Evangelicals/Reforms/Baptists/Born Again

[Soul Doctor]

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haha.. baka "labi" ibig mong sabihin hindi "nguso"

nangita ra gud na sila nga mo rhyme
sagdi na lang na.

basta ako wala koy relihiyon para walay makakwarta nga pastor or pari nako.

[d.a.m.a.s.o.]

If we go back to the beginning, we shall find that ignorance and fear created the gods; that fancy, enthusiasm, or deceit adorned them; that weakness worships them; that credulity preserves them and that custom, respect and tyranny support them in order to make the blindness of men serve their own interests. If the ignorance of nature gave birth to gods, the knowledge of nature is calculated to destroy them

"If we look back at the beginning we shall find that ignorance and fear created the gods; that fancy, enthusiasm, or deceit adorned or disfigured them; that weakness worships them; that credulity preserves them; and that custom, respect and tyranny support them, in order to make the blindness of man serve their own interest. If the ignorance of nature gave birth to Gods, the knowledge of nature is calculated to destroy them."

put quotations if it was from someone else

[ketllac]

@siodenz

Tubag:
-Nganu magtukod man ka ug AGRESIBONG Grupo? Magtukod ka ug laing Grupo mu challenge sa Gobyerno sa legal ug malinawung Pamaagi. Challenge the Govt during Election if nhan ka naay kausaban.

Kato nga pangutana related sa kinaiya sa imong founder (Martin Luther) nga sukwahi sa imong gipakitang tubag kay wa gyuy malinawung nabuhat ang pag kabulag bulag sa denominasyon tali sa mga kristiano. Ang bibliya nag encourage sa hiniusang pag too sa pag ingon ni Kristo nga tigumon niya ang iyaong mga karnero. Unya karon sa usa lang ka agresibong lakang sa imo founder nahimong nag bulag bulag ang mga kristiano nga murag uhong.

-Di na kinahanglan, pwedi ka makapuno sa kakulangun sa tarung nga paagi, Pwedi nimu pasabton ug tarung ang imung pamilya. Daghan malinawung paagi nga di muabot sa Pag rebelde.

Again imong founder walay kinaiya nga susama sa imong gipakita. Sa iyahang pag mugna ug laing sekta usa na lakang nga pag rebelde sa pag hatag ni kristo ug autoridad kang Peter hangtod sa mga kaparian.. Study history and you will know the truth.

again ang akong previous nga pangutana is just an analogy nga ang simbahan ni kristo usa ka dakong pamilya nga kun dunay kasaypanan ang mga ginikinan dili igong rason ang pag rebelde ug pag mugna ug laing pamilya. Sa laing bahin its a question of loyalty ug question sa utang kabubut-on sa imong ginikanan (Church Fathers).

Kanindot sa imong tubag. Sad to say ang imong gituuhan nga doktrina sukwahi sa imong mga panan -aw sa realidad. Sa imong mga tubag gibuhat ba na ni Luther, Calvin, Wesly, Smith, White, Quiboloy, Manalo, etc? kay historically usa ra ang simbahan. Laktod pag ka istoya kining mga tawhana oppurtunista nga nakakita lang sa kasaypanan sa pamunuan gihimong lang dayong puhunan ang religion.

Walay Pulos ang imung pagpasakop ug relihiyon if para nimu sayop ang Doctrina. Walay pulos ang pagpaminaw sa Doctina unya di diay ka musunod kay wa ka nituo.
-Matud pa sa Biblya, Dont Challenge God But challenge your Belief and challenge your Religion/Leaders para makita nimu ang Kamatuoran.

Sa imong gipakitang tubag gi challenge nimo si Kristo dili ang relihiyon kay si Kristo wala nag tukod ug relihiyon in the first place. Imong gi challenge ang apolostolic succession ug primacy ni Peter hangtod sa mga Popes sa bag-ong panahon kay historically and biblically Catholic church can be traced back from Benedict to Peter.
Walay pulos ang pagsakop sa relihiyon nga mugna o gikan sa pag rebelde o protesta sa inyong leader. Laktod pag ka istorya gi Challenge nimo si Kristo.

