Have you seen Poleteismo?

[tylerdurden]

can you give any bible phrase that jesus said to kill other people for him or protect phedophiles followers? ARe the sins done by the priests jesus fault? the church may have crooks so as any other religion but jesus never taught them to be one. we are free to think whatever we want but we must also be sensitive enough to consider and respect what others believe. its not bad to express ourselves but cultures, religion and race should also be considered and respected. i too have aethiest friends but i never criticize them or correrct them on what they believe. its their decision and its their life

i congratulate you on your views regarding your atheist friends. however i was only pointing out that the church has done more damage while hiding behind the name of jesus than this artist has. i am not saying jesus taught them to do this. what i am saying is that they are abusing jesus' name by hiding behind it while doing exactly the opposite of what jesus would have done.

[tylerdurden]

Even National Artist F. Sionil Jose thinks it was not art.

To quote: ""If submitted to my old gallery, I would have rejected it. It is not, I repeat, it is not art. It is an immature and juvenile attempt at caricature," he said..

Malaya | National

then it should've been treated as such and not made into such a big bruhaha. also, way to play it up in the limelight, mr "national artist"

[tylerdurden]

tyler,

no1. you are basing your post on history..the Popes had asked forgiveness for it. MOVE ON.

that is not happening anymore in the modern times.

no.2 that didn't happen on Catholic church alone,

here's some.
Jim Bakker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

YFZ Ranch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

no3. is not martyrdom, that's corruption.
and that's not happening on RC alone. and i'm not happy on that cases either..

nevertheless, no.3 are abuses on the Core Doctrines of the Church, about forgiveness..

kay pasaylu-on man.

no.1
again, there is a large need to judge the church by its past behaviors because its character has not changed for decades. and, while one pope may ask for forgiveness for past atrocities, the entire church are still as sinful as they have been.

no.2
it is not an excuse for the church to do these things just because it is happening elsewhere. what kind of reasoning is that?

no.3
the culture of martyrdom i am referring to pertains to the people, not the church. the church nowadays cannot fathom martyrdom - consider how they immediately launched a crusade to raise money to buy the bishops new SUVs after the old ones they 'requested' from the government were taken away.

[pugak_79]

@pugak_79: since the title of the work is poleteismo (which i understand to be the vernacularization of the word polytheism), i don't think you specifically have to go back to the Spanish regime to illustrate the point.

while i've not seen the work personally, i'd say his work is spot on. what does the current filipino culture worship? pop icons, political bosses, jesus, $3x.... it's all there in his work. apart from the overt sexuality, i'd say cruz's work is just above that of what any elementary to high schooler can do given the same theme.

his work only became popular because he dared point out the big secret of filipino culture: we worship $3x.

yes like i said in the previous post, his works appear tasteless. i think he was using the sacred objects not for us to go back to the spanish regime per se.

IMO it so happened the phallus contains multiple meanings. Contrary to the public's interpretation w/c is inevitably taken as a s3xual symbol, to Cruz, it was based on his studies on symbols w/c happen to be long forgotten over human history.

I recall the military used it with the symbol "^" w/c is the erection of the p3nis as one of my friends once told me back in the Da Vinci Code controversy. So i guess the phallus do probably had a 'BIG' role being associated as 'power' during those time

[erwin_rommel]

i congratulate you on your views regarding your atheist friends. however i was only pointing out that the church has done more damage while hiding behind the name of jesus than this artist has. i am not saying jesus taught them to do this. what i am saying is that they are abusing jesus' name by hiding behind it while doing exactly the opposite of what jesus would have done.

then jesus doesnt deserve to be treated like that coz he has done nothing bad at all. maybe the abusive priests do so they are the ones who are more deserving to place a dick on their faces.

[Romeojin]

whats with FPJ on his art works ? lol

[golens]

naay uban pareha gud og pangutok aning Mideo Cruz... mao nga di nako mahibung ngano ni exist ni siya ... ANYWAY, pasagdi-e nalang na ninyo sila kay mao man kaha na ilaha tuohan... mag buot manta ana nila oi kung pagagmayayg utok di gud na sila palupig

[Romeojin]

whats with FPJ on his art works ? lol

i just noticed the yellow ribbon lol.

[kidynamite]

Ang babaw ng pag interpret mo ng explanation ko.

-RODION

ahaha as if lawm sd imo statement...

[erwin_rommel]

whats with FPJ on his art works ? lol

hmm... his arts seem as disturbing as his looks... now i know