Philippine Special Forces

[7DMM]

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Naa koy innocent question ha. Please chill lang mo answer. I posted this from another thread pero walamai naka tubag nako didto. Maybe naay maka tubag nako dri.

I was watching this NatGeo docu called Locked Up Abroad and the capture of Martin and Gracia Burnham was featured. There was also a feature of the Sipadan ( but they were brought to Jolo) kidnapping of a South African couple, a couple of Malaysians and a Filipino. Yeah, two episodes that involved the Abu Sayaff.

I really don't want to bad mouth our military but the way they were supposed to save the hostages was so rash. I mean I'm not a military expert but don't they have tactics on how to save the hostages? They were just firing bullets and shelling in every direction. In the two episodes involving gun fights between the Abu Sayaff and the Philippine Military, the hostages said instead of the military protecting them they felt like it was the terrorists who acted as their protector. Ironic eh? One South African even said that after they were shelled and the Abu Sayaff "sort of" protected them, they trusted them. Though it was false trust but you know...The military was that bad for a hostage to say that.

The one with the Sipadan ep (South African hostages) one hostage even said: "The Philippine government had an inclination about our safety that they were willing to sacrifice us." This was said after a clip was shown where the military was shelling (everywhere) the terrorists' camp.

Hope you guys could also watch those episodes.

When several hostages were freed (Libyan leader Gadhafi paid for the ransom daw =D), they were transported in a helicopter and one said: "I looked up and then there was this beautiful island but there was so much EVIL inside it." It's just sad.

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EDIT: Nice thread. Just back read a couple of pages. Made me appreciate our special forces pero ganahan lang kog tubag atong ako gi post sa ibabaw. Hehe. Enlighten me.

i've seen those episodes but mind you lahi ang perspective sa "gladiator" ug sa "spectator" and expected that the hostages would say such comments and i can't blame them for that. as to your question if they do have tactics then i say yes because they are trained and they have the mind set.but there are a lot of things that are beyond comprehension of civilians and arm chair generals kung unsa gyud ang experience sa mga operators didto.

i've been with navsog, sf, sr, force recon and spow personnel and have high respect for these guys so mga civies, pro commie bastards, wanna be's ug mga arm chair generals wala gyud moy katungod mag bugal bugal ani nila.

[elvandesantos]

A lot of people are really ignorant when it comes to MILITARY STUFF , not that I know more but I am in the position to say yes since I served in the US NAVY for 8 glorious years of active duty both in sea and in shore . I have been there and done that . I have seen joint excercises by both US and AFP (CARAT and BALIKATAN ) , seen how SWAGS trains with FROGMEN , jog with them in Coronado Island when I was in SAR duty , seen them in wargames ( you wouldnt even think its just a game ) .

Ang NAVSOG pa gani na , we are not even talking about the MARINE FORCE RECONS and the SCOUT RANGERS .

So keep all the BS to yoruselves , I dont want to hear or see post about inutil ni sila tungod sa kapalpakan sa BUS HOSTAGE TAKING , wala ni silay BAWT sa CHINA , basin sa TAINING ra ni sila kutob . Boys ... you guys dont have the slightest idea what these MEN of HONOR are capable of doing .

Mao ni ang naa sa akong wall sa FB , take pride on it maski sa AFP man lang .

It is the soldier,not the reporter,who has given us Freedom of Press.
It is the soldier,not the poet,who has given us Freedom of Speech.
It is the soldier,not the campus organizer,who has given us the Freedom to Demonstrate.
It is the soldier,who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flagthat allows the protester to burn the flag.

-Father Dennis O'Brien,Chaplain, USN

nangugat nagyud si sir springy! sakto kaau ka sir.

[elvandesantos]

Aw suyakan ta na ilang mga barko, then bikton sa tabanog ang ilang eroplano ug helicopter.
With our army ranked 31st in the World, along with special forces ug mga players sa Airsoft, lisod sad siguro ta i-conquer oi.

yes are army is ranked 31th IN THE WORLD.there are 196 countries sa world. for a small nations as ours ni ranked ana is not normal... also we have also been ranked(i forgot the nmbers) for the most active and experience military since we have both fronts (muslims rebels and NPA's). atong kasundalohan dili lng puro porma ug show-off kundi experyensado sad.

