Trespasses on the English LAnguage

[anniepetilla]

these make me cringe whenever i hear them, and it takes all of my willpower not to correct people who commit the crimes...

- it's your lost
-been there, been that
- using whatsoever in lieu of whatever
-your instead of you're
-for a while, - that is so wrong
-i'll go ahead...as in mauna na ako...the correct way to use that phrase is when you're stating something that you're about to do,like:i'll go ahead and check it for you. and not just leaving ahead of everybode else. filipinism, according to call center accent and speech trainers.
-misuse of prepositions- in, on, at
-errors on tenses..i actually saw this sign inside a university i won't name: Exams going on. Please do notrearranged the chairs. or this oneid you engaged in extra-curricular activities?
-this is singular. use 'these' when referring to plural subjects. puh-lease.
- saying ka-classmate, ka workmate, ka-boardmate. redundancy, and nuff said.
irregardless-makalagot gyud ani!
not unless- double negatives
using about after mentioned. the verb mentioned can stand alone, unless you say mentioned something, then you can follow it up with about. mentioned something about.you mentioned politics. not you mentioned about politics. that grates on my ear.
mura gyud kog na-violate whenever i hear that, and on national tv, no less!


your list.

[rockart9]

you know these things never really bothered me.

I used to go to an all-girls school and there were these group of girls (we can go ahead and call them the Plastics) who'd bully those who didn't pronounce the words right or the ones who's grammar was a little off... Then i'd see those same bullies go on and say "Who's making sundo to you naman?"...

'nuf said.

Btw, “Trespasses on the English LAnguage”… hmmm isn’t that an awkward phrase? I’ve never heard, read or used that term… it’s usually something like “to make a mockery of the English language” or “butcher the English language” and even to some extent “slight Engrish”…

[The_Child]

It is such a "noble" intent to cringe before the crimes committed against the english language. But do you not think that it is a more noble intent if the one who cringes upon these crimes, which apparently is being implied as something equal to that of ethnic cleansing, would be able to uplift the common man from his miserable state of education.
And while your at it, i guess it would be worthwhile to put the governator and the current American president on the stand in the International War Crimes tribunal for being the greatest criminals against the english language.

Not everybody is perfect with english(American or British?) and correction is indeed a laudable action, but being too bureaucratic with how english is said, especially in colloquial events, is rather elitist. Even my professor, who has a doctorate degree in English language teaching, admitted to us that she doesnt even make a fuss about grammar and mispronounciations outside the classroom.

In my opinion, this thoroughness in English, especially in colloquial scenes, is rather too harsh. And this harshness alienates people with humble albeit good ideas because they are intimidated to speak their mind with the reason that they would be severely criticize to the point of undermining one's confidence, for their use of english.

I myself am not perfect in english, and i would be more than appreciative if the error that i have incured in this statement are the very least corrected( i know there are many of them, the very least my idea is coherent, isnt it?).

p.s although it may seem that i have deviated from the topic, but in truth i have actually not. What i have given is a brief critique on the harsh thoroughness in speaking and writing english, which is in my humble opinion, still in lieu with the topic. For the grammar elitists, i am at thy mercy.

[rockart9]

It is such a "noble" intent to cringe before the crimes committed against the english language. But do you not think that it is a more noble intent if the one who cringes upon these crimes, which apparently is being implied as something equal to that of ethnic cleansing, would be able to uplift the common man from his miserable state of education.
And while your at it, i guess it would be worthwhile to put the governator and the current American president on the stand in the International War Crimes tribunal for being the greatest criminals against the english language. <so true
Not everybody is perfect with english(American or British?) and correction is indeed a laudable action, but being too bureaucratic with how english is said, especially in colloquial events, is rather elitist. Even my professor, who has a doctorate degree in English language teaching, admitted to us that she doesnt even make a fuss about grammar and mispronounciations outside the classroom.

In my opinion, this thoroughness in English, especially in colloquial scenes, is rather too harsh. And this harshness alienates people with humble albeit good ideas because they are intimidated to speak their mind with the reason that they would be severely criticize to the point of undermining one's confidence, for their use of english.

I myself am not perfect in english, and i would be more than appreciative if the error that i have incured in this statement are the very least corrected( i know there are many of them, the very least my idea is coherent, isnt it?).

p.s although it may seem that i have deviated from the topic, but in truth i have actually not. What i have given is a brief critique on the harsh thoroughness in speaking and writing english, which is in my humble opinion, still in lieu with the topic. For the grammar elitists, i am at thy mercy.

