Evangelicals/Reforms/Baptists/Born Again

[beowulf]

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ipakwenta una og balik ang end of the world ani nila beh, kay nasipyat man ang may 21 nga panag-an

[ketllac]

@Kenshiro

are they really biblical.

-The thing that evangelicals adhere to sola fide is unbiblical. It is not biblical because most of them say it is automatic that good works will follow if you have faith. Based on what I've said how can you say that faith will give you a guarantee to have an effortless lives free from sin if a believers of this doctrine backslide. It is not biblical to follow sola fide and its also evident in our society that some claims to have a genuine faith but still commit grievous sin. This is because genuine faith should be supported with good works.

. why are we so judgemental? Are we so judgemental to the point that Generalizing christians even innocent members of the church will have the same fate as those crimminal false christians or pastors.

No, you didn't get what I am referring to. This is not about generalization. My replies was a response to the idea that faith will give you an effortless lives free from grievous sin. That is why I gave the reality that sola fide won't give you an automatic good works. LOGICALLY, its not generalization because I used the word "some" by saying "to the extent that some are criminals, to the extent some are serial killers". . You can only say that it is a generalization if your using "all". Again check your comment.

The thing here is Why are you so sure they are following the Bible?

They are not following the bible. First Evangelicals adhere sola fide but bible tell us otherwise. Evangelicals only paying attention to the verses that suit the sola fide doctrine but reject others verse that contradicts. Second reason that some are not following the bible because they believe that sola fide can give them extra power to be righteous christian free from grievous sin but it turns out to be false because it is evident that some even failed to follow the bible and even failed to follow the law. That is why I gave an example that some evangelicals claim to have righteous lives free from sin by following the doctrine but some are even salawayon sa society to the extent that some are criminals. How can you justify their faith? sa sige ba ug singit singit diha sa kanto dala dala ug sibot nya ang kinabuhi dili christiano. Simple ra aron ma justify nga genuine imo faith kang christ then supportahe sa maayong buhat.

[d.a.m.a.s.o.]

Can faith alone save us?

Best BIBLICAL explanation we can get:

Can faith alone save us? Part 1
Can faith alone save us? Part 2
Can faith alone save us? Part 3
Can faith alone save us? Part 4
Can faith alone save us? Part 5

[ketllac]

@siodenz

please give me exact verse from James.

Saktu jud ka anang living faith nimu bro, mao bitaw na ni swak jud na sa gina ingun nga Good works is a manifestation of True Faith. so if naa ka Faith mu resulta na ug good works. Cause and effect bah - CAUSE=True Faith, EFFECT=Good works. So why mentioned or require the effects if sure ka nga if i require ra nimu ang Cause alone mugawas jud nang Effect.

yeah living faith nga giingon ni redhorse is kanang duha ang mag uban faith and good works.

faith lang doenst mean nga mo resulta dayon kay ang tawo mo backslide pa ug kanang backslide naa sad na sa bible.

Klaru nman kaayu nang can be saved by Faith and Not by works, ni agree nman ka ana nganu mangita paman ka lain verse?

check ra gud ni..

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” -Ephesians 2:8,9 (all quotations will be taken from the KJV)


"You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone," (James 2:24)


i reconcile ta ni..

Ang gi mean ani nga kinahanglang duha ang mag uban.
--ang gi mean sa Ephesian nga kung work ra dili pwede
--ang gi pasabot sa James nga kong faith lang dili pwede
--sola means only or alone--now tan-awa kuno ang Efeso kung naa bay only or faith alone diha aron maka suporta sa sola fide nga doctrina
--tan awa sad sa James kung naa bay works only diha.
-di ba duha ang mogawas nga requirements sa salvation base sa atong pag considera sa duha ka verses.

--Mogawas ani nga conclusion nga ang faith mahimong genuine kung imo puy -an ug mahimong genuine o kristiano ang imo mga buhat kung dili para sa kaugalingon lamang ang award kundi imo igasa ngadto sa Ginoo, mao nay gitawag nga living faith.
--ang gibuhat sa mga evangelicals nga usa ra ang kinahanglang tagaag pag tagad kay walay labot si James. Kalooy ni James gi salikway sa protestant. Unya SOLA SCRIPTURA NI?