[dark_phoenix]

i've seen those episodes but mind you lahi ang perspective sa "gladiator" ug sa "spectator" and expected that the hostages would say such comments and i can't blame them for that. as to your question if they do have tactics then i say yes because they are trained and they have the mind set.but there are a lot of things that are beyond comprehension of civilians and arm chair generals kung unsa gyud ang experience sa mga operators didto.

i've been with navsog, sf, sr, force recon and spow personnel and have high respect for these guys so mga civies, pro commie bastards, wanna be's ug mga arm chair generals wala gyud moy katungod mag bugal bugal ani nila.

I based my observation man sad sa mga narrations sa mga survivors and they made the PH military looked bad man so mao naka question ko. Di ko makig lalis anang in bold letters. Pero unsa man imo maka ingon about those rescue operations?

[mokiloo]

our armed forces are really good at what they do..bisan ill-equipped tah. though di gyud kalikayan
nga some of the top-brasses are contaminated w/ corruption (forgive my blunt statement) but what else is new here?

some say inutil sila kay wala daw ma quell down ang abu-sayaf or any terrorist activity sa mindanao.
for me its not a matter of capacity...if gi tinuod gyud na sila sa atong government forces I think na contain na na sila. but then again..even in the phils, war is a business if you put in crooked military & government officials in the scene. And resulta sa press releases feeding public opinion is: "inutil ang military"

Everytime I saw foreign military operations/activity in the news and documentaries
I myself can compare OURS to their's and see pride in our own army coz I know, and not just being patriotically biased nga they are very capable and can even excel bisan tu-od pobre
Even katong atoang PAF aerobatics team the BLUE DIAMONDS was a legend even to its rich counterparts even the US.

and regarding katong very well publicized globally Bus Hostage crisis was just a matter of
stupid decision making...ako question is...why sa ka daghan mga anti-terrorist unit kato man gyud
ge pa respond mga inutil nga pulis? na showcase na hinuon sa tibuok kalibutan how we respond to such incidents.

its just like showing up in a fancy party wearing just tshirts, shorts and flipflops...when naa man unta designer tux or suit.

[mokiloo]

yes are army is ranked 31th IN THE WORLD.there are 196 countries sa world. for a small nations as ours ni ranked ana is not normal... also we have also been ranked(i forgot the nmbers) for the most active and experience military since we have both fronts (muslims rebels and NPA's). atong kasundalohan dili lng puro porma ug show-off kundi experyensado sad.

bro if pang show-off lang atong military...they have nothing!!!! pobre baya
but in terms of actual performance, experience, capacity and tactics....now that's where the real SHOW is for our army!!!!

[lodyl]

Daghan sad ....

@ PINOY 09 ...

Hehehehe .... laliman ka ug ingnon ang SWAG .... mo buto ni ilang pusil underwater ? Kamao ni sila mo langoy ?

Anyways .... back to the topic ta .

We have seen a lot of the SWAG now . How about we tackle now the FMF and SCOUT RANGERS .

Dili sa pag insulto or whatever... inosente lang to nga question bro ang "mo buto ni ilang pusil underwater"... You don't have to be defensive about it...

[mokiloo]

^^^
ang part sa question where mubuto ba ang pusil underwater is a legitimate question
bcoz firing from a rifle with a chamber full of water can be disastrous

[Sand Man]

Dili sa pag insulto or whatever... inosente lang to nga question bro ang "mo buto ni ilang pusil underwater"... You don't have to be defensive about it...

Do you know what being "defensive" means?

And you questions can easily be Googled.

[7DMM]

I based my observation man sad sa mga narrations sa mga survivors and they made the PH military looked bad man so mao naka question ko. Di ko makig lalis anang in bold letters. Pero unsa man imo maka ingon about those rescue operations?

it was their operation and i'm not competent to answer your question. i'm sure what happened was their judgement call and they alone can answer and know the reasons behind that. probably in they eyes of the survivors and the public they made some "glitches" but i'm pretty sure that our soldiers did their best and risked their lives to rescue all of the hostages. sh*t happens and it was martin burnham got shot and i'm sure gracia would look for somebody to blame. besides they might be suffering from Stockholm syndrome after long period of captivity.