MERGED: The Arab Spring

[ed168III]

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i consider u.s as big bro, if wala na sla, basin ang entire asean g invade na sa china, wil just pray dey wont collapse n grabe pud bisan bata patyon, apo ni gadfi

[reptoid]

No resources? tell it to the marines. So why concentrate the resources in Libya alone when Syria and Yemen are also critical to the security in the region and their people are dying as well? Nganong armas man sa Libya unya lip service lang ang Syria ug Yemen. Di ba, gipadungog nila sa kalibutan kaniadto that Syria was developing nuclear armaments. Well opportunity na kaayo ni sa NATO nga bombahan nila ang Syria and they have a good scapegoat.

I suggest bro you read a book by Michael Rupert "Crossing the RUbicon".

I don't think you appreciate how costly in terms of money and manpower military campaigns are. The allies are already heavily involved in Afghanistan and Iraq. They are spread thin and cannot commit any further. Surely you've heard Obama assure America that they will not put ground forces into Libya. Why would they spread themselves any thinner? They wouldn't because it would make them vulnerable to attack.

Syria and Yemen... I thought I'd explained already. At the time Libya was by far the most urgent situation. The assessment was that wholesale slaughter would ensue after Gadhafi stated "There'll be no mercy tonight" in Benghazi. Don't forget that Gadhafi is a cold-blooded murderer who has bombed civilian aircraft loaded with tourists. Killing thousands of his own people would be no big deal for a man like that.

[godwhacker]

I don't think you appreciate how costly in terms of money and manpower military campaigns are. The allies are already heavily involved in Afghanistan and Iraq. They are spread thin and cannot commit any further. Surely you've heard Obama assure America that they will not put ground forces into Libya. Why would they spread themselves any thinner? They wouldn't because it would make them vulnerable to attack.

Syria and Yemen... I thought I'd explained already. At the time Libya was by far the most urgent situation. The assessment was that wholesale slaughter would ensue after Gadhafi stated "There'll be no mercy tonight" in Benghazi. Don't forget that Gadhafi is a cold-blooded murderer who has bombed civilian aircraft loaded with tourists. Killing thousands of his own people would be no big deal for a man like that.

so it's very clear that the Khadaffy murderer mantra is just a pretext. How can one allocate vast resources over Libya and none to other troubled countries of the same region. Simple, Syria and Yemen doesn't have that much oil. American or other western nations actions wether in the name of humanitarian aid as they have claimed is just on the tip of the ice-berg. You don't know what is deep down below which is submerged. their actions are always dictated by their national interest as what one american official said. So what national interest does he refer to? It is obvious my friend just like Iraq, it's OIL.

And when you said about that time is was only LIbya... so now Syria and Yemen is on the scene. Time to prove to the world that it's humanitarian after all and not oil. By doing to some other troubled spots what they have done in LIbya and start targeting Syria and Yemen's tyrants, people will believe they don't have a hidden agenda.

[reptoid]

Again.... British and French already got their oil from Libya. They had nothing to gain and everything to lose from getting involved in a conflict.

Syria and Yemen will have to wait until Libya is resolved. The West doesn't have bottomless pockets and unlimited military despite what some believe. Here are costs involved in enforcing a no fly zone:

Fighter Jets fuel & related operational costs - 2.45 Million Pesos (per aircraft) PER HOUR.

Missiles - Between 56 & 70 Million Pesos EACH.

If a pilot is killed the cost to the RAF for training a replacement is approximately 280 Million. Pesos.

Now tell me... why would the Brits do this when they already get their oil from Libya? Maybe you should consider that their reasons were in fact sincere.

[godwhacker]

Again.... British and French already got their oil from Libya. They had nothing to gain and everything to lose from getting involved in a conflict.

Syria and Yemen will have to wait until Libya is resolved. The West doesn't have bottomless pockets and unlimited military despite what some believe. Here are costs involved in enforcing a no fly zone:

Fighter Jets fuel & related operational costs - 2.45 Million Pesos (per aircraft) PER HOUR.

Missiles - Between 56 & 70 Million Pesos EACH.

