Evangelicals/Reforms/Baptists/Born Again

[JENY198]

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Oh no, nituyok nasad ta. Ako nalang i-summarize para sayon sabton akong gusto ipasabot.

Again, we are saved by the Grace of God. And is available to all who accept the grace.

True, we cannot be saved just because of our own works. Dili na pwede tigumon nimo ka-pila ka niadto sa outreach programs, then mao na imong justification for your salvation.

That is why, faith is needed for us to receive the graces, and dili lang kay faith nga naa ra sa utok. It should be a living faith.

It's like this, you ask God for graces para dili na ka maka-panaut sa imong isigka-tawo. With humility in prayer, you accepted God's grace. But is it enough? If wala na mo mag-tagad atong tawhana, then dapat mo-approach ka niya to reconcile (that is an example of good works). Dili hipocrito nga beso2x, pero tinuod-anay jud nga forgiveness and forgetting the past. Or treat him/her to dinner.

That's what a living faith is.

When James exhorts the early Christians concerning faith and works he means our faith in view of justification before men. James Chapter 2 was addressed to the already saved people, naluwas na daan because of faith, wala ni niya gi address sa mga luwasonon pa or unbeliever. He never contradicts what apostle Paul says in Ephesians 2:8-9, For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

When a sinner put his faith in the works of Christ at the Cross he is saved and justified before God. But is he justified before men? Nahimo na ba siyang matarong atubangan sa mga taw? Not yet, he still has to show his faith through works. Why? Because people does not see a saved persons heart. This is why James rebuke the early Christians who profess that they are saved but their salvation is not evident in their lives. Mao ni gipasabot ni James when he says not by faith alone but also of works. A saved person also has to be justified before men as a testimony of his salvation. James scolded the early Christian for being so idle in doing good works when they are already saved.

The result of a truly saved person is always good work. Why because according to the Bible "2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!" Naay change of mind, change of hearts and spirit. Does good works follow automatically right after you become saved? Pwede naa dayon, pwede dili dayon mo manifest, why? Because naay stages, a new Christian is still considered a babe in Christ. He has to be fed with spiritual milk first, until mo mature na siya. 1 Peter 2: 2 Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation.

When the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas: Acts 16:30-31 “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household. Faith or Believed lang ang giingon ni Paul.

If salvation is faith plus good works, we would be frustrated, because we will never measure up to God's standard. You can follow the 9 out of 10 commandments, still ma error ka sa usa, consider gihapon na nga failed/did not pass God's standard of holiness/missing the mark/fallen short of God's glory.
James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Verses below that our salvation or justification before God should only be by faith and apart from good works:

Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."
Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"
Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith."
Rom. 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
Gal. 2:21, I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.
Gal.3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
Gal. 3:24, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
Eph. 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. 9Not by works, lest any man should boast."
Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."

[redhorse1L]

This is why James rebuke the early Christians who profess that they are saved but their salvation is not evident in their lives. Mao ni gipasabot ni James when he says not by faith alone but also of works. A saved person also has to be justified before men as a testimony of his salvation. James scolded the early Christian for being so idle in doing good works when they are already saved.

Why testify when you are already saved man kaha? So, pakitang-tao ra diay na good works sa inyo?

I'll give a practical question.
When someone you don't know is lying on the street, badly need help..
Duha ra ang pili-an:
1) Maluoy ka, and go on your way, pray for his recovery..
or
2) Maluoy ka, approach the person, help him, call the ambulance, and pray for his recovery.

Now, since naa naman ka True Faith, do you think automatic maka-buhat dayon ka sa option 2? Or pwede ra option 1, kay saved naman ka, just being "idle" with good works.

Remember, sa inyong philosophy:
Cause = True Faith
Effect = Good works

[malic_2]

When James exhorts the early Christians concerning faith and works he means our faith in view of justification before men. James Chapter 2 was addressed to the already saved people, naluwas na daan because of faith, wala ni niya gi address sa mga luwasonon pa or unbeliever. He never contradicts what apostle Paul says in Ephesians 2:8-9, For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Romans, Ephesians, Colossians were all addressed to the already saved people. No point in saying that James was for the already saved people.