Lastly, UNITY does Not mean UNIFORMITY.

Truth about the kingdom of God is absolute and it's not relative. If you considered relative truth is absolute then it's self defeating idea. Sad to say there's no diversity in truth especially it pertains to the kingdom of God. There's only diversity in doctrines because your founder encourages private interpretation of the bible.

Unfortunately the idea that says " Lastly, UNITY does Not mean UNIFORMITY" is only acceptable to diversity of cultures in the world and also to non Christian sects. It also implies acceptance and respect of each other regardless of race, language and economic status but for the kingdom of God and doctrines is different thing because historically Christ only created one Church.

[ilovedogs]

salvation is not a popularity contest. dili ni padaghanay ug sakup, siguro ang uban mao nay gusto, kinsa mn pud dili gnahan managhan diba? nindot bya nang dghan pra mas bibo sa langit!

and akong comment sa mga haters - since mostly are catholics, and catholics read the bible (i hope dili ra inyong pare mubasa), dba ingon si jesus that the path of righteousness is narrow, so few enters it. lisud jd nang magkinabuhi according to christian teaching. kana lang i-love imong enemy lisud na kaau na. and so is giving tithes, but this is not required bya (well, at least sa amoa), naa mn ka option nga dili muhatag, depende ra gyud na nimo. kay kinsa gud tawn malipay kng muhatag ka unya labag diay sa inyong kagustuhan, dba? ako i dont give 10% tithes kay bug-atan ko, but i still give jst not to that extent but whatever amount im willing to give, im certain that it streams from the heart.

and i have to agree about anang muingon nga ila rang group malangit. mgkatawa ko, only those that do not understand real salvation would say something so silly. dili mana selective ang love sa Ginoo, it was never meant to be enjoyed by a certain group ONLY.

[nijazared]

para nako wala nalang untay hilabtanay! ngadji mog inyo diha, ngadji sadmi og amoa...ang kaapan sa ubang relihiyon kay mang dani og mangumbinsi, ilad ilad pa ang style.....kaning mga relihiyon nga bagong sibol kay they need MONEY gyud, ila lang gamiton ang GINOO para if maganahan ka, mohatag dayon kag sobre......if sa katoliko, if dili ko mohatag sa sibot, wala man problema...depende ra unta sa tao kun mohatag siya sa iyang grasya nga nadawat.....kun buot sad hunahunaon pareha rata tanan sa sakto og sayop, wala lang hilabtanay, pinamay man sad ning uban relihiyon gud....sila ra daw maluwas...pag chure oi!

Suggest lng nko bro be specific kung unsa nga relihiyon ang mangumbinsi then ilad ilad ug style, sure man jud kaha ka kung unsa to nga relihiyon so say the name para makadefend kung kinsa man gani apil ana nga relihiyon. Same goes for your statements na "kaning mga relihiyon nga bagong sibol kay they need MONEY gyud." Specify para makahibaw sad ta sa side sa ila story.

Ask lang pod ko, whenever you ask a priest to conduct services for i.e baptism, funeral service, is it true that they have a fee?

[roddel]

haha.. baka "labi" ibig mong sabihin hindi "nguso"

pareho din po iyun
saan ba ang nguso?

[redhorse1L]

salvation is not a popularity contest. dili ni padaghanay ug sakup, siguro ang uban mao nay gusto, kinsa mn pud dili gnahan managhan diba? nindot bya nang dghan pra mas bibo sa langit!

and akong comment sa mga haters - since mostly are catholics, and catholics read the bible (i hope dili ra inyong pare mubasa), dba ingon si jesus that the path of righteousness is narrow, so few enters it. lisud jd nang magkinabuhi according to christian teaching. kana lang i-love imong enemy lisud na kaau na. and so is giving tithes, but this is not required bya (well, at least sa amoa), naa mn ka option nga dili muhatag, depende ra gyud na nimo. kay kinsa gud tawn malipay kng muhatag ka unya labag diay sa inyong kagustuhan, dba? ako i dont give 10% tithes kay bug-atan ko, but i still give jst not to that extent but whatever amount im willing to give, im certain that it streams from the heart.

and i have to agree about anang muingon nga ila rang group malangit. mgkatawa ko, only those that do not understand real salvation would say something so silly. dili mana selective ang love sa Ginoo, it was never meant to be enjoyed by a certain group ONLY.

