Questions for the Atheists

[pinoy_09]

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No, it is not. The term 'gap' in the phrase God of the gaps refers to the GAP in understanding of some aspect of the material world.

But it has been proven so many times in this thread that logic is immaterial and does not come from the material world. So kun duna man galing nigamit og lit-ag (trap) diri, kana wala'y lain kundili kadtong namugos pagpatoo nga ang transcendent source of logic (nga gitawag og GOD sa mga theist), is nothing but the God of gaps.

It lacks a plausible natural explanation (hence the word "immaterial"), so it's beyond the reach of any scientific explanation. And since you gave this "mind beyond the material world" the name "GOD", then you're employing god of the gaps.

[Soul Doctor]

Right.

But can you please tell that to the thousands if not millions of children around the world dying of hunger right this very minute? What about the others who are dying of a non-curable disease? God surely designed these things to happen.

How selfish of you to tell ME to see things around me. Reality check: there is no awe and wonder in this world. All I see are tornadoes, hurricanes, hunger, and WAR.

And why are you singling out EARTH? What about the other planets that "GOD DESIGNED"? Is life sustainable in those planets? They're either TOO HOT or TOO COLD to sustain life.

Talk about WONDER and AWE.

Death and diseases is part of natures design.
Imagine what will happen if the world will be full of healthy people and no one dies.
We would be overcrowded and we run out of space.

War, hunger and calamities is the product of people not believing in God and not respecting his creation.

Those kids are hungry because their parent keeps on having s.e.x ...
as if God made s.e.x for recreation.
Their irresponsible actions should not be blamed on God.

Those hurricanes and tornadoes is a product of humans not respecting nature.
nature has its own laws. its like nature is programmed to survive too.
If people try to kill nature and earth by polluting the air and the seas,
nature tends to fight back.

War is the product of humans not believing in God
and not respecting the lives and property of others.

Again what made it God's fault?
All of it is a product of man's selfishness.
That prevents them from appreciating God and the wonderful things He has done.
Now, am I the one who is SELFISH?
AM I the one who needs the REAL reality check?

And you talk about the planets like they are the only planets on this universe.
I believe we are not alone.
For me, God created another systems complete with inhabitants and planets with satellites.
Think about it--
There are billions of stars in a galaxy
and there are millions of galaxies in the universe.
and if the sun in our solar system--- is just one star.
DO the math.
with all those stars (approx. 100,000,000,000,000) in this universe--
isnt it a bit arrogant to say that we are alone?

But I don't want to be asked to prove what I believed again. That would be another thread.

[yanong_banikanhon]

It lacks a plausible natural explanation (hence the word "immaterial"), so it's beyond the reach of any scientific explanation. And since you gave this "mind beyond the material world" the name "GOD", then you're employing god of the gaps.

Bay, asa mang diksyunaryoha nimo nakit-i nga ang definition sa immaterial is lack of plausible natural explanation? Tsk.tsk.tsk..

Ang sakto (dili binuot-buot) nga meaning sa immaterial is 'having no material body or form'. So, that god of gaps of yours, just keep it to yourself.

[pinoy_09]

Bay, asa mang diksyunaryoha nimo nakit-i nga ang definition sa immaterial is lack of plausible natural explanation? Tsk.tsk.tsk..

Ang sakto (dili binuot-buot) nga meaning sa immaterial is 'having no material body or form'. So, that god of gaps of yours, just keep it to yourself.

Kinsay nag ingon nga immaterial is lack of plausible natural explanation? hehehe

Immaterial --- not physical; pertaining to something spiritual rather than physical.

Natural --- relating to the physical world as distinct from the spiritual or natural realm.

Therefore, kaning imong gi ingon nga "mind beyond the material world", walay plausible natural explanation ana. Kay wala ma'y plausible natural explanation, kini imong giingon nga "immaterial mind" gi nganlan nimo ug "GOD" --- god of the gaps. Gets ka?

Nag explain rako sir ha. Lisud man gud ning mu disagree ta nya di diay to mao.

[treize]

Way blema na, technically it's the same thing in that ang inyong source is God. Kato ako question sa ibabaw nga wala nimo matubag (howcome God is the source), I'll leave that open to other theists in this thread as well.

Allow me to reiterate that question kay interesado pud ko sa tubag sa ubang theists diri (yes, I'm looking at you nowpress* and treize). Hopefully they can shed light on that matter. Mao ni ang question:

"Isn't it an assumption that just because LOGIC is not bound by the material world, that a "supernatural" is authoring them? If so, how can you prove that this is true?"

Nia pa gyud diay:

What do theists use besides logic and reason to examine the truth?

I am more comfortable with the word "originated". Yes we can call it an assumption since the only way we can prove it is by presenting an argument based on logic and reason as well, yet it is still subject for scrutiny using logic and reason hence leading us to a never ending equation. Yes it is obvious that we're also using logic and reason to examine the truth, but besides that I have this "gut feeling" that natural world is not just for show. And I have gut a feeling that you have this one too, you just haven't notice it yet, or maybe you just simply don't believe in it that's why you're ignoring it.

Ever had an experience sometimes things seems so perfect but you suddenly just feel that something isn't right without seeing/noticing anything wrong?

I gave you my honest answer bro but you still left yanong_banikanhon's question un-answered. I was hoping that you will answer that honestly.

[treize]

You also have to understand the psychology behind Atheism.
Why do people become atheist.

I've known a lot of atheist personally.
And I came up with my own common factors on atheists.

1. They hate their fathers.
They question their father's judgment.
They found them too controlling.
They are too strict and too religious.

Dili man sad tingali tanan doc. Yes naay say daghan cases nga ingon ani peru dili sad tanan...

[archarist]

The God that I know doesn't need a vehicle to move around from point A to point B. Whatever describe in the Old Testament wasn't God, it was a misunderstood flesh-and-blood extraterrestrial whom out ancestors misinterpreted as being divine and supernatural. And why ? Because of misunderstood advance technology.
- Giorgio A.Tsoukalos
Publisher, LEGENDARY TIMES MAGAZINE.

[archarist]

The reason why I am convinced that sophisticated technology was utilized in these ancient rocks(Pyramids/mega structures) is because, if we go to a stone quarry today and look at the scope of machinery required to accomplish similar things, those machine are huge.
- Giorgio A.Tsoukalos
Publisher, LEGENDARY TIMES MAGAZINE.

[archarist]

The most tangible evidence regarding the possible extraterrestrial technology is
the "ancient stone-cutting techniques" because we ourselves today could not replicate what our ancestors allegedly accomplished with stonemasonry.
Giorgio A. Tsoukalos describes
Puma Punku(large temple complex located on high plateau in Bolivia, mainstream acheologists dated the site was from 200BC.)

- Giorgio A. Tsoukalos
Publisher, LEGENDARY TIMES MAGAZINE.

[tuffie09]

^ 3 reasons so far why u.s government isn't disclosing the issue.

they don't want to shake the very foundation of the fundamentalist.