James 2 was an explanation how man is justified through works and no by faith alone.

When a sinner put his faith in the works of Christ at the Cross he is saved and justified before God. But is he justified before men? Nahimo na ba siyang matarong atubangan sa mga taw? Not yet, he still has to show his faith through works. Why? Because people does not see a saved persons heart. This is why James rebuke the early Christians who profess that they are saved but their salvation is not evident in their lives. Mao ni gipasabot ni James when he says not by faith alone but also of works. A saved person also has to be justified before men as a testimony of his salvation. James scolded the early Christian for being so idle in doing good works when they are already saved.

everything about this statement is wrong. produce fruits in accordance to repentance, isnt that what the bible said in Matthew? so clearly we need to prove our faith by our works before God. who tested Abraham? was it men? no it was God, God tested his faith through works. your statement is another manipulation to led men astray from the real intention of James.

The result of a truly saved person is always good work. Why because according to the Bible "2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!" Naay change of mind, change of hearts and spirit. Does good works follow automatically right after you become saved? Pwede naa dayon, pwede dili dayon mo manifest, why? Because naay stages, a new Christian is still considered a babe in Christ. He has to be fed with spiritual milk first, until mo mature na siya. 1 Peter 2: 2 Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation.

with or without faith man can produce good works.

When the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas: Acts 16:30-31 “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household. Faith or Believed lang ang giingon ni Paul.

because mentioning good work would be redundant. anyone knows that for you to be accepted by God you need to perform good works and besides those Jailers believed in other deity. thus he said believe in the Lord Jesus.

If salvation is faith plus good works, we would be frustrated, because we will never measure up to God's standard. You can follow the 9 out of 10 commandments, still ma error ka sa usa, consider gihapon na nga failed/did not pass God's standard of holiness/missing the mark/fallen short of God's glory.
James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

wrong analogy. that's why you need faith. according to the bible Jesus is your sacrificial lamb.

Verses below that our salvation or justification before God should only be by faith and apart from good works:

Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."
Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"
Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith."
Rom. 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
Gal. 2:21, I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.
Gal.3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
Gal. 3:24, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
Eph. 2:8-9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. 9Not by works, lest any man should boast."
Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."

yeah but you need to balanced it with James.

[redhorse1L]

Actually, tungod man gud neh nilang Calvin / Luther nag-start ang Sola Fide.

They were frustrated by the Medieval Church's indulgences nga murag nahimo na ug negosyo.
And people are already practicing Pelagiarism, believing that their donations are enough for them to buy their way to salvation.

Naa sad good side atong pag-revolt nila.. At least naka-amgo ang Simbahan nga gi-abuse na ang indulgences.
However, nasobraan sad nila, instead of work alone, ingon sad sila faith alone. Which is dili gihapon sakto.

Naa pa gali to ni-attempt ug remove sa bible ang book of James on the 15th century.
Naay King James version ato nga gibutang nalang sa appendix ang Book of James.

[SioDenz]

Ang katong gi-lansang nangayo to cya ug pasaylo, a very deep repentance.. If wala pa to cya mamatay ug dayon.. Dapat ipadayon to niya ang iyang repentance by reclaming all the bad deeds he has done (Just like the tax collector). Pero, kung mo-balik nasad cya sa iyang pagka-inamaw, alangan man sad adto gihapon paraiso..

See, you just proved nga naay instance nga naka angkon siya ug true faith pero wala na siya time pagbuhat ug Good works after that kay namatay nman. So asa man run ang good works nga requirements imu pasabot? Hagbong siya ana nga criteria? Ayaw ko ingna ang repentance Good Works nah under sa Description as Living Faith.

Nya 2nd question, since tanan tawo man nakasala ug nawad an ug Himaya sa Dios - Dunay Passing criteria imung Good works as requirements? Pila man ka good works dapat mabuhat sa tawo against sa iyang mga sala if ang Good works requirements man diay?

Tanan tawo nakasala ug nawad an ug Himaya sa Dios - Naa diay nawad an ug Himaya nga maluwas? Nganu maluwas man? Tungod sa Gasa sa kaluwasan nga gihatag sa Dios.