We are talking here of the view of fundamentalists.
Instead the usual Catholic bashing, fundamentalists are now in the hot seat.

The next topic is all about Sola Scriptura.
How about you, why believe in Sola Scriptura when NOWHERE in the bible says about Bible Alone. ?

[ilovedogs]

We are talking here of the view of fundamentalists.
Instead the usual Catholic bashing, fundamentalists are now in the hot seat.

The next topic is all about Sola Scriptura.
How about you, why believe in Sola Scriptura when NOWHERE in the bible says about Bible Alone. ?

Fundamentalists do not believe in Sola Scriptura. They believe in SOLO Scriptura. ^_^ and the ones mentioned on this thread's subject are (i think*) not fundamentalists. hehe

and to answer your question, we believe in sola scriptura because the scripture is the only final and infallible truth for christian living. it doesnt necessarily mean that the scripture is the only truth, but we are SURE that it's infallible. to err is human, right? so anything that comes from man (in your case your pope), could not be what the Lord trully wills. it could be right but it could also be wrong. thus, it's not necessarily the CERTAIN truth so why should we entrust our faith on something so indefinite?

[ketllac]

@ilovedogs

and to answer your question, we believe in sola scriptura because the scripture is the only final and infallible truth for christian living.

The statement that says bible is the only final truth is incorrect because according to the bible in Timothy 3;15 says that the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. However the statement that says its infallible is correct. The only thing that makes it incorrect is the word "ONLY". Why protestant churches fond of using the word "only" to the extent that it sounds Christians are the only special people in the universe.

it doesnt necessarily mean that the scripture is the only truth, but we are SURE that it's infallible.

In this statement we can say that the bible can talk and can interpret by itself without a reader and interpreter subject to errors. Its the same as saying that the constitution can interpret by itself and can govern the country without the constitutional commission and supreme court. Now if that is the case why there are so many conflicting doctrines in the Protestant churches.

Do you think that bible will interpret by itself without an interpreter or authority ? If its self explanatory, why protestant/evangelical churches have different interpretations of the alleged self explanatory message from the book?

Let me give you a bunch of contradicting doctrines from protestant who believe the bible is self perspicuous and self interpreting;

1. Why protestant churches don't agree about the requirements of baptism?

2. Why protestant churches don't believe the importance of priesthood but others do?

3. Why protestant churches have different views or stands about contraception?

4.Why other protestant churches don't believe about eternal damnation but others do?

5. Why protestant churches don't have a uniform doctrine about same *** marriage?


Who deviated the true teachings of the bible among the protestant sects? and what churches among the evangelicals/protestants teach infallible doctrines from the bible. I challenge you name it.

to err is human, right? so anything that comes from man (in your case your pope), could not be what the Lord trully wills. it could be right but it could also be wrong. thus, it's not necessarily the CERTAIN truth so why should we entrust our faith on something so indefinite?

straw man. The infallibility of the pope is only pertains to faith and morals aspect but doesn't include everything outside of it. The truth about Christianity is certain in the sense that it was established and revealed to the apostles. Christ then entrusted Peter to establish a Church and give the keys of the kingdom. The Catholic Church' time line can be traced back from the present pope to the time of Peter. Since the Catholic church has entrusted and has an apostolic succession ,that reason alone validates the infallibility of the pope.

[nealotol]

mao ni siya ang present nga mga nahitabo sa atong nasod karon.. daghan na kaau nag mga relihiyon,, nag libog nata kung unsa jud ang tinood,, pero sa ako lang opinyon, kung unsa imong namat an nga relihiyon mao nalang na imong tuhu an,, kay para naku maski katoliko kapa or iglesia, or protestante, para naku usa ray atong ginoo.. dili ni ikalalis ug dili sad ni siya ikapanghambog..