:mrgreen:

[diem]

@The_Child and rockart9, pabigyan niyo na si anniepetilla.

From the little of what I have heard of her, she is a writer thus a lover of language. I wouldn't consider her as a "grammar elitist" because if one looks carefully at her initial post, there are&#160; many grammatical errors present. I guess it is safe to say she was writing through her heated emotions.

I understand anniepetilla in the sense that I know that there is a better way of stating ideas in English or any language but people, often in haste or indifference, are not really careful with their words. It can be irritating but I am more concerned about the confusion these mistakes can bring into the process of communication.

For example, I feel that the popular thread in the 'Destinations' board, "What's the best whitesand beaches" will look better being read as "Where are the best white-sand beaches?"

Like rockart9, I am not really particular or vigilant against errors in grammar or language when these are spoken and heard. What is important is that the ideas being conveyed is understood easily, without requiring further clarification.

What I am really particular about is when these errors are written then read. If not rectified or edited, these cannot be easily dismissed. These remain to be viewed and viewed again. I cannot speak for everyone but I believe, that for a lot of people, these visible mistakes are eye sores.

When it comes to writing their thoughts, I feel people should really be careful with how they phrase their words in the language they're most fluent with, be it English, Filipino or the Bisayan dialect.

For me, it is a selfless, simple act of consideration and courtesy from one human being communicating with another.

[jootz]

ditto, The_Child. (i know the feeling. my family's that way. sige lang. ila pud na nga problema.)

[The_Child]

@diem

I agree that mistakes should be rectified but it shouldnt be said in such harshness.
I have many friends who are not very good with the english language but does that mean they are less human than those who are speaking the english language correctly? I think not.



When it comes to writing their thoughts, I feel people should really be careful with how they phrase their words in the language they're most fluent with, be it English, Filipino or the Bisayan dialect.
yes thats true, but in someway it alienates people and it undermines their confidence. If you dont call that "elitist" i dont know what else youd call it, "purists" perhaps?


while were at it, you fols should go to the religion and spirituality thread. Im sure ye'd find some interesting things connected to the title of this post.

[rockart9]

@The_Child and rockart9, pabigyan niyo na si anniepetilla.

From the little of what I have heard of her, she is a writer thus a lover of language. I wouldn't consider her as a "grammar elitist" because if one looks carefully at her initial post, there are many grammatical errors present.

and the fact that she completely overlooked the irony of the situation is beyond me.

[diem]

@rockart9, The_Child~ please take it easy. As I posted earlier, she was posting under the influence of her emotions. She was just venting out and yes, she may forgotten to be considerate. Let's do that for her

@diemI agree that mistakes should be rectified but it shouldnt be said in such harshness.
I have many friends who are not very good with the english language but does that mean they are less human than those who are speaking the english language correctly? I think not.

I don't think that anniepetilla meant to state that in her first post.

When it comes to writing their thoughts, I feel people should really be careful with how they phrase their words in the language they're most fluent with, be it English, Filipino or the Bisayan dialect.
yes thats true, but in someway it alienates people and it undermines their confidence. If you dont call that "elitist" i dont know what else youd call it, "purists" perhaps?

To be an "elistist" is to be someone who believes that s/he is superior by having/owning something that only a select few have. But English isn't really an elitist's language. Anybody can learn to speak and use the English language well. That is if anybody would really care to.

Not necessarily 'purists' because just consider that the English language itself is not necessarily a 'pure' language. You could call it even a 'mutt' language because it's really a mixed breed of several different classical languages. And it grows weirder and weirder everyday with new strange words, like "galumph", a made-up word of Lewis Carroll.

But personally I do not really much care for the titles 'elitist' or 'purist'... I find the title 'humanist' is better. Kung sa Filipino, 'maka-tao'...

[The_Child]

But English isn't really an elitist's language. Anybody can learn to speak and use the English language well. That is if anybody would really care to.

but when weilded properly it can. It is noteworthy to point out that the typical bourgeois uses English more than any other language. And in the advent of the creation of the "global village" English is being given the greatest emphasis.


I find the title 'humanist' is better. Kung sa Filipino, 'maka-tao
oh my god. if there is a god. maka-tao? a humanist you say? oh please, such a statement only insult HUmanists everywhere.
maka-tao huh? ok...what makes that any better?




and hey, if your tolerating her because she's venting, then also consider this post as a product of my own venting so probably you could also tolerate this and perhaps defend it too.