Duna diay requirements ang Gasa?

[malic_2]

Actually, tungod man gud neh nilang Calvin / Luther nag-start ang Sola Fide.

They were frustrated by the Medieval Church's indulgences nga murag nahimo na ug negosyo.
And people are already practicing Pelagiarism, believing that their donations are enough for them to buy their way to salvation.

Naa sad good side atong pag-revolt nila.. At least naka-amgo ang Simbahan nga gi-abuse na ang indulgences.
However, nasobraan sad nila, instead of work alone, ingon sad sila faith alone. Which is dili gihapon sakto.

Naa pa gali to ni-attempt ug remove sa bible ang book of James on the 15th century.
Naay King James version ato nga gibutang nalang sa appendix ang Book of James.

nangita lang gyud to sila og rasson gud haron ang mga faithfuls mo sunod nila. then si Luther gi add ang word nga ALONE .

[redhorse1L]

See, you just proved nga naay instance nga naka angkon siya ug true faith pero wala na siya time pagbuhat ug Good works after that kay namatay nman. So asa man run ang good works nga requirements imu pasabot? Hagbong siya ana nga criteria? Ayaw ko ingna ang repentance Good Works nah under sa Description as Living Faith.

You still don't get it.. When you repent, you recall all your wrongdoings and promise not to do it again. Kanang pag-basol nimo, pasabot imong gi-saad nga dili na ka mag-usab. Or course, unsaon man pag-balik sa kagahapon anang naa na sa kamatayon?

Nya 2nd question, since tanan tawo man nakasala ug nawad an ug Himaya sa Dios - Dunay Passing criteria imung Good works as requirements? Pila man ka good works dapat mabuhat sa tawo against sa iyang mga sala if ang Good works requirements man diay?

Tanan tawo nakasala ug nawad an ug Himaya sa Dios - Naa diay nawad an ug Himaya nga maluwas? Nganu maluwas man? Tungod sa Gasa sa kaluwasan nga gihatag sa Dios.

Duna diay requirements ang Gasa?

Again, imo nasad gi-quantify kung pila ka good works.
Wala jud ko mag-sulti nga the more you do outreach programs, you will be saved. I never said that.

What I'm saying that your faith should be accompanied by good works. And dili ka maghulat kung kanus-a mo take-effect True faith para makahimo ka ug good works.

If you're struggling with your marriage, pray to God for guidance (ask for graces ), at the same time, talk to your partner, with humility and openness.. Bring her to dinner. If naa ka 3rd party or ma-temp permi sa night clubs or any vices, pray for purity, ask for graces .. At the same time, ayaw na ug engage ug barkada nga bad influence.

If you're hook with it, dali ra sultihon, pero lisud buhaton. That is why we need God's grace to help us achieve it.

But if after pila ka-months nibalik nasad ka sa imong bisyo. Wagtang nasad ka sa state of grace.. Alangan man sad ug "saved" gihapon ka nga nibalik naman sad ka sa imong kabit..

[malic_2]

its easy to say I have Faith. Pero kong walay good works dako kaayong problema na.

nganong gi test man lagi si Abraham? nganong gi test man lagi si Adam and Eve? was having faith enough? and who tested them was it the people ? wa pa may tao sa panahon ni Adam, unya di pod tao ang nitawag ni Abraham haron e sacrifice si Isaac.

[THE SKULLS]

patay ning mga tax collector. mao diay ni gipahinungdan sa bibliya. paghinulsul BIR.
bitaw, Golden Rule lang gud unta.
Buotan man si Jesus ba, ato na lang sundon iya style.

[redhorse1L]

Analogy:

A man walking at night on a mountain suddenly slipped off, fell from a cliff, and was able to hold a small branch of a tree sprouting from a cliff. After heartily praying to God, he heard a voice saying: "Child, do you really believe me?" . The man said, "Yes God, I believe in you with all my heart". Then the voice says: "Then let go of the branch". The man was confused and afraid to let go cause He might die. But with faith, he let go and found out that the ground was just 3 feet from where he clinged to..

That is what you call faith and works..