Tallo leaves Ateneo: Right or Wrong Move?

[bb2]

My apologies about the shoes. I mistakenly presumed basketball equipment included shoes. Re: Uniforms there is nothing wrong in returning school property if you do not plan to play for the school (or maybe pants and jackets for a US trip as well) as a sign of respect. I probably got confused sometimes supportive alumni give money for things like this as well. Maybe I confused Macmac with someone else that Ateneo alumni gave support/ money to to buy things like shoes and shorts. Can you ask him if he ever got money for shoes and the like from Alumni, just to clarify.

My apologies if I mistakenly included Mr. Huang as being called a liar. I will have to re-read the article. I must have misread it.

I happened to bump into Mr. Huang last week and AFAIK Mr. Tallo has still not talked to Mr. Huang since the AWOL. It was mentioned that Mr. Tallo finally showed up at the bball games that Mr. Huang and Mr. Tallo play in but Mr. Tallo never approached Mr. Huang. He may have touched base with Mr. Huang since then, If you can show me that he did I will apologize for that as well.


Since you want to concentrate on "being negative". Maybe you should advise the Tallos about not being negative...Mr. Tallo has written a "negative"/blaming Coach Norman article in the most widely read paper in Cebu...He gave "negative" (about Ateneo) interviews to a writer. They could have simply left and refused to write in the paper about it, making it an issue.

Maybe there was need to let people know Macmac was no longer with Ateneo (i.e. available), but to call Coach Norman a liar? Isn't that the negativity you talk about?

Just like I am siding with Ateneo, you are siding with the Tallos. I have seen the sacrifices made by people in the Ateneo community. I guess you see the same for the Tallos.

I will say I did not make a mistake in saying that Ateneo and Mr. Huang sacrificed time and a whole lot of money on the MacMac or are you going to say that is speculation as well?

Again it seems you get to talk to the Tallos (since you know about shoes) how about you ask the Tallos what they're other plans are regarding paying back the costs and time of Ateneo, MVP, and Mr. Haung? Mahal ra ba ng oras ni Mr. Huang, samot pa si MVP. I've asked you before and you've sidestepped the issue. Maybe if I say please this time you will ask them? Please.

I do know that Mr. Tallo is making a good living doing individual training. I met a guy 2 weeks ago who said his nephew was being trained and they are paying a lot because Mr. Tallo is a very very good trainer. I'll ask my friend basin they can make payments directly to MVP. Basin sad pwede ra mag-Awol ra ang bata na walay bayad so Mr. Tallo can experience the feeling of being left out in the cold?




See there is nothing wrong with admitting you are wrong. Maybe you can tell the Tallo's that.

[bb2]

(It seems you are close to the Tallos,)

its was so happened that one of the parents of a student in the camp of Mr. Tallo is a friend of mine. during our simple gathering we are talking about macmac's update thats why i can say na ikaw. wrong info jud ka. if we admire people and their talents nganung mo speculate man dayun ka. gusto dae ka na mo simpatiya ko nimu na sayup man ka. Im a former varsity player here in local school lang. di lang success of being a player because of height matters. but still success in the team. kai nka champion mi.
regarding of all your doubts less jud imong IQ sa basketball.
maybe someday if i have time after my work i will ask the parents of the student of Mr.Tallo to go with them and clarify your wrong info, because for me when i talked to the parents. dghan jud kag sayup.

Just noticed this one. Yes you probably have a bigger BBall IQ than me. I have no problem with that at all. Some people are better than others in many different ways.

I'm sure MacMac and Mr. Tallo have bball IQs at least 10xs more than me. What does that have to do with the fact that they went AWOL? KB was near the height of his bball abilities and IQ when he was accused of rape. If he did rape at that time does that excuse it because he has high bball IQ? I'm not saying rape=AWOL but just showing bball IQ has nothing to do with it.

We all have friends that we always favor. It's a fact of life. I am favoring the community that has taken care of me, you are favoring the Tallos for your personal reasons.

However there are issues that will always be beyond favoritism. I have others issues I brought up. Can you ask the parents you know how the Tallos plan to address them? Btw if Mr. Tallo does not have Mr. Huang number I was able to get it. I can forward it to him for that "thank you".


What is with the height matters statement? Yes I agree with you in basketball height matters.

[rainmaker]

Let's go back to the original topic and hopefully limit it to basketball.

For the Eagles alumni, I don't think you would need Tallo to dominate the UAAP. Ateneo will always get the first crack with the best players in the country and they will have another Fil-Am next year that will likely be another marquee Blue Eagle. I know that the issue has affected a lot of people but Mr. Tallo, Mr. Huang, and even MVP are old enough to settle their differences or even move on.

