Evangelicals/Reforms/Baptists/Born Again

[necrotic freak]

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Compilers and Interpreters are different things. Compilers and writers are also different things.
It doesnt mean nga ikaw nag compile ikaw ray dunay authority or knowledge to interpret.

I believe that we are created equal by God, i believe if unsa capacity sa utok atung imung gi ingun Compilers, mao ra sad atong utok, so if kahibalo sila musabot, kahibalo sad ta musabot sa teachings ni Kristo. - they did Not write the Book in the first place.

Why man ang gipili ni Kristo nga mga apostles gikan man sa ordinaroy/Kinaubsang level sa Society? fishermen? ordinaryong tawo? nganu ang so called founder sa catholic religion ordinaryong tawo man nga gihimu ni kristo nga Apostol to lead millions of people? - isa ray rasun ana pagpakita nga tanan pwedi mamahimung sumusunod ni kristo ug tanan pwedi makasabot sa iyang pulong bisag way compilers.

mao nang nagkatibula-ag mo mga protestante kay wala moy authority nga nag dala. iyahay lang mo ug interpret sa inyong gusto.

[malic_2]

Faith alone kay if naa kay true Faith Automatic na mubuhat jud ka ug tarung..

i don't believe in this. Remember the verse that says "did we not prophesy in your name...did we not heal in your name...etc etc....then he said depart from me i never knew you.

faith producing good works cannot be the basis for attaining Salvation. I rather go to James. where there it says that man is justified by works and not on faith alone.

[JENY198]

Wow! never in the bible said about faith alone.
Naa nuon "NOT by faith alone".

Ang misconception man gud aneh, fundamentalists think that Catholics believe that we are saved by are own works. That is a heresy authored by Pelagius, thinking that we can go to heaven by our own hardworks.

That is why, salvation should be "SOLA GRATIA". Saved by grace alone. Through LIVING FAITH. Dili kay shagit2x ra ka ug "I AM SAVED". Dapat, tinud-anay na imong faith. And James gave us examples of those living faith. Dili hypocrito nga hatag2x ug tithes, or hypocrito nga ampo2x, kanta2x.

Tell me fundamentalists, why believe in something that is NOT written in the Bible?

Salvation cannot be of faith and works. Otherwise we would boast. We would boast nga naluwas ta pinaagi sa Gihimo ni Kristo didto sa Krus ug sa atong kaugalingong pagkamatarong. This is not the kind of Salvation that the bible teaches us.

As you have said we are saved by grace and this grace of salvation can only be obtained if we have faith in Jesus. If we are saved because of Grace, then it should only be through faith and not of works. Grace is not grace kung mo work pa ta para maluwas.

Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

If we claim that our good works can add to our salvation, it's like taking the credit of what JESUS did on the cross for us.

[JENY198]

Not including works as the basis of our salvation simply means Salvation is by faith alone bisan dili pa na mabasa word by word diha. The principle or the doctrine is in the Bible.

[malic_2]

Salvation cannot be of faith and works. Otherwise we would boast. We would boast nga naluwas ta pinaagi sa Gihimo ni Kristo didto sa Krus ug sa atong kaugalingong pagkamatarong. This is not the kind of Salvation that the bible teaches us.

As you have said we are saved by grace and this grace of salvation can only be obtained if we have faith in Jesus. If we are saved because of Grace, then it should only be through faith and not of works. Grace is not grace kung mo work pa ta para maluwas.

Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

If we claim that our good works can add to our salvation, it's like taking the credit of what JESUS did on the cross for us.

let me say something...

you say salvation cannot be of faith and works then you are opposing the bible. James is very clear that man is justified by works and not on faith alone.

[redhorse1L]

Faith alone kay if naa kay true Faith Automatic na mubuhat jud ka ug tarung.

What? ngiga gud? You mean dili na ka makasala? Kay naa na ka True Faith?

ako i suwat ang binisaya:

2:8 Kay tungod sa grasya kamo nangaluwas pinaagi sa pagtoo; ug kini dili sa inyong kaugalingong kahimoan, kini hatag sa Dios--
2:9 dili tungod sa mga binuhatan aron walay bisan kinsa nga magapasigarbo.

-"Ug kini dili sa inyong kaugalingong kahimoan, kini hatag sa Dios" - klaru kaayu nga DILI sa atung KAHIMUAN kay HATAG sa DIOS meaning Gift.
-nya unsaon man nimu pag justify nga ni ingun man sa Bibliya nga ang TANAN nakasala ug nawad-an ug Himaya sa DIOS. If ang imung requirements GOOD works pa hagbong na daan kay tanan nakasala man - unless naa kay ikapakita nga naay Pass/Fail criteria ang good works.
- Mao bitaw ang tawo maluwas ra if hatagan sa GASA sa kaluwasan, nya hatagan ka sa GASA if naay kay Tinuod nga PAgtuo.


2:9 dili tungod sa mga binuhatan aron walay bisan kinsa nga magapasigarbo. - Mao bitaw ni ako gi mean nga nganu wala gihimu ang Good works as Requirements kay tungod ani nga sitwasyun - nga Pwedi mubuhat an tawo ug Tarung kay nag huna huna siya maluwas bisag wala siya Tinuod nga FAITH. If naay sitwasyun nga Sama ani then ang teaching ni Kristo dili Perfect kay Dunay chance nga mahitabo ni. And i believe the God teachings are perfect so if the doctrine has some flaws or situation nga magka flaw then its not the correct doctrine for me.

Going back to Eph. I agree with what the verses say.
We are saved Grace, through faith, and NOT of our own.
Grace is a gift from God. But as a person with freewill, you can accept or reject such gift.

Through faith, we can have received these graces. But again, what kind of faith? Kanang sige lang Alleluiah, Praise the Lord, Clap your hands?

That is why James clearly defined it as a "living faith".

You don't seem to understand my question. My question is. Why say FAITH ALONE when the Bible Says OTHERWISE?

[malic_2]

Not including works as the basis of our salvation simply means Salvation is by faith alone bisan dili pa na mabasa word by word diha. The principle or the doctrine is in the Bible.

but the bible said that...man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

[redhorse1L]

Salvation cannot be of faith and works. Otherwise we would boast. We would boast nga naluwas ta pinaagi sa Gihimo ni Kristo didto sa Krus ug sa atong kaugalingong pagkamatarong. This is not the kind of Salvation that the bible teaches us.

As you have said we are saved by grace and this grace of salvation can only be obtained if we have faith in Jesus. If we are saved because of Grace, then it should only be through faith and not of works. Grace is not grace kung mo work pa ta para maluwas.

Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

If we claim that our good works can add to our salvation, it's like taking the credit of what JESUS did on the cross for us.

Wanna know an example of boasting?
When someone says he/she is already saved and the other guy is doomed to hell.

You say "Salvation cannot be of faith and works". Are you contradicting what James say?

[necrotic freak]

Not including works as the basis of our salvation simply means Salvation is by faith alone bisan dili pa na mabasa word by word diha. The principle or the doctrine is in the Bible.

mao ni inyo JEn sa, "Once saved always save" ?

[redhorse1L]

Not including works as the basis of our salvation simply means Salvation is by faith alone bisan dili pa na mabasa word by word diha. The principle or the doctrine is in the Bible.

The problem is naay mabasa WORD FOR WORD nga "NOT by FAITH ALONE"..