If a pilot is killed the cost to the RAF for training a replacement is approximately 280 Million. Pesos.

Now tell me... why would the Brits do this when they already get their oil from Libya? Maybe you should consider that their reasons were in fact sincere.

We have different perspectives on how we see it. You are viewing the top of the ice-berg while I'm viewing it from the bottom. As what I've said it is not the mere supply of the "physical oil" which France and Britain that is getting now from that country but the enormous business deals that goes with it if they are successful in getting rid of Khadaffy. And you are saying about Syria and Yemen can wait. How can you convince people when your left is doing one thing and the right doing another? Of course credibility suffers. Why, despite Afghanistan having no resource for oil, americans are there shedding blood and spending a lot of money to stabilize the country? Of course you will say -humanitarian reason. Well you are partly correct but this reason is last on the list. You may say they are hunting bin laden, of course you could be again partly right. But wait, Laden is now dead as what Washington says so we can expect that in a matter of time they will pull out of Afghanistan -bin Laden dead, mission finished. Taliban is kept at bay and Afghans can well fend off for themselves. If they will pull out sooner, then you are correct. If not, then what really is their agenda in Afghanistan despite shall we say it has zero oil?

When my nephew, a balikbayan, came home before the Holy week and we had a lenghty discussion about world affairs, (he's an analyst by the way working for a think tank in the US) he mentioned to me in passing about Afghanistan. And he mentioned about the Trans Afghan pipeline which was on the drawing board several years back. I was astounded. I have to scramble and read the book Crossing the Rubicon by Mike Ruppert again to understand more on the past history and underlying issues which probably what is happening now in the world and can only be attributable on one thing -OIL.

[Lord_Einaj]

LIBYA: A fresh air strike hit the rebel-held Libyan town of Brega amid fears of a new bid by troops loyal to strongman Moammar Gadhafi's regime to recapture the key oil port.

[account]

Nagka grabeh najd ni ang situation sa Libya dah. . .


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110608...flictrapeiccun

UNITED NATIONS (AFP) – Investigators have evidence that Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi ordered mass rapes and bought containers of *** drugs to encourage troops to attack women, the chief ICC prosecutor said Wednesday.

Luis Moreno-Ocampo said he may ask for a new charge of mass rape to be made against Kadhafi following the new evidence.

The International Criminal Court's chief prosecutor is expecting a decision from judges within days on his request for charges of crimes against humanity to be laid against the Libyan leader, one of his sons and his intelligence chief.

"Now we are getting some information that Kadhafi himself decided to rape and this is new," Moreno-Ocampo told reporters.

He said there were reports of hundreds of women attacked in some areas of Libya, which is in the grip of a months-long internal rebellion.

There was evidence the Libyan authorities bought "******-type" medicines and gave them to troops as part of the official rape policy, Moreno-Ocampo said.

"They were buying containers to enhance the possibility to rape women," he said.

"It was never the pattern he used to control the population. The rape is a new aspect of the repression. That is why we had doubts at the beginning, but now we are more convinced that he decided to punish using rape," the prosecutor said.

"It was very bad -- beyond the limits, I would say."

Kadhafi's regime had not previously been known for using rape as a weapon against political opponents and Moreno-Ocampo said he had to find evidence that the Libyan leader had given the order.

In March, a Libyan woman made international headlines when she entered a Tripoli hotel and said she had been raped by Kadhafi troops.

Iman al-Obeidi was detained but managed to escape from Libya. She ended up in Qatar but was deported back from there to rebel-held Libya. She is now resting at a refugee centre in Romania.

Moreno-Ocampo issued arrest warrants last month against Kadhafi, his son Seif al-Islam and intelligence chief Abdullah al-Sanussi. ICC judges are to announce in days whether they agree to the charges.

The Libyan government does not recognize the international court's jurisdiction.

[jaegermeister08]

toman cguro iya mga taw s way pg duha2 ani

[chryophobia]

kuyawa ane god... karon pako in-ane da...

[account]

toman cguro iya mga taw s way pg duha2 ani

mao jd bro. diritso jd report for duty basta kani nga task bah. hahay. hopefully ma end na nah ila civil war ddto.