For the Tallo sympathizers, first you got to admit that the Tallo's could have handled the situation better. They could have left without a bitter taste in someone's mouth and hopefully we all learn a lesson from it. It's not nice to attract bad publicity or bad rep unless you really wanna play as a villain.

Good luck to everybody and let's enjoy our favorite sport. Peace!

[D40]

UAAP basketball is in the middle of the 1st round and it seems that Ateneo is solid at the 1st 5, but their second stringers are weak and plays a supporting cast at best for Ateneo. Like in the last blowout game versus UP, the second stringers couldn't hold and Black needed to put in Long to have semblance of outside shooting, and this was pointed out by the TV commentators. Macmac would crack the top 8 or 9 rotation by the end of the 1st round, IMO.

With La Salle next year, Macmac should easily enter the top 8 and eventually break into the 1st five within his first year or even by the 1st round. By next year, Revilla will be on his 4th year of eligibility. the other La Salle players he can overtake within the first year.

[Jumperman]

I don't subscribe to that "it's too early to tell if Tallo was right or wrong."

We are in this forum and discussing topics we are really not a part of in real life because we are "armchair experts." That is why we are here. We discuss politics and many other sensitive topics.

It is "too early to tell" if we made the right choice in voting P-Noy as president? There is no such thing as too early and wait. You have to make your decision on election day, you cannot vote after the term is over.

Right now, I am taking a stand as to what my opinion is on Tallo's leaving Ateneo. My view (with the limited facts I have) is that Tallo's camp was wrong. That is only my opinion and I have stated my reasons why. I have to have an opinion now, and cannot hold my opinion for 4 years. If in that time Tallo blossoms and fulfills his potential, my opinion will change and I will be more than happy to see a fellow Cebuano succeed in the big leagues.

I just don't buy the "too early to tell" or "it's none of your business." We exist in this forum to speculate and discuss things that are really none of our business and premature to pass judgment upon.

After seeing the exhibition game with the Smart All-Stars (Kobe, D-Rose, CP3, Durant, etc), I can see how many "intangibles" Tallo may have lost out from Ateneo which is supported by MVP. I realized that most of the players who got the rare chance to play against the NBA stars were from Ateneo (Rabah, Tenorio, Fonacier ..and then the Smart Gilas team). Surely there must have been favoritism on MVP's part on who to choose. Same thing for Kobe's earlier trip here where he gave a clinic for the college stars.

It's quite sad that Tallo could not take part in that clinic, and may have drawn the ire of MVP. There are the Ateneo people rubbing elbows with Kobe and having the experience of their lives, while Tallo - on the basis of pure speculation about lack of playing time without even playing a single UAAP game - leaves Ateneo and joins the B-team of another school.

Another reason why I feel it was a wrong decision by Tallo (and no, I don't have to explain anymore why I don't agree with that "too early to tell" declarations).

While it's true that we're all entitled to our respective OPINIONS and that in fact this thread/forum is dedicated to the airing of such, the problem there is that unless we can show proof that we are in fact connected with either the Tallos, the Ateneo Men's Basketball Team or any individual who has FIRSTHAND info (not a mere SPECULATOR/RUMOR-MONGER) we will only end up "twisting" the "facts" we have to fit our own line of thinking, and then hide behind the "freedom of speech" security blanket. Nya puros baya ta mga swito ug mga ngilngig, so wala gyuy magpa-lupig. Resulta kay layo na sa actual truth and topic ang mabasahan nato diri. Freedom of speech = a double-edged sword.

Talking about P-Noy/politics is different, because that topic is in fact vested with so much public interest. If anything, we are even required to be vigilant of the performance of our public officers, because among others/at the very least we are taxpayers (actually, wa koy apil because I don't pay tax yet hehe, estudyante blues pa ko). Pero ang topic kay si Mac-Mac Tallo man. We have to be more cautious with what we say, di ta angay mag-himo2x ug storya or magpa-swito2x or mag-buot2x based on secondhand info that for all we know could have been started by a party not really within proximity of any of the involved personalities (not saying that you were, I said it in general lang ba). We cannot impose on others the rationale behind our belief on why Mac-Mac's or his dad's decision to bolt was right or wrong because in the first place we don't know all the facts.

Wa na man unta tay angay storyahan kay next year pa man maka-duwa si Mac-Mac...But if this thread has to drag on, let's at least fill it with accurate info and not just pa-swito2x, blind bias and loyalty. Kana lang unta ba.