--dili ni siya mahimong cause ang faith ug effect ang good works kay daghang man tawo nga naay faith but wala man napuy-an ang ila pag too. unya naa man sad mga tawo nga dili Kristiano pero Kristiano pa ang binuhatan. sa gikaingon ko pa nga dili automatic or it doenst follow nga naa kay pag too mobuhat dayon kag maayong buhat kay daghang kristianong salawayon. Sa logic pa ni NON SEQUITOR..
--mogawas nga conclusion ani nga ang duha dili pwede i separate kay ang duha puros importante.


ing ani diay ning istilo sa evangelicals nga ang unsays mo suit sa doctrina ni LUther nga iyang gi imbento mao ra tagaan pag tagad.


so unsa man tong gilansang nga dautan kuyog ni kristo iya gi ingnan kuyog niya sa paraiso, iyang na praktis iyang LIVING FAITH atu?
Ayaw i negate ang sentence bro, i said

sa gikaingon nako nga dili kinahanglan nga dakong achievements sa humanity aron matawag nga living faith kay kitang tanan dili pareha ug kakayahan, unfair ni sa walay grado as an example. katong gilansang sa krus naa syay gibuhat siodenz katong pag rebuke niya sa iyang kauban nga nag yaga yaga ni Kristo nga kung anak man sa siya Ginoo luwasa imo kaugalingon. Sa pag rebuke lang sa usa ka kawatan ngadto sa iyahang kaubang kawatan nga nag yaga yaga is already considered a good work kay iyang gi pronounce ang iyang faith at the same time.

[ketllac]

@siodenz

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” -Ephesians 2:8,9 (all quotations will be taken from the KJV)

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sabta ang verse pag ayo for by grace .....it is the gift......
so ang mogawas ang pinaka una nga cause nga imong giingon sa salvation is Grace. Kini nag pasabot nga ang grasya sa ginoo maoy nag hatag ug nag move nato nga mo participate sa iyang gasa nga kaluwasan. in return kita motou (faith) and then mobuhat (good works)

--di ba ang mogawas nga teacing considering two verses from St. James and epistle ni Pau to Ephesians is both of them are requirements.

--imo cause and effect ni fail kay ang una diha ang grasya (sola gracia) dili faith. giingon lang diha through faith but walay word nga alone... Buot pasabot nga dili nato unhan ang ginoo sa iyang pag luwas sa katapusang adlaw kay after all syay mag buot. However aron klaro unsay buhaton sa tawo aron maluwas so gitagaan tag requirements mao faith and good works aron mosuporta o mo justify sa imo faith. Di ba ma reconcile nato both verses sa bible kang James ug Kang Paul...?

Comprehension problem lang siguro ni sa evangelicals/protestant...

[pinoy_09]

I'd rather do good because it's good and not because I can guarantee myself a place in heaven.

[redhorse1L]

please give me exact verse from James.

Saktu jud ka anang living faith nimu bro, mao bitaw na ni swak jud na sa gina ingun nga Good works is a manifestation of True Faith. so if naa ka Faith mu resulta na ug good works. Cause and effect bah - CAUSE=True Faith, EFFECT=Good works. So why mentioned or require the effects if sure ka nga if i require ra nimu ang Cause alone mugawas jud nang Effect.

Klaru nman kaayu nang can be saved by Faith and Not by works, ni agree nman ka ana nganu mangita paman ka lain verse?

Ang inyo man gud nga belief is that, once naay True Faith, then that's it.. Maka-himo na dayon ug Good works, then dili na maka-himo ug dautan. Sure, Grace can make you do good deeds, but dapat naa participation ang tawo.

We have our own freewill, we can accept the grace now, and reject it later, at our own freewill.

Again dili lang plain works (inihap), or plain Faith (ampo2x, kanta2x).. Dapat Faith and Works.

so unsa man tong gilansang nga dautan kuyog ni kristo iya gi ingnan kuyog niya sa paraiso, iyang na praktis iyang LIVING FAITH atu?
Ayaw i negate ang sentence bro, i said

Ang katong gi-lansang nangayo to cya ug pasaylo, a very deep repentance.. If wala pa to cya mamatay ug dayon.. Dapat ipadayon to niya ang iyang repentance by reclaming all the bad deeds he has done (Just like the tax collector). Pero, kung mo-balik nasad cya sa iyang pagka-inamaw, alangan man sad adto gihapon paraiso..

[redhorse1L]

Wala pa ju'y ni-tubag nga fundamentalists akong pangutana.

Why believe in FAITH ALONE when the BIBLE says NOT by FAITH ALONE?

[malic_2]

James 2:
Faith and Deeds
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

- Jesus was referring to people who CLAIMS to have Faith pero wala nakita sa ilang buhat, meaning If and Faith is Not accompanied by action, its Dead - Meaning NOT A True Faith in God.

oh please quote the whole chapter.

mao lagi importane ang works to prove your faih kay sige ka ingon naa kay faith pero walay works unsa may polos ana, so again importante ang works.

kamo sige mo og sulti nga faith ra gyud walay deeds, kay gibuhat na tanan ni hesus wa na tay part. kana diay FAITH ka kinsa diay na nga work? gikan man ang faith sa ato. kita may mopakita(work) nga naa tay pagtoo.

[malic_2]

+1 for ketlac
+1 for redhorse