to their attacks or patol to this person...kay samot lang mugara

nahadlok rana sila nimo kay u have the 3 clicks lagi. not necessarily they agree with u

we actually share the same views u and ur "tabanog" metaphor and me also somewhere in one of the thread involving this person nga this florigaga made a this "road" and kamo na bahala unsaon ninyo pag maniho ma banga mo or dili inyuha na sayop ang dili sa nag himo and nag design sa dalan

and kabalo and naka observe man siguro ka nako im not the type to speak just to earn or gain favor or "likes" heh
neither I'm the type who intentionally spark conflicts coz I see all here is mature enough to digest issues and topics...or I just assumed too much..correct me if im wrong lang

peace!

back to topic:

simple though or notion
of significance

why is it more easy or guiltless to swat a fly than a bird when the same man na sila naay life other than size or body mass...though flies are labelled as pest or more annoying but thats besides the point

is it also coz its less messier or gross?

does it make him/her less evil to eradicate something or someone a thousandth times smaller than his mass?

can size or physical mass dictate the importance of a being?

[yanong_banikanhon]

being so self important is delusional, in the universal scale. Kay ngano, in-ana na jud ta kaspecial? That's what I'm talking about. We are nothing but a speck of dust in the vast cosmic arena.

I guess you have a point. Pero unsa may imong masulti sa pipila ka almost invisible, insignificant beings who live on that very small blue dot, with the concept called science - a product of their very tiny thinking organ, claim that the whole universe originated in a random fashion without the aid of any intelligence?

Dili kaha mas grabe ang pagka-delusional aning mga tawhana?

[Lady Gaga]

good evening astronomers

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

@ MOKILOO ...

The 3 clicks indeed is reality . Not only by me but to every MOD available .

SUma ikaw ug wala ka ni follow sa rules , hagbay ra unta ka di ba yet you are in the confines of rules and regulations establishing MATURE and INTELLIGENT discussions , wala gyud problema and many can attest to that .

I just dont find the word SPECIAL very appealing because the THEIST said so .

[jack_bauer]

This made me cry, and realized, that being so self important is delusional, in the universal scale. Kay ngano, in-ana na jud ta kaspecial? That's what I'm talking about. We are nothing but a speck of dust in the vast cosmic arena.

depende pd sa perspective.. kung ga tan-aw ka gikan sa space yes we are that small.. but kung ga tan-aw ka sa sulod sa Earth - meaning sa atoa present life rn, DILI ta in-ana ka gamay..

OT: nindot man ning mga topic ni Mark Villanueva, pero kung sabton ang tumong ani dili man gyud discussion iyang purpose.. if we can notice sa highlighted in BOLD LETTERS above, ma klaro na gyud iyang tuyo(purpose)

back to topic: i believe the blue dot analogy or description of our existence is made to remind us that we need to be humble specially when we are on top of our being, when we are on or about to be on our own pedestal.. and not to mock our existence in the vastness of this universe - (im not familiar ni Carl Sagan, i maybe wrong but that's how i take that blue dot thing)

[pinoy_09]

That is true but the comparison of the BELIEF SYSTEM and the SYSTEMATIC APPROACH of SCIENCE is not a gage of the existence of something specially of a Supreme Being .

Quite the contrary. Faith and/or religion is a belief system and thus it tends to clamor for explanations to defend its non-sense everytime evidence-based results challenge the "system". It is beyond me that theists insist on asking science to prove the "non-existence" of god as if science has that responsibility.

When we say naay theist who are freethinkers , we cant easily label them as contradicting because susama nila , naa man pod mga scientist who believes ina Supreme Being . So di gyud ni siya pwede himuong basis .

Sure, there are scientists who are religious, but in a sense, it is quite contradicting. There are some scientists who actually try to harmonize evolution with creationism, and I think they are being intellectually dishonest.

I say , SCIENCE and FAITH goes hand in hand . Just because we can gather all the evidences we can through science , it is not certain man pod or should I say guideline man lang na siya on a general context .

I disagree. You can't reconcile science and faith; it is simply impossible. You may try to thicken the truce but at the end of the day, they are two different systems. Faith and religion forces intolerance, superstition, and ridicule to every human advancement. Faith and religion does not permit men to think logically. Religion teaches man to follow the narrow path of believing in doctrines and medieval mentality.

Science, on the other hand, does not hesitate to expose the superstition and old age knowledge, and aims to further advance our knowledge by evidence that establishes FACT.

[carule]

lady gaga..i appreciate nga nitake time ka nga pagpost ani nga thread..i understand nga nakakita ka ug something interesting with the essay thats why nishare ka sa uban..i assure you i have nothing against you...
so..
di ko magenglish kay sakit sa brain..but..payo lang..
if magdrive gani ka..and naa kay bisag slightest urge na sabdon imuha tapad nga car sa lain nga lane...fight that urge..kay itll end up nga a whole sane car crash.nga bloody..nga dili ta ganahan makit-an. nga dili ta ganahan naay madeads or what..

please keep your opinion subtle...and with keen insight..
that means nga kabalo ka if kanang imuha opinion kay makatunob sa pagtuo sa uban..

maayu ang essay...but ang katong imuha opinion sa last...i mean...errrr..im not so sure..

[yanong_banikanhon]

You can't reconcile science and faith; it is simply impossible.

If science cannot provide a universal, verifiable scientific proof(s) that itself (science) is the SOLE authority in deciding what is true and what is false, THOSE who consider it as the ultimate arbiter of truth/falsity rely on FAITH, not science itself.

[ethzneuron]

with God or any gods or no god at all.. you are still special coz not all speck has life on it.