As for the shitload of perks that comes with being Atenean, no argument there. But as I had mentioned in a previous reply, I BELIEVE (IF he plays his cards right) that Mac-Mac is good enough to make it to the pros without the aid of Ateneo connections. Anyway, he doesn't need to rub elbows with Kobe to become a better ballplayer. I'd tell Mac-Mac to just stay in the gym, shoot for an extra hour, get stronger. Eventually he'll get his chance to play with/against Kobe (or rub elbows with him, if that means so much).

Soundtrack ani nga thread (or perhaps even the forum) kay "Under My Umbrella" by Incubus. Hehe

rainmaker, I concur.

[bitaw lagi]

While it's true that we're all entitled to our respective OPINIONS and that in fact this thread/forum is dedicated to the airing of such, the problem there is that unless we can show proof that we are in fact connected with either the Tallos, the Ateneo Men's Basketball Team or any individual who has FIRSTHAND info (not a mere SPECULATOR/RUMOR-MONGER) we will only end up "twisting" the "facts" we have to fit our own line of thinking, and then hide behind the "freedom of speech" security blanket. Nya puros baya ta mga swito ug mga ngilngig, so wala gyuy magpa-lupig. Resulta kay layo na sa actual truth and topic ang mabasahan nato diri. Freedom of speech = a double-edged sword.

Talking about P-Noy/politics is different, because that topic is in fact vested with so much public interest. If anything, we are even required to be vigilant of the performance of our public officers, because among others/at the very least we are taxpayers (actually, wa koy apil because I don't pay tax yet hehe, estudyante blues pa ko). Pero ang topic kay si Mac-Mac Tallo man. We have to be more cautious with what we say, di ta angay mag-himo2x ug storya or magpa-swito2x or mag-buot2x based on secondhand info that for all we know could have been started by a party not really within proximity of any of the involved personalities (not saying that you were, I said it in general lang ba). We cannot impose on others the rationale behind our belief on why Mac-Mac's or his dad's decision to bolt was right or wrong because in the first place we don't know all the facts.

Wa na man unta tay angay storyahan kay next year pa man maka-duwa si Mac-Mac...But if this thread has to drag on, let's at least fill it with accurate info and not just pa-swito2x, blind bias and loyalty. Kana lang unta ba.

As for the shitload of perks that comes with being Atenean, no argument there. But as I had mentioned in a previous reply, I BELIEVE (IF he plays his cards right) that Mac-Mac is good enough to make it to the pros without the aid of Ateneo connections. Anyway, he doesn't need to rub elbows with Kobe to become a better ballplayer. I'd tell Mac-Mac to just stay in the gym, shoot for an extra hour, get stronger. Eventually he'll get his chance to play with/against Kobe (or rub elbows with him, if that means so much).

Soundtrack ani nga thread (or perhaps even the forum) kay "Under My Umbrella" by Incubus. Hehe

rainmaker, I concur.

If not for his/ his dad's ATTITUDE, MacMac will RUB ELBOWS w/ KOBE last month... that's every baller's dream..to play with or against KOBE BRYANT even DONDON HONTIVEROS went gaga by the experience he had

Again, there's no question about the talent of Tallo... its the ATTITUDE that hurts them most....

wag sana sya maging the next BJ Manalo...

[bb2]

The Freedom of Speech/double edged sword you talk about is the very "weapon" that Mr. Tallo used himself (Sunstar article) and through the writers who have written "Black Bakakon". He used it, drew first blood, cannot it be used against him?

Any bball fan regardless of whether you're for Ateneo or for MacMac have opinions, they can only base those on facts.

I will say so far the FACTS are Ateneo, Jack Huang, and MVP spent a whole lot of time and money on the training and getting MacMac on to Team A of ADMU.

Mac Mac has benefited from that training, just look at how much muscular he has gotten. Skillswise I would presume he learned something as well.

MacMac went AWOL.

AFAIK MacMac approached Coach Norman ONCE, in and around the Mapua game, to try to thresh it out. (IMHO not the proper time and place. Coach's mind was probably on the game.)


Then this is why we ask questions. to get the other facts and form better opinions.

I have a couple of questions that can be verified by the people who can ask MacMac and Mr. Tallo. They seem to love defending them and have stories from them but when I ask questions like... do they plan to re-pay, have they tried to talk to Mr. Huang to explain.... they have a better sidestepping moves than MacMac himself.

These are stories I get from people at the Ateneo Dorm, people in and around the BE Bball program so I will ask those who seem to have FACTS from Macmac to answer or ask him the following:

When Mr. Tallo went to Manila (and stayed for free at the dorm) did he talk to MacMac and tell him he has to "keep his status"? What did that mean? I believe this was the time when Mr. Tallo approached Mr. Trillo asking about his son. Did he bring up the question of PT specifically then or ask what the specific plans for MacMac were? or did he base his decision on Mr. Trillo's mention that MacMac was doing "ok".

"packed his bags and left".......Was the plane ticket back to Cebu purchased even before MacMac talked to Coach Norman? It is RUMORED he already told some people he was leaving for Cebu even before the talk to Coach Norman. (shows predisposition to leave or basin gatipid with a pre-booked flight)


Again I'm sure the Tallos are not that bad people but until their defenders here ask them and respond to the questions the Tallos will be viewed based on their actions I think so far the actions that the public knows are just the AWOL.

[sucre]

It was truly a heart-warming gift for all of us (his family) that MarK Jayven Tallo has finally embarked on the journey towards reaching his life-long dreams. Basketball has always been Macmac’s passion. And for him to be a part of the strongest basketball team and to study in the best academic institution there is, there was truly nothing more that we could ask for. I have nothing but kind words to all of those who helped Macmac enter Ateneo De Manila University.
To see him play in the basketball court and showcase his talent brings me overwhelming joy. With the current situation, it truly pains my heart to witness that my son has slowly reclined from the athlete that he was. To see him waste his talent on the courtside bench and never get the chance to play for his team is excruciating. Whatever happened to the promises of allowing him to play for ADMU’s glory, I will never know.
Practice indeed makes perfect. But how can my son perfect his craft if he never gets to practice his skills in an actual game? I understand that there is a lot of polishing that he needs to undergo. I am not sure anymore if ADMU can help him on this since they never gave him a chance to show what he can do for the team. I may not be in the best position to make the decision on who gets to play in the court, but whoever is in post failed miserably. Macmac was been recruit by ADMU due of his basketball skills and talent, and if he loses this talent, what more help he can give to ADMU? Basketball is the hold of my son’s education.
Let me set the record straight that my son never wished for instant stardom. What my son wants is just a few minutes of quality time not a quantity time in pre-season games so he can adjust well with the team, for how else can he be best prepared for the big leagues if he never gets the chance to play in the minor leagues. If he is never used in minor leagues like Fil-Oil and Fr. Martin’s, how can he expect to play for the upcoming UAAP season? It was Coach Norman Black who made verbal promise that he will give a playing time at the same time with Keifer Ravena which Coach Norman no intention of fulfilling. Four point guards at the same team will be hard to make a decision who will move toward the court. As we can see, Coach Black trained Ravena as a legit point guard of the team which the same position of Macmac and they both freshmen. Tiongson is not yet graduating next year. How about if the team found another more talented player than him? So the team doesn’t need him anymore.
Nobody can judge anything yet, what really the internal situation…it is just between us and the ADMU only. Maybe ADMU is not my son’s providence. And maybe God has a better plan for him.
Again, from the bottom of our hearts, we would like to extend our gratitude to those who helped my son who really gave their effort to on his short-term residency in ADMU. Let’s hope someday my son will find his truly and accurate place where he belongs, he is still young and still have a big chance to think what is better for him.


From the mother's heart comment...

Go TALLO!!!! reach for your dreams!

[bitaw lagi]

Go TALLO!!!! reach for your dreams!

Nice to hear them saying "Thank You" to the people who helped them.

Again, there's the issue of "PLAYING TIME".... since Mr. Tallo is a FORMER Professional Baller, he should know first... Mac Mac is no MICHEAL JORDAN... even MICHEAL JORDAN suffered being benched by his coach when he was in HS... again THERE IS NO SHORTCUT in achieving a successful career... NORMAN BLACK knows best when it comes to ADMU MBT... He's a proven coach than Mr. Tallo.... If Tallo expects minutes, lots of minutes in his rookie year, he'son the wrong team...maybe in the WRONG LEAGUE...

Yes, MacMac is a SUPERSTAR in CESAFI.. He EARNED IT!!! but that doesn't mean if ur a superstar in HS, u can be a superstar in UAAP... He must EARN his minutes and his FAME in the big leagues....


That's my own opinion...

[rageagainstthemachines]

sayangas talent. pero mas maayo ra nga ni hawa siya. maypag adto siya sa la salle. nindot pa tan.awn i sangka siya ni ravena.